Another View of John Ross III
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Percy Harvin is a natural receiver. Ask anyone other than Bevell. He can run all the routes and he will go up and get the ball.purpledoogfan said:DeSean Jackson says fuck off. NFL.com lists him at 5'10" 178lbs http://www.nfl.com/player/deseanjackson/1581/profile
John Ross is listed at 5'11" 179lbs on gohuskies.com.
A more accurate analogy than the basketball player might be Ross is more like Percy Harvin and Devin Hester. Crazy fast, explosive, and dangerous return men but not natural WR's. There is a lot more that goes into being a good WR than just speed. Route running, hands, and ability to get open are much more important. TBH I have no idea how good of a WR Ross is. The only thing I know is that he's the fastest player on the field.
All that being said, I still believe the biggest issue working against Ross right now is Cyler Miles. Smith can call all the plays trying to get Ross the ball but if Miles doesn't pull the trigger and throw the ball there's nothing he can do. I've seen WR's running wide open in every game so far that Miles has neglected to throw the ball to. -
Harvin is a running backFremontTroll said:
Percy Harvin is a natural receiver. Ask anyone other than Bevell. He can run all the routes and he will go up and get the ball.purpledoogfan said:DeSean Jackson says fuck off. NFL.com lists him at 5'10" 178lbs http://www.nfl.com/player/deseanjackson/1581/profile
John Ross is listed at 5'11" 179lbs on gohuskies.com.
A more accurate analogy than the basketball player might be Ross is more like Percy Harvin and Devin Hester. Crazy fast, explosive, and dangerous return men but not natural WR's. There is a lot more that goes into being a good WR than just speed. Route running, hands, and ability to get open are much more important. TBH I have no idea how good of a WR Ross is. The only thing I know is that he's the fastest player on the field.
All that being said, I still believe the biggest issue working against Ross right now is Cyler Miles. Smith can call all the plays trying to get Ross the ball but if Miles doesn't pull the trigger and throw the ball there's nothing he can do. I've seen WR's running wide open in every game so far that Miles has neglected to throw the ball to. -
"but at this point the guy can't get open"
I stopped reading here. Except that I peaked a bit beyond and saw that you lay some of the blame on QBs who can't get him the ball. agreed with that.
He can get open. He's the best player on the team not nick-named Shaq.
Percy Harvin and Devin Hester are not good comparisons with one another, not that it matters, but of the two I'd say Harvin is more like Ross than Hester. Frankly, it's a bit early for that kind of talk. As to Hester and Harvin:
Hester is arguably the greatest return man in cfb and nfl history. Percy is merely good at it.
Hester is an average receiver - Harvin is pretty damn good at it. Keep in mind, there are different kinds of receivers.
As to Hester, there's a reason they could never figure out what to do with him at Miami besides return kicks and punts. It would drive us all crazy, because you'd see this amazing mother fucker in the open field and think, "why in the fuck can't he do that from the LOS from SOME position ... ANY position?" but he could never find his spot, and they tried everything.
Then again, that was the same cast of retard coaches who couldn't figure out that Sam Shields was a corner. It took the Green Bay Packers one, ONE, training camp to see they had a future pro bowler on their hands, and the kid was playing receiver for Miami the year before. Fuck.
So maybe it was coaching.
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Ross? Not even close. He's not in the top five.creepycoug said:He's the best player on the team not nick-named Shaq.
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You are forgetting that the Creep is a pretend Lawyer and pretend Husky fan.TTJ said:
Ross? Not even close. He's not in the top five.creepycoug said:He's the best player on the team not nick-named Shaq.
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Did you watch Harvin at Florida? Here are his stats. Rushing: 1852 yards, 19 TD, Receiving: 1929, 13 TD. What natural receiver has more TD's and almost equal totals in yardage?FremontTroll said:
Percy Harvin is a natural receiver. Ask anyone other than Bevell. He can run all the routes and he will go up and get the ball.purpledoogfan said:DeSean Jackson says fuck off. NFL.com lists him at 5'10" 178lbs http://www.nfl.com/player/deseanjackson/1581/profile
John Ross is listed at 5'11" 179lbs on gohuskies.com.
A more accurate analogy than the basketball player might be Ross is more like Percy Harvin and Devin Hester. Crazy fast, explosive, and dangerous return men but not natural WR's. There is a lot more that goes into being a good WR than just speed. Route running, hands, and ability to get open are much more important. TBH I have no idea how good of a WR Ross is. The only thing I know is that he's the fastest player on the field.
