Another View of John Ross III
So enter our coaches. How do you take a guy who's incredibly dynamic and have an impact for most of the game? Stick him as a corner.
Ross, for all intensive purposes has very little chance of lasting in the nfl as a WR. He's really small, and hasn't shown a knack to get open or run routes crisp enough to be a "welker" type. In the NFL he'd have to play special teams to stay on any team in a 4th or 5th WR slot and there is no way his body can handle that role. Ross could very well be a 10 year CB if he commits to it. He's incredibly talented and fast as all hell. He really doesn't have to tackle and top CB's aren't playing special teams. I really don't see this as a really hard sell by the coaches to Ross. CB's are paid huge money this day in age, and there are very few WR's who succeed at his size(bulk wise,not just height).
The smart portion is that he can still come in a few times a game on offense and be a decoy or actually get the ball. He can also still return kicks, but I do think he could be a difference maker on the other side of the ball in the next couple years.
Don't you all think this could be a precursor for peters replacement? Sidney on one side, ross on the other? He has a lot of work to do, but I could see a path where this makes far more sense than as a FT WR.
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Ross should stay on offense, IMO.
He is too explosive with the ball in his hand to warrant moving him to defense. Nate Dogg's son and Sidney should be fine for next year.
What Ross needs to do is hit up Dr. Feelgood, because you're right: he would die if he averaged 10 touches a game. -
If size and strength is your concern, he's small to be a corner too. Won't be able to bump anybody off a route and will get blocked out of the play everytime...as if he'd be a danger to tackle anyone anyway.
He's dynamic with the ball. Plenty of tiny of guys have been, and continue to be, college all stars. Who gives a shit about what he can or can't do in the NFL...i'd like to win in college. -
I've been asking this question for over a month now when people have been asking why Ross isn't getting the ball ...
Yes, he's dynamic with the ball in his hands. I get that.
But if he was good at finding ways to get the ball in his hands, I'd expect that he'd get the ball far more often than he does.
Taking the basketball analogy in a slightly different direction, Ross right now is the street ball legend that gets away with great dunks and shitty defense played against him. Everybody sings his praises. Then, when he actually has to play basketball, you find that he can't perform at the level everybody thought he could. -
LIPO with Ross. He's taking a few reps at CB. It doesn't mean he's moving there full time. He played some at CB last year too. We don't have an abundance of options at WR coming back next season. He's only a sophomore. He has plenty of time to get better at WR. I doubt he ever becomes a true #1, but he's a valuable weapon on offense.
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He's the same height as Desmond and 15 lbs lighter. Desmond was a 1st round pick. You're telling me he can't gain 15 lbs in 2 1/2 years?SevenEleven said:If size and strength is your concern, he's small to be a corner too. Won't be able to bump anybody off a route and will get blocked out of the play everytime...as if he'd be a danger to tackle anyone anyway.
He's dynamic with the ball. Plenty of tiny of guys have been, and continue to be, college all stars. Who gives a shit about what he can or can't do in the NFL...i'd like to win in college.
If you're worried about ncaa over nfl, having a guy who sits on the bench and really can't get open as a wr is better than him being a corner ft in college? He isn't getting crushed in college like you say, nfl, sure he will need more bulk.
You must not watch ANY corner. 97% of them can't tackle and try and chop out legs or hang off guys. If you can cover you don't worry about tackling -
DeSean Jackson says fuck off. NFL.com lists him at 5'10" 178lbs http://www.nfl.com/player/deseanjackson/1581/profile
John Ross is listed at 5'11" 179lbs on gohuskies.com.
A more accurate analogy than the basketball player might be Ross is more like Percy Harvin and Devin Hester. Crazy fast, explosive, and dangerous return men but not natural WR's. There is a lot more that goes into being a good WR than just speed. Route running, hands, and ability to get open are much more important. TBH I have no idea how good of a WR Ross is. The only thing I know is that he's the fastest player on the field.
All that being said, I still believe the biggest issue working against Ross right now is Cyler Miles. Smith can call all the plays trying to get Ross the ball but if Miles doesn't pull the trigger and throw the ball there's nothing he can do. I've seen WR's running wide open in every game so far that Miles has neglected to throw the ball to.
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The newest theory/ accusation being promoted by the talking heads is that he doesn't show up at practice, and he complains about nicks and dings. As you probably know, by game 5 everyone has an owie somewhere. Most play through it. Tape up and shut up. Play on. If he's pulling himself out of practice for a hangnail, that could become an issue.
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So you're saying El Siete just rolled out the ball?Tequilla said:Taking the basketball analogy in a slightly different direction, Ross right now is the street ball legend that gets away with great dunks and shitty defense played against him. Everybody sings his praises. Then, when he actually has to play basketball, you find that he can't perform at the level everybody thought he could.
