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First Impressions of the 2014/15 UW Basketball team (Tequila style)

First off, it's st mary's. They are a very small school with very small players across the board. The talent gap is, and should be vast. Any who, on to first impressions of this team.

A few issues which have plagued us in the last few years have been scoring the basketball and shooting outside. One of the biggest concerns I see with this team is who will put the biscuit in the basket consistently. The only player I saw last night actually go at the basket was DJ, but nobody really looked like they could take their man to the hole at will(actually most seemed content to hang out at the 3pt line). This will be concerning as most of our backcourt can't shoot and we get bigger more athletic players to contest winters and dorsey. If we're not abusing St Mary's on the dribble, I can't wait to see the pac12.

Our post play looks at least marginally good for the first time in a few years. Granted, not much to be said about playing a band of midgets, but on the surface Upshaw is a very large man, good feet and a quick first step. He looked rusty and still stiff, but you can certainly see promise in his length and quickness. Kemp was equally impressive with his interest in the ball, going hard and being one of the few on the court who seemed to really give a shit. I've always liked Kemp and thought he had the chance to be a solid contributor in college so it's good to see him come out strong. Diex is one of the worst wastes of scholarship and height i've ever seen. The kid may be nice, but he should be playing soccer or chess. Long story short, we have talent on the front line for the first time in a while, but we're incredibly thin if we have injuries or upshaw goes upshaw.

JJ isn't really a guard, and he's not really a post, and quite frankly I'm still not impressed. Doog central has been selling JJ as the next great thing in the pac12 landscape since he went off against the children of the blind. He got up 3 shots in 20 minutes last night. I'll tell you, last night I didn't see anything that has changed my mind since he showed up. He doesn't look overly athletic on the floor, doesn't have a quick shot, but does get a few stat points based on his length(blocks and rebounds). To me, he's a poor mans justin holiday. Maybe he turns into more, but I have seen nothing that proves he's even close to holding justin's jock in the way he moves on the floor or can guard so many positions on defense. I don't see how he really kills it when matched up vs normal talent and size in the pac.

Guard play was what I expected overall. NWG is not a great shooter but will shoot a decent % on the year when it's all said and done b/c he picks his spots well and he's not a volume shooter. He didn't have his best game last night but nobody is worried about him at all. The NBA talk is still comical to me b/c he's nowhere fast enough to do many of the things which make him successful at the next level. Someone like TW was an example of how he could click at the next level, while NWG just seems like he would not even make a roster. He is going to be one hell of a legend in UW hoops if he stays 4 years though. The more AA plays, the more i'm amazed he plays. 3 years in and he still can't figure out how to take a jumpshot without falling over, backwards or something in between. He still struggles to make decisions on when to drive, when to kick, and when to shoot. He still thinks he can shoot 3's eventhough yet again last night most of his shots appeared more likely to miss the rim than to go in. This team will be better the minute one of dorsey, winters, or anyone else takes his starter minutes.

The newbies were encouraging. Winters jumper looked smooth, which is good b/c he's the only person who really appeared to have any threat to make a 3 all night. Dorsey had a few good moves and by god that kid is large and impressive in uniform. He is going to be very good. I was disappointed in DJ not looking "that" much better from last year. I expected him to make a huge jump and he seems just so so.

A few things to keep an eye on over the first few games.

We still can't shoot from deep - Another putrid effort from 3. A solid 23.8%. Even if Winters can hold things together similar to CJ from outside, not having any other threats to stretch the defense is going to become a major problem. We saw it last year, and right now i'm not over impressed with anything I saw last night from shooting perspective.

Penetration in the lane is still the white unicorn - Since ross and TW left, we haven't seen anyone be able to make a team respect their penetration ability. From what I saw last night the only guy who had the chance is DJ.

Defense. Defense. Defense. Romar used to be known for exciting high pressure defense which got in opposing players shorts. Last night isn't a good assessment as everyone on the floor was 6" shorter than our player. Of course we look imposing. I hope this team allows us to go back to that type of defense. Upshaw and kemp can get up and down the floor which gives us options.

We will see how a few of these pieces gel together in the coming weeks. I could see a rotation of NWG, Dorsey, JJ, Kemp, Upshaw, with Winters, Anderson and AA playing major minutes. If Dorsey isn't able to defend, i'd rather have anderson/winters on the floor and dorsey coming in off the bench.


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  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,419
    thank you for writing this.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    What's scary is that my interest level in UW hoops is such that I don't even know half of the players on the roster.

