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I'll defend Peterman. Players fucked this up, not him
bananasnblondes
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Here's bizarro-world UW/Zona game scenario that had a greater probability than what actually happened.
-Pete chooses to down the ball 3 times.
-With somewhere between 7 and 15 seconds left, UW has to snap the ball to Durkee
-Zona sends all out rush on the punter
-Durkee bobbles a high snap, then gets assraped by 3 Zona players while a 4th runs the ball into the end zone
-Kim, Millen, and everyone else goes nuts because Pete didn't do the "sure thing" which was to run the ball a couple times with sure-handed Cooper instead of giving the other team a chance at getting the ball back, especially when we had snapping problems all day and a slow punter.
What college coach would have taken a knee 3 times and punted when they were up by 1 point? I've never seen that shit happen. What I have seen in nearly identical situations is exactly what Pete called. However, I've never seen a RB put the ball on the ground in that situation.
Since I'm a realist and an asshole and don't have any problem shitting on the players, here's what lost us this 1 point game.
1) A QB who fumbled the ball twice without being touched (cost us at a 10 point swing)
2) A longsnapper snap the ball past the holder on an extra point (cost us 1 point)
3) A kicker clank a long, but very makeable field goal (cost us 3 points)
4) A QB who called a snap with 7 seconds left when trying to run the clock out (cost us 3 points/ winning field goal)
and finally
5) A 6th year RB who, in a situation where all he has to do is hold the ball and go down, tries to make a move and coughs it up
In all cases, these are not coaching issues (unless you are coaching middle school), these are issues of players being boneheads and not doing the simplest parts of their jobs. I don't fault the coaches for not spending extra time with Masiel practicing his extra point snaps this week, or giving Cyler practice holding onto the ball while he runs with it, or making sure 28 year old Deontae Cooper knows that he should hold the ball with 2 hands in that situation.
Does this look like a particularly well-coached and disciplined team? No. The countless penalties fucked us up as well and Pete does deserve blame for that but he deserves a very small portion of the blame for this loss. The coaches put the players in position to win the game (500 yards of offense, good defense) and they found every way imaginable to fuck it up.
What I find hilarious in the outrage by Kim and his retards about "how dare Petersen defend his decision not to kneel down 3 times and punt? He's so arrogant!!!"
He's defending it because it was the right decision, a decision any other coach in America would have made,and it should have never been an issue.
-Pete chooses to down the ball 3 times.
-With somewhere between 7 and 15 seconds left, UW has to snap the ball to Durkee
-Zona sends all out rush on the punter
-Durkee bobbles a high snap, then gets assraped by 3 Zona players while a 4th runs the ball into the end zone
-Kim, Millen, and everyone else goes nuts because Pete didn't do the "sure thing" which was to run the ball a couple times with sure-handed Cooper instead of giving the other team a chance at getting the ball back, especially when we had snapping problems all day and a slow punter.
What college coach would have taken a knee 3 times and punted when they were up by 1 point? I've never seen that shit happen. What I have seen in nearly identical situations is exactly what Pete called. However, I've never seen a RB put the ball on the ground in that situation.
Since I'm a realist and an asshole and don't have any problem shitting on the players, here's what lost us this 1 point game.
1) A QB who fumbled the ball twice without being touched (cost us at a 10 point swing)
2) A longsnapper snap the ball past the holder on an extra point (cost us 1 point)
3) A kicker clank a long, but very makeable field goal (cost us 3 points)
4) A QB who called a snap with 7 seconds left when trying to run the clock out (cost us 3 points/ winning field goal)
and finally
5) A 6th year RB who, in a situation where all he has to do is hold the ball and go down, tries to make a move and coughs it up
In all cases, these are not coaching issues (unless you are coaching middle school), these are issues of players being boneheads and not doing the simplest parts of their jobs. I don't fault the coaches for not spending extra time with Masiel practicing his extra point snaps this week, or giving Cyler practice holding onto the ball while he runs with it, or making sure 28 year old Deontae Cooper knows that he should hold the ball with 2 hands in that situation.
Does this look like a particularly well-coached and disciplined team? No. The countless penalties fucked us up as well and Pete does deserve blame for that but he deserves a very small portion of the blame for this loss. The coaches put the players in position to win the game (500 yards of offense, good defense) and they found every way imaginable to fuck it up.
What I find hilarious in the outrage by Kim and his retards about "how dare Petersen defend his decision not to kneel down 3 times and punt? He's so arrogant!!!"
He's defending it because it was the right decision, a decision any other coach in America would have made,and it should have never been an issue.
Comments
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Upvoted for Durkee getting assraped by a bunch of Wildcats.
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The biggest / only issue I have with the game is not calling a time out at the end with 40 seconds left.
I've determined the game moves too fast for Miles. -
Up vote for 28 yr old Cooper
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I couldn't have put my own opinion in better words. I actually thought we looked really good for most of the game with the exception of the snapper and the qb. I hated the loss but came away thinking we are making progress as a program.
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brah ...Meek said:I couldn't have put my own opinion in better words. I actually thought we looked really good for most of the game with the exception of the snapper and the qb. I hated the loss but came away thinking we are making progress as a program.
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So with Sark its effed up coaching...with Peterman its the players?
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wait a minute...whether you run or take a knee 3 times, assuming they don't get a 1st down running it, using your frame, there would've been "7 to 15 seconds left". your durkee-has-to-punt scenario would've played out either way right? durkee punted 5 times on Saturday...were any of those poor snaps? sorry but if we had to punt with "7 to 15 seconds left", i'll take my chances but there's a scenario where you milk the clock a bit on 2nd and 3rd downs while taking a knee that would've prevented you from having to punt it in the first place.
look...i believe petersen is going to get us over the hump and i also understand the "fuck all things dawgman" mindset here but good god...to say pete didn't fuck up managing this situation is laughable on its face.
the coaches coached their best game of the year and progress is being make but you can't say "The coaches put the players in position to win the game" and just forget about the end of the game...
this was the text book definition of a team loss and your "either/or" blame frame is flawed. -
There are things the coaches could have done to further help win the game ...
There are things the players could have done to further help win the game ...
The coaches did a lot to put the team in a position to win ...
The players did a lot to put the team in a position to win ...
You win as a team ... You lose as a team.
Part of being a good team is picking each other up from mistakes ... consider this another lesson in the process. -
If you can't see the gigantic fallacy in this logic, there is literally no helping you.NYCdawg said:wait a minute...whether you run or take a knee 3 times, assuming they don't get a 1st down running it, using your frame, there would've been "7 to 15 seconds left". your durkee-has-to-punt scenario would've played out either way right?
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I see progress. Clean some stuff up and the dawgs pull it together against oregon state and win rather easily, say 69-21.