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El Siete is the football version of Romar ... IF Romar was a womanizing drunkard that liked his hookers and blow (allegedly)
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@JaWarrenJaHooker's silence in this thread speaks volumes
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Percy Harvin is a natural receiver. Ask anyone other than Bevell. He can run all the routes and he will go up and get the ball.purpledoogfan said:DeSean Jackson says fuck off. NFL.com lists him at 5'10" 178lbs http://www.nfl.com/player/deseanjackson/1581/profile
John Ross is listed at 5'11" 179lbs on gohuskies.com.
A more accurate analogy than the basketball player might be Ross is more like Percy Harvin and Devin Hester. Crazy fast, explosive, and dangerous return men but not natural WR's. There is a lot more that goes into being a good WR than just speed. Route running, hands, and ability to get open are much more important. TBH I have no idea how good of a WR Ross is. The only thing I know is that he's the fastest player on the field.
All that being said, I still believe the biggest issue working against Ross right now is Cyler Miles. Smith can call all the plays trying to get Ross the ball but if Miles doesn't pull the trigger and throw the ball there's nothing he can do. I've seen WR's running wide open in every game so far that Miles has neglected to throw the ball to. -
Harvin is a running backFremontTroll said:
Percy Harvin is a natural receiver. Ask anyone other than Bevell. He can run all the routes and he will go up and get the ball.purpledoogfan said:DeSean Jackson says fuck off. NFL.com lists him at 5'10" 178lbs http://www.nfl.com/player/deseanjackson/1581/profile
John Ross is listed at 5'11" 179lbs on gohuskies.com.
A more accurate analogy than the basketball player might be Ross is more like Percy Harvin and Devin Hester. Crazy fast, explosive, and dangerous return men but not natural WR's. There is a lot more that goes into being a good WR than just speed. Route running, hands, and ability to get open are much more important. TBH I have no idea how good of a WR Ross is. The only thing I know is that he's the fastest player on the field.
All that being said, I still believe the biggest issue working against Ross right now is Cyler Miles. Smith can call all the plays trying to get Ross the ball but if Miles doesn't pull the trigger and throw the ball there's nothing he can do. I've seen WR's running wide open in every game so far that Miles has neglected to throw the ball to. -
"but at this point the guy can't get open"
I stopped reading here. Except that I peaked a bit beyond and saw that you lay some of the blame on QBs who can't get him the ball. agreed with that.
He can get open. He's the best player on the team not nick-named Shaq.
Percy Harvin and Devin Hester are not good comparisons with one another, not that it matters, but of the two I'd say Harvin is more like Ross than Hester. Frankly, it's a bit early for that kind of talk. As to Hester and Harvin:
Hester is arguably the greatest return man in cfb and nfl history. Percy is merely good at it.
Hester is an average receiver - Harvin is pretty damn good at it. Keep in mind, there are different kinds of receivers.
As to Hester, there's a reason they could never figure out what to do with him at Miami besides return kicks and punts. It would drive us all crazy, because you'd see this amazing mother fucker in the open field and think, "why in the fuck can't he do that from the LOS from SOME position ... ANY position?" but he could never find his spot, and they tried everything.
Then again, that was the same cast of retard coaches who couldn't figure out that Sam Shields was a corner. It took the Green Bay Packers one, ONE, training camp to see they had a future pro bowler on their hands, and the kid was playing receiver for Miami the year before. Fuck.
So maybe it was coaching.
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Ross? Not even close. He's not in the top five.creepycoug said:He's the best player on the team not nick-named Shaq.
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You are forgetting that the Creep is a pretend Lawyer and pretend Husky fan.TTJ said:
Ross? Not even close. He's not in the top five.creepycoug said:He's the best player on the team not nick-named Shaq.
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Did you watch Harvin at Florida? Here are his stats. Rushing: 1852 yards, 19 TD, Receiving: 1929, 13 TD. What natural receiver has more TD's and almost equal totals in yardage?FremontTroll said:
Percy Harvin is a natural receiver. Ask anyone other than Bevell. He can run all the routes and he will go up and get the ball.purpledoogfan said:DeSean Jackson says fuck off. NFL.com lists him at 5'10" 178lbs http://www.nfl.com/player/deseanjackson/1581/profile
John Ross is listed at 5'11" 179lbs on gohuskies.com.
A more accurate analogy than the basketball player might be Ross is more like Percy Harvin and Devin Hester. Crazy fast, explosive, and dangerous return men but not natural WR's. There is a lot more that goes into being a good WR than just speed. Route running, hands, and ability to get open are much more important. TBH I have no idea how good of a WR Ross is. The only thing I know is that he's the fastest player on the field.