    I'll let it play out ... but my opinion of Romar as a coach isn't helped by this write-up.
  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499
    edited November 2014
    Yea I can't take too much away from that game because it looked like they were playing Stanwood High School. I will wait to see them play a team with height. I will say a few things...

    - Dorsey looks like a good pick up for Romar in an overall shitty class. Could end up being all pac in his later years.

    - Upshaw has a shitload of talent but looks like he has no idea what he is doing out there. I dont know how he didn't score at will on a team that seemed every player was a foot shorter than him

    - Winters looks like a pretty good find. Should be a solid role player.

    - Kemp looks improved but I will wait and watch him play a team with someone near his height to really judge.

    - Andrews and NWG should be a pretty good back court (not the best in the fucking conference like the FS guy calling the game said)

    Better than last year? Sure. Tournament team? No way.
  • QuornDawg
    QuornDawg Member Posts: 1,162
    I like Frank Calliendo's impressions better
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    Awfully cloudy for March
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    edited November 2014
    Gotta hand it to Beach, sounds like he nailed the Dorsey call.

    Surprised to hear so much optimism on Winters, he's not a guy I had any expectations for.
  • section8
    section8 Member Posts: 1,581
    I'll withhold any judgement until they actually win a few games in the tournament.
  • FreeChavez
    FreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223
    dnc said:

    Gotta hand it to Beach, sounds like he nailed the Dorsey call.

    Surprised to hear so much optimism on Winters, he's not a guy I had any expectations for.

    Yet I still can't get out of my head how beach railed on Levine. Everyone misses but that one always felt personal from him.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    edited November 2014

    dnc said:

    Gotta hand it to Beach, sounds like he nailed the Dorsey call.

    Surprised to hear so much optimism on Winters, he's not a guy I had any expectations for.

    Yet I still can't get out of my head how beach railed on Levine. Everyone misses but that one always felt personal from him.
    That must have mostly been during my first exile from DM.c. I remember Beach having some negative things to say about Levine when I came back but they didn't seem like anything more than classic WDWHA stuff. Not saying he didn't have a personal vendetta against the kid, I missed a lot poast purge.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    Glad to hear about Dorsey. I didn't think he would be very good based on what people who had watched him were saying.

    Jarreau might become useful role player, but he has done nothing to receive the hype he has gotten. He sucked as a freshman and was hurt early last season. Who gives a shit that he used to be a guard in high school?
  • H_D
    H_D Member Posts: 6,098
    edited November 2014
    FYI - "Biscuit in the Basket" is a hockey term, not basketball.

    Other than that, solid poonts.
  • FreeChavez
    FreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223

    Yea I can't take too much away from that game because it looked like they were playing Stanwood High School. I will wait to see them play a team with height. I will say a few things...

    - Dorsey looks like a good pick up for Romar in an overall shitty class. Could end up being all pac in his later years.

    - Upshaw has a shitload of talent but looks like he has no idea what he is doing out there. I dont know how he didn't score at will on a team that seemed every player was a foot shorter than him

    - Winters looks like a pretty good find. Should be a solid role player.

    - Kemp looks improved but I will wait and watch him play a team with someone near his height to really judge.

    - Andrews and NWG should be a pretty good back court (not the best in the fucking conference like the FS guy calling the game said)

    Better than last year? Sure. Tournament team? No way.

    Agree on what you can take away, but I also think watching a game vs Stanwood when we can't get in the key shows some serious warning signs.

    Nothing about this team looks tournament to me right now.
  • FreeChavez
    FreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223
    edited November 2014
    H_D said:

    FYI - "Biscuit in the Basket" is a hockey term, not basketball.

    Other than that, solid poonts.

    my innner canuck got excited. well poonted eh?
  • SevenEleven
    SevenEleven Member Posts: 318
    9-9. Who gives a shit
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    JJ has a skill set that you often don't see with a player at his size ... he COULD be a major mismatch problem for teams if he's fully healthy and has the bulk/strength to be able to play with his height.

    You can't underestimate how much of a problem it is for defenses to have to defend bigs that can not only stretch the court, but also be quality passers.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    edited November 2014

    Glad to hear about Dorsey. I didn't think he would be very good based on what people who had watched him were saying.

    Jarreau might become useful role player, but he has done nothing to receive the hype he has gotten. He sucked as a freshman and was hurt early last season. Who gives a shit that he used to be a guard in high school?

    But spado told me Jarreau was Kevin Durant 2.0, and that guy is the best hoops scout anywhere.
  • FreeChavez
    FreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223
    Tequilla said:

    JJ has a skill set that you often don't see with a player at his size ... he COULD be a major mismatch problem for teams if he's fully healthy and has the bulk/strength to be able to play with his height.

