Wroten
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That pass was ridiculous
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I was so glad when him and Ross left. Both played selfish and the team got infinitely better playing TEAM basketball.
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#fireromarCuntWaffle said:I was so glad when him and Ross left. Both played selfish and the team got infinitely better playing TEAM basketball.
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I've always been a big Wroten fan. He's still flawed, but he will play in the NBA for a long time. The team he was on should have been a lot better and was probably Romar's worst coaching job.
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It really is a disgrace to not make the tourney with 2 first rounders.RoadDawg55 said:I've always been a big Wroten fan. He's still flawed, but he will play in the NBA for a long time. The team he was on should have been a lot better and was probably Romar's worst coaching job.
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He won the conference title.RoadDawg55 said:I've always been a big Wroten fan. He's still flawed, but he will play in the NBA for a long time. The team he was on should have been a lot better and was probably Romar's worst coaching job.
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He needed to beat an unranked Oregon State and pop off and couldn't do it. Fucking terrible.ThomasFremont said:
He won the conference title.RoadDawg55 said:I've always been a big Wroten fan. He's still flawed, but he will play in the NBA for a long time. The team he was on should have been a lot better and was probably Romar's worst coaching job.
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Romar only made it to the 2nd round with a team compiled of:
Justin Holiday (Warriors)
IT (Suns)
Terrence Ross (Raptors)
CJ Wilcox (Clippers)
4 current NBA players.
The year before he could only make it to the sweeet 16 with Pondexter minus Ross/Wilcox. Pondexter as a senior though was better than Ross + Wilcox their 1st seasons.
Then of course he didn't even make the tournament with three 1st rounders in Wroten, Ross, and Wilcox. Romar is decent recruiter (although the past couple years have been dreck) and a pretty terrible gameday coach who every once in awhile will pull out a good win out of his ass. -
I could counter with the fact that his best run happened with less talent and his best player often injured, but I don't really care.CuntWaffle said:Romar only made it to the 2nd round with a team compiled of:
Justin Holiday (Warriors)
IT (Suns)
Terrence Ross (Raptors)
CJ Wilcox (Clippers)
4 current NBA players.
The year before he could only make it to the sweeet 16 with Pondexter minus Ross/Wilcox. Pondexter as a senior though was better than Ross + Wilcox their 1st seasons.
Then of course he didn't even make the tournament with three 1st rounders in Wroten, Ross, and Wilcox. Romar is decent recruiter (although the past couple years have been dreck) and a pretty terrible gameday coach who every once in awhile will pull out a good win out of his ass. -
But how is Romar a bad coach?
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The Jesus stuff is the only thing that comes to mind.TierbsHsotBoobs said:But how is Romar a bad coach?
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Usually yes.Doogles said:
It really is a disgrace to not make the tourney with 2 first rounders.RoadDawg55 said:I've always been a big Wroten fan. He's still flawed, but he will play in the NBA for a long time. The team he was on should have been a lot better and was probably Romar's worst coaching job.
But Tony Wroten was a fucking terrible basketball player as a freshman. The biggest issue with that season is Romar had no guard depth so he had no choice but play Wroten and couldn't bench him even after the 23rd time he decided to completely not play defense or fire a no look pass into the third row. I wasn't one who said "we'll be better since Wroten is leaving" since he assuredly would have matured some as a sophomore and that team would have had more backcourt depth to motivate Wroten to gaf if he wanted to play, but he was a really, really bad basketball player as a frosh.
Winning the conference with that dreck was a pretty decent accomplishment as far as Romar's career is concerned.
Romar's had much worse coaching jobs than that. -
Sounds like you're saying the answer to Romar's most terriblest coaching jobs is abundance.dnc said:
Usually yes.Doogles said:
It really is a disgrace to not make the tourney with 2 first rounders.RoadDawg55 said:I've always been a big Wroten fan. He's still flawed, but he will play in the NBA for a long time. The team he was on should have been a lot better and was probably Romar's worst coaching job.
But Tony Wroten was a fucking terrible basketball player as a freshman. The biggest issue with that season is Romar had no guard depth so he had no choice but play Wroten and couldn't bench him even after the 23rd time he decided to completely not play defense or fire a no look pass into the third row. I wasn't one who said "we'll be better since Wroten is leaving" since he assuredly would have matured some as a sophomore and that team would have had more backcourt depth to motivate Wroten to gaf if he wanted to play, but he was a really, really bad basketball player as a frosh.