All that being said, I still believe the biggest issue working against Ross right now is Cyler Miles. Smith can call all the plays trying to get Ross the ball but if Miles doesn't pull the trigger and throw the ball there's nothing he can do. I've seen WR's running wide open in every game so far that Miles has neglected to throw the ball to. -
He's close. Two weeks ago he would have made the list.TTJ said:
Ross? Not even close. He's not in the top five.creepycoug said:He's the best player on the team not nick-named Shaq.
1. Shaq
2. Kikaha
3. Shelton
4. Peters
5-10 in some order: A. Hudson, Baker, Timu, Ross, Hatchie? -
Did you watch him in Minnesota or last week in New York?RoadDawg55 said:
Did you watch Harvin at Florida? Here are his stats. Rushing: 1852 yards, 19 TD, Receiving: 1929, 13 TD. What natural receiver has more TD's and almost equal totals in yardage?FremontTroll said:
Percy Harvin is a natural receiver. Ask anyone other than Bevell. He can run all the routes and he will go up and get the ball.purpledoogfan said:DeSean Jackson says fuck off. NFL.com lists him at 5'10" 178lbs http://www.nfl.com/player/deseanjackson/1581/profile
John Ross is listed at 5'11" 179lbs on gohuskies.com.
A more accurate analogy than the basketball player might be Ross is more like Percy Harvin and Devin Hester. Crazy fast, explosive, and dangerous return men but not natural WR's. There is a lot more that goes into being a good WR than just speed. Route running, hands, and ability to get open are much more important. TBH I have no idea how good of a WR Ross is. The only thing I know is that he's the fastest player on the field.
All that being said, I still believe the biggest issue working against Ross right now is Cyler Miles. Smith can call all the plays trying to get Ross the ball but if Miles doesn't pull the trigger and throw the ball there's nothing he can do. I've seen WR's running wide open in every game so far that Miles has neglected to throw the ball to.
Just because Harvin is crazy fast and was crazy effective in Urban Meyers spread offense doesn't mean he can't also succeed in a more traditional WR role. Don't put him in a box with the Devin Hester and Cordarelle Patterson types.
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I didn't watch him last week because I don't typically watch 1-7 football teams play. Percy Harvin has been a slot receiver his whole career. In Minnesota, Bevell was his OC and he ran a decent amount. He probably would have ran more if they didn't have Adrian Peterson. Harvin's yards per catch has always been fairly low because he gets the ball on short passes and uses his running ability. He got tired of that and the Jets say they will use him more as an outside receiver. Still, he's ran the ball 5 times in his first two games for them. Traditional WR's don't run it more than a couple of times per season. I don't remember Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, or TO getting any carries outside of a token reverse once or twice.FremontTroll said:
Did you watch him in Minnesota or last week in New York?RoadDawg55 said:
Did you watch Harvin at Florida? Here are his stats. Rushing: 1852 yards, 19 TD, Receiving: 1929, 13 TD. What natural receiver has more TD's and almost equal totals in yardage?FremontTroll said:
Percy Harvin is a natural receiver. Ask anyone other than Bevell. He can run all the routes and he will go up and get the ball.purpledoogfan said:DeSean Jackson says fuck off. NFL.com lists him at 5'10" 178lbs http://www.nfl.com/player/deseanjackson/1581/profile
John Ross is listed at 5'11" 179lbs on gohuskies.com.
A more accurate analogy than the basketball player might be Ross is more like Percy Harvin and Devin Hester. Crazy fast, explosive, and dangerous return men but not natural WR's. There is a lot more that goes into being a good WR than just speed. Route running, hands, and ability to get open are much more important. TBH I have no idea how good of a WR Ross is. The only thing I know is that he's the fastest player on the field.
All that being said, I still believe the biggest issue working against Ross right now is Cyler Miles. Smith can call all the plays trying to get Ross the ball but if Miles doesn't pull the trigger and throw the ball there's nothing he can do. I've seen WR's running wide open in every game so far that Miles has neglected to throw the ball to.
Just because Harvin is crazy fast and was crazy effective in Urban Meyers spread offense doesn't mean he can't also succeed in a more traditional WR role. Don't put him in a box with the Devin Hester and Cordarelle Patterson types.
He's a better player than Hester and Patterson. He's a weapon and a really good player, but he hasn't been a traditional WR in the NFL or at Florida. -
Did you watch him in Minnesota or last week in New York?
Just because Harvin is crazy fast and was crazy effective in Urban Meyers spread offense doesn't mean he can't also succeed in a more traditional WR role. Don't put him in a box with the Devin Hester and Cordarelle Patterson types.
Harvin was a first round pick in 2009. So he has been in the league 6 years and has yet to record a 1,000 yard season. Hell he's only had one season with over 900 receiving yards. Never had more than 6 TD's in a season. No one is saying he isn't a dynamic playmaker but at WR he's been a disappointment. Just never developed the skills.