    You can't underestimate how much of a problem it is for defenses to have to defend bigs that can not only stretch the court, but also be quality passers.

    I don't think you'll find a person who knows dick about bball who would argue that JJ could create matchup problems. The entire issue is that he hasn't yet shown the ability to create the matchup problems. He hasn't shown how athletic he is on any level. He hasn't shown to be some great shooter. Again, he could very easily be a nightmare to guard if he improves, but I still don't see it happening yet. His knee is going to be an issue this year. So if he starts to realize some of that potential I would wager it's closer to pac12 play this year or next season.

    I sure as hell hope he somehow comes into the form many want....cough cough....KD 2.0. BUT, the group relying on him as if he will make this team unreal overnight haven't seen the rest of the things which make a team win. IE, playing defense, making shots, and getting to the line.
  • FreeChavez
    FreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Gotta hand it to Beach, sounds like he nailed the Dorsey call.

    Surprised to hear so much optimism on Winters, he's not a guy I had any expectations for.

    Yet I still can't get out of my head how beach railed on Levine. Everyone misses but that one always felt personal from him.
    That must have mostly been during my first exile from DM.c. I remember Beach having some negative things to say about Levine when I came back but they didn't seem like anything more than classic WDWHA stuff. Not saying he didn't have a personal vendetta against the kid, I missed a lot poast purge.
    I've seen AB do a lot of critique of players and he gets many right, and some wrong just like anyone trying to predict a 17 yr old. He just seemed incredibly jaded against Zach and kept going even through his whole year at UCLA. It just seemed oddly not AB for player eval. It just seemed personal. Maybe I read it wrong, b/c usually he's not like that. Just was odd.
  • FreeChavez
    FreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223

    You fuckers don't get it. How can we expect Romar to field a competitive team when his contract only runs for 6 more years? Time to sign a lifetime contract or we're screwed.

    The 7th grader won't commit if romar isn't signed all the way through his senior year
  • SevenEleven
    SevenEleven Member Posts: 318

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Gotta hand it to Beach, sounds like he nailed the Dorsey call.

    Surprised to hear so much optimism on Winters, he's not a guy I had any expectations for.

    Yet I still can't get out of my head how beach railed on Levine. Everyone misses but that one always felt personal from him.
    That must have mostly been during my first exile from DM.c. I remember Beach having some negative things to say about Levine when I came back but they didn't seem like anything more than classic WDWHA stuff. Not saying he didn't have a personal vendetta against the kid, I missed a lot poast purge.
    I've seen AB do a lot of critique of players and he gets many right, and some wrong just like anyone trying to predict a 17 yr old. He just seemed incredibly jaded against Zach and kept going even through his whole year at UCLA. It just seemed oddly not AB for player eval. It just seemed personal. Maybe I read it wrong, b/c usually he's not like that. Just was odd.
    Beach is a fucking moron and is usually dead wrong about most things- "UW will be the best defensive team in the Pac-12"
  • FreeChavez
    FreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Gotta hand it to Beach, sounds like he nailed the Dorsey call.

    Surprised to hear so much optimism on Winters, he's not a guy I had any expectations for.

    Yet I still can't get out of my head how beach railed on Levine. Everyone misses but that one always felt personal from him.
    That must have mostly been during my first exile from DM.c. I remember Beach having some negative things to say about Levine when I came back but they didn't seem like anything more than classic WDWHA stuff. Not saying he didn't have a personal vendetta against the kid, I missed a lot poast purge.
    I've seen AB do a lot of critique of players and he gets many right, and some wrong just like anyone trying to predict a 17 yr old. He just seemed incredibly jaded against Zach and kept going even through his whole year at UCLA. It just seemed oddly not AB for player eval. It just seemed personal. Maybe I read it wrong, b/c usually he's not like that. Just was odd.
    Beach is a fucking moron and is usually dead wrong about most things- "UW will be the best defensive team in the Pac-12"
    I did find it funny towards the end of my time over there the best poster who gave inside info on recruits and players was Jason Mccleary. He was inside the inner circle and gave solid player evals(unbiased). It was funny that he stopped pooosting towards the end b/c he got tired of bickering with kim and AB who knew about 1/4th as much as he did. If you want some good info on local hoops scene make sure you check jason out at leftcoastrecruiting. He seems like a really good guy
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Gotta hand it to Beach, sounds like he nailed the Dorsey call.

    Surprised to hear so much optimism on Winters, he's not a guy I had any expectations for.