Winning the conference with that dreck was a pretty decent accomplishment as far as Romar's career is concerned.
Romar's had much worse coaching jobs than that. -
And yet Wroten made first team Pac 12. He wasn't bad at all. I've never agreed with anyone who said that. There were plenty of games where he was the best player on the floor.dnc said:
Usually yes.Doogles said:
It really is a disgrace to not make the tourney with 2 first rounders.RoadDawg55 said:I've always been a big Wroten fan. He's still flawed, but he will play in the NBA for a long time. The team he was on should have been a lot better and was probably Romar's worst coaching job.
But Tony Wroten was a fucking terrible basketball player as a freshman. The biggest issue with that season is Romar had no guard depth so he had no choice but play Wroten and couldn't bench him even after the 23rd time he decided to completely not play defense or fire a no look pass into the third row. I wasn't one who said "we'll be better since Wroten is leaving" since he assuredly would have matured some as a sophomore and that team would have had more backcourt depth to motivate Wroten to gaf if he wanted to play, but he was a really, really bad basketball player as a frosh.
Winning the conference with that dreck was a pretty decent accomplishment as far as Romar's career is concerned.
Romar's had much worse coaching jobs than that. -
If i felt like re-opening this whole can of worms I would really get into the weeds on this. Instead i'll say let's agree to disagree and also state that TW is a very talented player who utilized about 1/5th of his actual defensive capability. His stats were incredibly inflated based on being a selfish player(specifically on defense). When you state he was all-pac 12, this is akin to saying someone is gold glove. It's more flash than actual people who are watching the games. TW scored, usually at full disregard for his team or winning the game, which gave him stats to be all-pac.RoadDawg55 said:
And yet Wroten made first team Pac 12. He wasn't bad at all. I've never agreed with anyone who said that. There were plenty of games where he was the best player on the floor.dnc said:
Usually yes.Doogles said:
It really is a disgrace to not make the tourney with 2 first rounders.RoadDawg55 said:I've always been a big Wroten fan. He's still flawed, but he will play in the NBA for a long time. The team he was on should have been a lot better and was probably Romar's worst coaching job.
But Tony Wroten was a fucking terrible basketball player as a freshman. The biggest issue with that season is Romar had no guard depth so he had no choice but play Wroten and couldn't bench him even after the 23rd time he decided to completely not play defense or fire a no look pass into the third row. I wasn't one who said "we'll be better since Wroten is leaving" since he assuredly would have matured some as a sophomore and that team would have had more backcourt depth to motivate Wroten to gaf if he wanted to play, but he was a really, really bad basketball player as a frosh.
Winning the conference with that dreck was a pretty decent accomplishment as far as Romar's career is concerned.
Romar's had much worse coaching jobs than that.
Overall, he wasn't bad, he wasn't great. He could have been unreal and chose a different path.
Still hope he puts it all together b/c he is one heck of a player when he wants to be. Just needed more time to mature and maybe getting kicked around the d-league a bit. -
"You new here?" potd.RoadDawg55 said:
And yet Wroten made first team Pac 12. He wasn't bad at all. I've never agreed with anyone who said that. There were plenty of games where he was the best player on the floor.dnc said:
Usually yes.Doogles said:
It really is a disgrace to not make the tourney with 2 first rounders.RoadDawg55 said:I've always been a big Wroten fan. He's still flawed, but he will play in the NBA for a long time. The team he was on should have been a lot better and was probably Romar's worst coaching job.
But Tony Wroten was a fucking terrible basketball player as a freshman. The biggest issue with that season is Romar had no guard depth so he had no choice but play Wroten and couldn't bench him even after the 23rd time he decided to completely not play defense or fire a no look pass into the third row. I wasn't one who said "we'll be better since Wroten is leaving" since he assuredly would have matured some as a sophomore and that team would have had more backcourt depth to motivate Wroten to gaf if he wanted to play, but he was a really, really bad basketball player as a frosh.
Winning the conference with that dreck was a pretty decent accomplishment as far as Romar's career is concerned.