All that being said, I still believe the biggest issue working against Ross right now is Cyler Miles. Smith can call all the plays trying to get Ross the ball but if Miles doesn't pull the trigger and throw the ball there's nothing he can do. I've seen WR's running wide open in every game so far that Miles has neglected to throw the ball to. -
He's close. Two weeks ago he would have made the list.TTJ said:
Ross? Not even close. He's not in the top five.creepycoug said:He's the best player on the team not nick-named Shaq.
1. Shaq
2. Kikaha
3. Shelton
4. Peters
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Did you watch him in Minnesota or last week in New York?RoadDawg55 said:
Did you watch Harvin at Florida? Here are his stats. Rushing: 1852 yards, 19 TD, Receiving: 1929, 13 TD. What natural receiver has more TD's and almost equal totals in yardage?FremontTroll said:
Percy Harvin is a natural receiver. Ask anyone other than Bevell. He can run all the routes and he will go up and get the ball.purpledoogfan said:DeSean Jackson says fuck off. NFL.com lists him at 5'10" 178lbs http://www.nfl.com/player/deseanjackson/1581/profile
John Ross is listed at 5'11" 179lbs on gohuskies.com.
A more accurate analogy than the basketball player might be Ross is more like Percy Harvin and Devin Hester. Crazy fast, explosive, and dangerous return men but not natural WR's. There is a lot more that goes into being a good WR than just speed. Route running, hands, and ability to get open are much more important. TBH I have no idea how good of a WR Ross is. The only thing I know is that he's the fastest player on the field.
All that being said, I still believe the biggest issue working against Ross right now is Cyler Miles. Smith can call all the plays trying to get Ross the ball but if Miles doesn't pull the trigger and throw the ball there's nothing he can do. I've seen WR's running wide open in every game so far that Miles has neglected to throw the ball to.
Just because Harvin is crazy fast and was crazy effective in Urban Meyers spread offense doesn't mean he can't also succeed in a more traditional WR role. Don't put him in a box with the Devin Hester and Cordarelle Patterson types.
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I didn't watch him last week because I don't typically watch 1-7 football teams play. Percy Harvin has been a slot receiver his whole career. In Minnesota, Bevell was his OC and he ran a decent amount. He probably would have ran more if they didn't have Adrian Peterson. Harvin's yards per catch has always been fairly low because he gets the ball on short passes and uses his running ability. He got tired of that and the Jets say they will use him more as an outside receiver. Still, he's ran the ball 5 times in his first two games for them. Traditional WR's don't run it more than a couple of times per season. I don't remember Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, or TO getting any carries outside of a token reverse once or twice.FremontTroll said:
Did you watch him in Minnesota or last week in New York?RoadDawg55 said:
Did you watch Harvin at Florida? Here are his stats. Rushing: 1852 yards, 19 TD, Receiving: 1929, 13 TD. What natural receiver has more TD's and almost equal totals in yardage?FremontTroll said:
Percy Harvin is a natural receiver. Ask anyone other than Bevell. He can run all the routes and he will go up and get the ball.purpledoogfan said:DeSean Jackson says fuck off. NFL.com lists him at 5'10" 178lbs http://www.nfl.com/player/deseanjackson/1581/profile
John Ross is listed at 5'11" 179lbs on gohuskies.com.
A more accurate analogy than the basketball player might be Ross is more like Percy Harvin and Devin Hester. Crazy fast, explosive, and dangerous return men but not natural WR's. There is a lot more that goes into being a good WR than just speed. Route running, hands, and ability to get open are much more important. TBH I have no idea how good of a WR Ross is. The only thing I know is that he's the fastest player on the field.
All that being said, I still believe the biggest issue working against Ross right now is Cyler Miles. Smith can call all the plays trying to get Ross the ball but if Miles doesn't pull the trigger and throw the ball there's nothing he can do. I've seen WR's running wide open in every game so far that Miles has neglected to throw the ball to.
Just because Harvin is crazy fast and was crazy effective in Urban Meyers spread offense doesn't mean he can't also succeed in a more traditional WR role. Don't put him in a box with the Devin Hester and Cordarelle Patterson types.
He's a better player than Hester and Patterson. He's a weapon and a really good player, but he hasn't been a traditional WR in the NFL or at Florida. -
Did you watch him in Minnesota or last week in New York?
Just because Harvin is crazy fast and was crazy effective in Urban Meyers spread offense doesn't mean he can't also succeed in a more traditional WR role. Don't put him in a box with the Devin Hester and Cordarelle Patterson types.
Harvin was a first round pick in 2009. So he has been in the league 6 years and has yet to record a 1,000 yard season. Hell he's only had one season with over 900 receiving yards. Never had more than 6 TD's in a season. No one is saying he isn't a dynamic playmaker but at WR he's been a disappointment. Just never developed the skills.
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If Hatchie is one of the top-10 best players on the team, UW is fucked.RoadDawg55 said:
He's close. Two weeks ago he would have made the list.TTJ said:
Ross? Not even close. He's not in the top five.creepycoug said:He's the best player on the team not nick-named Shaq.