    Yet I still can't get out of my head how beach railed on Levine. Everyone misses but that one always felt personal from him.
    That must have mostly been during my first exile from DM.c. I remember Beach having some negative things to say about Levine when I came back but they didn't seem like anything more than classic WDWHA stuff. Not saying he didn't have a personal vendetta against the kid, I missed a lot poast purge.
    I've seen AB do a lot of critique of players and he gets many right, and some wrong just like anyone trying to predict a 17 yr old. He just seemed incredibly jaded against Zach and kept going even through his whole year at UCLA. It just seemed oddly not AB for player eval. It just seemed personal. Maybe I read it wrong, b/c usually he's not like that. Just was odd.
    Beach is a fucking moron and is usually dead wrong about most things- "UW will be the best defensive team in the Pac-12"
    I did find it funny towards the end of my time over there the best poster who gave inside info on recruits and players was Jason Mccleary. He was inside the inner circle and gave solid player evals(unbiased). It was funny that he stopped pooosting towards the end b/c he got tired of bickering with kim and AB who knew about 1/4th as much as he did. If you want some good info on local hoops scene make sure you check jason out at leftcoastrecruiting. He seems like a really good guy
    Jason had the inside info, but he's incredibly biased to kids from the Northwest. He overrates them.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    Anybody that thinks that JJ is KD 2.0 is Jay Cutler FS.

    Beach's fundamental problem is that IMO he doesn't really understand the game. He sees the flash and individual skill but doesn't see how that fits into a team dynamic and how the best players are ones that make those around them better.

    Shocking that KJV and the management gave shit to a valuable poster who provided good information ... sounds like a lot of twisting to me.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    the team has some solid role players, but just lacks NBA caliber talent. Kemp is a nice offensive piece, but he's shit defensively. NWG is a good distributor, but isn't a #1 scoring option. Perhaps Dorsey can be that, but he's unproven
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    NWG could be a #1 scoring option. He was pretty good last year and looks like a lead guard to me. After that, there really aren't any top caliber players.

    The idea of Jarreau is better than he actually is. He has never looked like he had a great handle or was a great passer despite all the talk of him being highly skilled. I heard he has bulked up, but as a freshman he is a skinny, soft big guy with a decent jumper who sucks finishing around the basket. Then last year he had one good game against Central and tore his ACL. At this point, I would expect to be disappointed.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    NWG could be a #1 scoring option. He was pretty good last year and looks like a lead guard to me. After that, there really aren't any top caliber players.

    The idea of Jarreau is better than he actually is. He has never looked like he had a great handle or was a great passer despite all the talk of him being highly skilled. I heard he has bulked up, but as a freshman he is a skinny, soft big guy with a decent jumper who sucks finishing around the basket. Then last year he had one good game against Central and tore his ACL. At this point, I would expect to be disappointed.

    Disagree.

    No outside shot, and lacks elite level athleticism to create.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123

    NWG could be a #1 scoring option. He was pretty good last year and looks like a lead guard to me. After that, there really aren't any top caliber players.

    The idea of Jarreau is better than he actually is. He has never looked like he had a great handle or was a great passer despite all the talk of him being highly skilled. I heard he has bulked up, but as a freshman he is a skinny, soft big guy with a decent jumper who sucks finishing around the basket. Then last year he had one good game against Central and tore his ACL. At this point, I would expect to be disappointed.

    Disagree.

    No outside shot, and lacks elite level athleticism to create.
    He doesn't have a great shot, but 36% from 3 isn't bad. He has a nice floater too. There have been plenty of really good guards in college basketball that were not elite athletes. I think he's really good. The rest of the team mostly sucks.
  • FreeChavez
    FreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223

    NWG could be a #1 scoring option. He was pretty good last year and looks like a lead guard to me. After that, there really aren't any top caliber players.

    The idea of Jarreau is better than he actually is. He has never looked like he had a great handle or was a great passer despite all the talk of him being highly skilled. I heard he has bulked up, but as a freshman he is a skinny, soft big guy with a decent jumper who sucks finishing around the basket. Then last year he had one good game against Central and tore his ACL. At this point, I would expect to be disappointed.

    Disagree.

    No outside shot, and lacks elite level athleticism to create.
    In the NBA i would agree with you, but not in college. You do not need an elite level of athleticism to create. You need brains, knowing what you're good at, and how to pick your spots. NWG is smart as hell with the basketball and knows how to use his body and pick his spots. What's interesting about a guy like NWG is that he will find a way to score, yet people with immense athletic talent just can't seem to find a way. He will average around 10-14ppg this year, with 6 or 7 assists. He's not flashy, but he gets the job done

    CJ wilcox was one of the most athletic guys we've seen in years and the guy was baring on scared to go inside the key.