Romar's had much worse coaching jobs than that.
Ty Willingham was coach of the year.
Subjective awards don't mean shit.
Yadda yadda yadda.
Yes there were games he was the best player on the court (Duke in particular). There were as many or more where he was the worst. -
He was never the worst. He was really good for a freshman. He was All PAC 12 because he was one of the best players in the conference.dnc said:
"You new here?" potd.RoadDawg55 said:
And yet Wroten made first team Pac 12. He wasn't bad at all. I've never agreed with anyone who said that. There were plenty of games where he was the best player on the floor.dnc said:
Usually yes.Doogles said:
It really is a disgrace to not make the tourney with 2 first rounders.RoadDawg55 said:I've always been a big Wroten fan. He's still flawed, but he will play in the NBA for a long time. The team he was on should have been a lot better and was probably Romar's worst coaching job.
But Tony Wroten was a fucking terrible basketball player as a freshman. The biggest issue with that season is Romar had no guard depth so he had no choice but play Wroten and couldn't bench him even after the 23rd time he decided to completely not play defense or fire a no look pass into the third row. I wasn't one who said "we'll be better since Wroten is leaving" since he assuredly would have matured some as a sophomore and that team would have had more backcourt depth to motivate Wroten to gaf if he wanted to play, but he was a really, really bad basketball player as a frosh.
Winning the conference with that dreck was a pretty decent accomplishment as far as Romar's career is concerned.
Romar's had much worse coaching jobs than that.
Ty Willingham was coach of the year.
Subjective awards don't mean shit.
Yadda yadda yadda.
Yes there were games he was the best player on the court (Duke in particular). There were as many or more where he was the worst. -
But he had 4 steals brahdnc said:
"You new here?" potd.RoadDawg55 said:
And yet Wroten made first team Pac 12. He wasn't bad at all. I've never agreed with anyone who said that. There were plenty of games where he was the best player on the floor.dnc said:
Usually yes.Doogles said:
It really is a disgrace to not make the tourney with 2 first rounders.RoadDawg55 said:I've always been a big Wroten fan. He's still flawed, but he will play in the NBA for a long time. The team he was on should have been a lot better and was probably Romar's worst coaching job.
But Tony Wroten was a fucking terrible basketball player as a freshman. The biggest issue with that season is Romar had no guard depth so he had no choice but play Wroten and couldn't bench him even after the 23rd time he decided to completely not play defense or fire a no look pass into the third row. I wasn't one who said "we'll be better since Wroten is leaving" since he assuredly would have matured some as a sophomore and that team would have had more backcourt depth to motivate Wroten to gaf if he wanted to play, but he was a really, really bad basketball player as a frosh.
Winning the conference with that dreck was a pretty decent accomplishment as far as Romar's career is concerned.
Romar's had much worse coaching jobs than that.
Ty Willingham was coach of the year.
Subjective awards don't mean shit.
Yadda yadda yadda.
Yes there were games he was the best player on the court (Duke in particular). There were as many or more where he was the worst. -
There were games he absolutely did not give a fuck, and in those games his utter disinterest on one end combined with his inability to make a free throw on the other made him really bad.RoadDawg55 said:
He was never the worst. He was really good for a freshman. He was All PAC 12 because he was one of the best players in the conference.dnc said:
"You new here?" potd.RoadDawg55 said:
And yet Wroten made first team Pac 12. He wasn't bad at all. I've never agreed with anyone who said that. There were plenty of games where he was the best player on the floor.dnc said:
Usually yes.Doogles said:
It really is a disgrace to not make the tourney with 2 first rounders.RoadDawg55 said:I've always been a big Wroten fan. He's still flawed, but he will play in the NBA for a long time. The team he was on should have been a lot better and was probably Romar's worst coaching job.
But Tony Wroten was a fucking terrible basketball player as a freshman. The biggest issue with that season is Romar had no guard depth so he had no choice but play Wroten and couldn't bench him even after the 23rd time he decided to completely not play defense or fire a no look pass into the third row. I wasn't one who said "we'll be better since Wroten is leaving" since he assuredly would have matured some as a sophomore and that team would have had more backcourt depth to motivate Wroten to gaf if he wanted to play, but he was a really, really bad basketball player as a frosh.