1. Shaq
2. Kikaha
3. Shelton
4. Peters
5-10 in some order: A. Hudson, Baker, Timu, Ross, Hatchie?
Hatchie's only attribute is he's always the first guy to help the QB back up after he gets beat for a sack/hit/pressure. -
The problem with many of your arguments from my side of the fence is that you're going through the WHOLE NFL and finding one or two examples to show "it works". I'm sure if i wanted to I could find far more converted CB's than WR's who make it.
I do think if he was on oregon right now he would be different, but that only means for oregon. Look at d-thomas. all world at oregon, can't see the field in KC and I wouldn't be shocked if he was off the team in a year or two.
I do care about these guys finding somewhere that benefits UW, but also benefits them for a career. Ross has done almost nothing this year other than provide highlights with penalties. A few could be argued, while others were blatant which sprung him. Everyone can see the talent based on highlights, but I still don't know how he is going to handle that play in and play out.
Lastly, nobody is saying he can't play offense. He can play 10-15 plays of offense and still play d and make a contribution all the time. No clue why he can't be on the field for his few plays now, and then not play any defense to help the team and maybe turn into something. He obviously isn't getting better as a WR right now. -
Pettis at 10
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Not even close? Top five?TTJ said:
Ross? Not even close. He's not in the top five.creepycoug said:He's the best player on the team not nick-named Shaq.
ok. I'll give you that I should have thought about Shelton. That's a given. And it may make more sense to go through this based on both sides of the ball ... that is, it doesn't make sense to pick a "best player" on the team, and more sense to ID the best offensive and defensive players (Shaq arguably both??). On the offensive side of the ball, I'd start with Ross. You said yourself that he doesn't have a QB who can find him consistently enough.
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purpledoogfan said:
Did you watch him in Minnesota or last week in New York?
Just because Harvin is crazy fast and was crazy effective in Urban Meyers spread offense doesn't mean he can't also succeed in a more traditional WR role. Don't put him in a box with the Devin Hester and Cordarelle Patterson types.
Harvin was a first round pick in 2009. So he has been in the league 6 years and has yet to record a 1,000 yard season. Hell he's only had one season with over 900 receiving yards. Never had more than 6 TD's in a season. No one is saying he isn't a dynamic playmaker but at WR he's been a disappointment. Just never developed the skills.
he's used differently than a guy who is a 100%, full time, WR. His touches come in different packages.
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Precisely. And I am likewise pretending to care about this thread.EwaDawg said:
You are forgetting that the Creep is a pretend Lawyer and pretend Husky fan.TTJ said:
Ross? Not even close. He's not in the top five.creepycoug said:He's the best player on the team not nick-named Shaq.
HTH
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Yes, he's moving there full time. Sark had him playing out of position. UW will be better when he learns how much $$$ NFL corners make and allows Peterman to lead him to the promised land.RoadDawg55 said:LIPO with Ross. He's taking a few reps at CB. It doesn't mean he's moving there full time. He played some at CB last year too. We don't have an abundance of options at WR coming back next season. He's only a sophomore. He has plenty of time to get better at WR. I doubt he ever becomes a true #1, but he's a valuable weapon on offense.
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And Lindquist was going to start at QB.sarktastic said:
Yes, he's moving there full time. Sark had him playing out of position. UW will be better when he learns how much $$$ NFL corners make and allows Peterman to lead him to the promised land.RoadDawg55 said:LIPO with Ross. He's taking a few reps at CB. It doesn't mean he's moving there full time. He played some at CB last year too. We don't have an abundance of options at WR coming back next season. He's only a sophomore. He has plenty of time to get better at WR. I doubt he ever becomes a true #1, but he's a valuable weapon on offense.
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I don't think he's bad. The coaches have talked him up this season. It seems to me that pressure normally comes from the right this season. Hatchie and Charles are the best OL on the team.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
If Hatchie is one of the top-10 best players on the team, UW is fucked.RoadDawg55 said:
He's close. Two weeks ago he would have made the list.TTJ said:
Ross? Not even close. He's not in the top five.creepycoug said:He's the best player on the team not nick-named Shaq.
1. Shaq
2. Kikaha
3. Shelton
4. Peters
5-10 in some order: A. Hudson, Baker, Timu, Ross, Hatchie?
Hatchie's only attribute is he's always the first guy to help the QB back up after he gets beat for a sack/hit/pressure.
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I'm not sure Baker doesn't already rank above Ross. He certainly will soon. Baker's gonna be ridiculous.RoadDawg55 said:He's close. Two weeks ago he would have made the list.
1. Shaq
2. Kikaha
3. Shelton
4. Peters
5-10 in some order: A. Hudson, Baker, Timu, Ross, Hatchie?