Winning the conference with that dreck was a pretty decent accomplishment as far as Romar's career is concerned.
Romar's had much worse coaching jobs than that.
Ty Willingham was coach of the year.
Subjective awards don't mean shit.
Yadda yadda yadda.
Yes there were games he was the best player on the court (Duke in particular). There were as many or more where he was the worst. -
That's also not a huge bar to set when the winner of the pac12 didn't make the tourneyRoadDawg55 said:
He was never the worst. He was really good for a freshman. He was All PAC 12 because he was one of the best players in the conference.dnc said:
"You new here?" potd.RoadDawg55 said:
And yet Wroten made first team Pac 12. He wasn't bad at all. I've never agreed with anyone who said that. There were plenty of games where he was the best player on the floor.dnc said:
Usually yes.Doogles said:
It really is a disgrace to not make the tourney with 2 first rounders.RoadDawg55 said:I've always been a big Wroten fan. He's still flawed, but he will play in the NBA for a long time. The team he was on should have been a lot better and was probably Romar's worst coaching job.
But Tony Wroten was a fucking terrible basketball player as a freshman. The biggest issue with that season is Romar had no guard depth so he had no choice but play Wroten and couldn't bench him even after the 23rd time he decided to completely not play defense or fire a no look pass into the third row. I wasn't one who said "we'll be better since Wroten is leaving" since he assuredly would have matured some as a sophomore and that team would have had more backcourt depth to motivate Wroten to gaf if he wanted to play, but he was a really, really bad basketball player as a frosh.
Winning the conference with that dreck was a pretty decent accomplishment as far as Romar's career is concerned.
Romar's had much worse coaching jobs than that.
Ty Willingham was coach of the year.
Subjective awards don't mean shit.
Yadda yadda yadda.
Yes there were games he was the best player on the court (Duke in particular). There were as many or more where he was the worst. -
I'd continue to follow this thread, but I suddenly discovers I was out of fucks to give.
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Wroten was a freshman. Only IT was as good their freshman year, and IT was on a much better team. He was better than Gaddy, Wilcox, and even Ross their freshman years. Ross never played defense either. He didn't go for lazy steals as often as Wroten, but he was overrated. He was passive and everything was either a dunk or three. He has/had a limited game off the dribble.
Everyone gets stuck on Wroten's flaws. He was out of control sometimes, played lazy defense, and couldn't shoot. Other than the shooting, it's as much an indictment on Romar than Wroten. He was good. Everyone just sees his talent and says he should have been better. That isn't the point. It's stupid. It's really FS to say he was a terrible basketball player as a freshman. The bigger issue with that team was having no bigs who could score. Somehow Wroten gets most the blame. -
I will remember him fondly for going into McKale and leading us to an improbable victory with amazing play after amazing play including a huge block down the stretch.
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You'll get no argument from me or DNC on romar was FS for his mgt of that years team. He's not a terrible player overall, and I don't htink i've found one person to say as such. He was a terrible defender(almost always), a unbelievably good true scorer, a gifted passer who regularly didn't know when to make the unreal pass and when to be normal, and one of the worst shooters i've seen in college bball(for someone with that amount of athletic skill.RoadDawg55 said:Wroten was a freshman. Only IT was as good their freshman year, and IT was on a much better team. He was better than Gaddy, Wilcox, and even Ross their freshman years. Ross never played defense either. He didn't go for lazy steals as often as Wroten, but he was overrated. He was passive and everything was either a dunk or three. He has/had a limited game off the dribble.
Everyone gets stuck on Wroten's flaws. He was out of control sometimes, played lazy defense, and couldn't shoot. Other than the shooting, it's as much an indictment on Romar than Wroten. He was good. Everyone just sees his talent and says he should have been better. That isn't the point. It's stupid. It's really FS to say he was a terrible basketball player as a freshman. The bigger issue with that team was having no bigs who could score. Somehow Wroten gets most the blame.
Nobody is arguing against his freshman resume' vs other freshman. He was obviously on a different level. That being said, so are many 5* guys. He should have been above the level of gaddy, wilcox and ross b/c he had more pure talent.
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It seemed pretty obvious to me Wroten had the mindset of one-and-done which led to the selfish play. It's hard to counter that as a coach but Romar still gets some of the blame.
