Hey Kim, zona is #12 witb 2 and 3* talent
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Banner got all his offers and recruiting clout as a freshman and sophomore. He was a huge kid as a 9th grader and was Lincoln Kennedy's son so the TBS's drooled over him. I saw him after his senior season st the gym and he looked like he had no muscle at all. Really skinny arms, big fat belly, huge head. He could only bench 225 one time. Did spend a lot of time telling everyone that he was gonna start at SC in his first year though.RoadDawg55 said:
I know Chris a little bit and played against him. He was never anything special. A solid high school player, nothing more.KenND said:
To add to this, the Chris Izbicki 5-star ranking was one of the most transparent examples of ranking inflation. I still see fans of other teams who follow recruiting mention it on occasion when talking about how retarded that Scout.com is.KenND said:
To be clear, I don't think that those two do the rankings. What I do think that they do is pressure the guys who are doing the rankings to inflate a ranking here or there in order to create some buzz and sell subscriptions. All of the team sites do it.RoadDawg55 said:
You are giving Kim and F3 way too much credit. Scout know that they are idiots. They don't do the rankings.KenND said:
Kim and F3 got Chris Izbicki rated as a 5-star for gods sake.CuntWaffle said:
This.KenND said:
Depends on whether you want to use the Dawgman-inflated Scout.com rankings. Shaq was universally considered to be a 5-star. Kasen and ASJ were 4-stars.doogsinparadise said:How many 5* did Sark have?
And we paid 500k + a boat for Shaq.
Fetters wrote articles on a kid from my high school team that was a third string TE who never caught a pass. He said the TE oozed potential. He got a two star ranking because he was 6'4" 220 and went to Barton and another regional combine and ran a 4.8.
Zach Banner was another head scratcher. He had tons of offers too. I know he was huge and had great bloodlines, but I saw a 5'10" 200 pound kid from White River dominate him all game long. The kid from White River had like 3 or 4 sacks and a handful of other QB pressures and tackles for loss. At least he had some potential and started for USC, but I was shocked he was rated for high. The #11 ranked tackle should be dominant imo. -
Bench press is overrated - Ken Griswoldbananasnblondes said:
Banner got all his offers and recruiting clout as a freshman and sophomore. He was a huge kid as a 9th grader and was Lincoln Kennedy's son so the TBS's drooled over him. I saw him after his senior season st the gym and he looked like he had no muscle at all. Really skinny arms, big fat belly, huge head. He could only bench 225 one time. Did spend a lot of time telling everyone that he was gonna start at SC in his first year though.RoadDawg55 said:
I know Chris a little bit and played against him. He was never anything special. A solid high school player, nothing more.KenND said:
To add to this, the Chris Izbicki 5-star ranking was one of the most transparent examples of ranking inflation. I still see fans of other teams who follow recruiting mention it on occasion when talking about how retarded that Scout.com is.KenND said:
To be clear, I don't think that those two do the rankings. What I do think that they do is pressure the guys who are doing the rankings to inflate a ranking here or there in order to create some buzz and sell subscriptions. All of the team sites do it.RoadDawg55 said:
You are giving Kim and F3 way too much credit. Scout know that they are idiots. They don't do the rankings.KenND said:
Kim and F3 got Chris Izbicki rated as a 5-star for gods sake.CuntWaffle said:
This.KenND said:
Depends on whether you want to use the Dawgman-inflated Scout.com rankings. Shaq was universally considered to be a 5-star. Kasen and ASJ were 4-stars.doogsinparadise said:How many 5* did Sark have?
And we paid 500k + a boat for Shaq.
Fetters wrote articles on a kid from my high school team that was a third string TE who never caught a pass. He said the TE oozed potential. He got a two star ranking because he was 6'4" 220 and went to Barton and another regional combine and ran a 4.8.
Zach Banner was another head scratcher. He had tons of offers too. I know he was huge and had great bloodlines, but I saw a 5'10" 200 pound kid from White River dominate him all game long. The kid from White River had like 3 or 4 sacks and a handful of other QB pressures and tackles for loss. At least he had some potential and started for USC, but I was shocked he was rated for high. The #11 ranked tackle should be dominant imo.
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Zach Banner always thought of himself as a basketball player first. http://espn.go.com/blog/colleges/usc/post/_/id/16667/bright-future-around-bend-for-banner?ex_cid=espnapi_public
He's a sophomore starting at USC. I wish he was at Washington right now, like he should be... would be... if UW had ANY other coach but Sark at the time.
Losing Banner, Garnet and Williams when Washington was the first choice for all 3... ALL 3 wanted to go to Washington... the school... and become Huskies. It's the single biggest recruiting failure of Sark's tenure at Washington.
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Banner and Williams did. Garnett did not.sarktastic said:Zach Banner always thought of himself as a basketball player first. http://espn.go.com/blog/colleges/usc/post/_/id/16667/bright-future-around-bend-for-banner?ex_cid=espnapi_public
He's a sophomore starting at USC. I wish he was at Washington right now, like he should be... would be... if UW had ANY other coach but Sark at the time.
Losing Banner, Garnet and Williams when Washington was the first choice for all 3... ALL 3 wanted to go to Washington... the school... and become Huskies. It's the single biggest recruiting failure of Sark's tenure at Washington.
Garnett is the only one I thought was good enough. We will see on Banner.....
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One thing about recruiting is you can't teach size or speed.
If someone sucks dick on the field, that's concerning but it might not be the end of the world because that's something you can coach. Put them in the weight room every day for 2-3 years and let them see the field as a RS-soph or RS-Jr once they're ready. And if they're never ready, run them out of the program like Sark did.
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Not true. Garnett didn't trust Sark and didn't want to experience a coaching change under adverse circumstances... 'allegedly'TommySQC said:
Banner and Williams did. Garnett did not.sarktastic said:Zach Banner always thought of himself as a basketball player first. http://espn.go.com/blog/colleges/usc/post/_/id/16667/bright-future-around-bend-for-banner?ex_cid=espnapi_public
He's a sophomore starting at USC. I wish he was at Washington right now, like he should be... would be... if UW had ANY other coach but Sark at the time.
Losing Banner, Garnet and Williams when Washington was the first choice for all 3... ALL 3 wanted to go to Washington... the school... and become Huskies. It's the single biggest recruiting failure of Sark's tenure at Washington.
Garnett is the only one I thought was good enough. We will see on Banner.....
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Garnett wanted to go to WASHINGTON, DAMMIT. Garnett just didn't want to go to Sark.sarktastic said:
Not true. Garnett didn't trust Sark and didn't want to experience a coaching change under adverse circumstances... 'allegedly'TommySQC said:
Banner and Williams did. Garnett did not.sarktastic said:Zach Banner always thought of himself as a basketball player first. http://espn.go.com/blog/colleges/usc/post/_/id/16667/bright-future-around-bend-for-banner?ex_cid=espnapi_public
He's a sophomore starting at USC. I wish he was at Washington right now, like he should be... would be... if UW had ANY other coach but Sark at the time.
Losing Banner, Garnet and Williams when Washington was the first choice for all 3... ALL 3 wanted to go to Washington... the school... and become Huskies. It's the single biggest recruiting failure of Sark's tenure at Washington.
Garnett is the only one I thought was good enough. We will see on Banner..... -
Once upon a time, before Scooot hired Biggins, F3 was actually their Northwest recrooting analrapist. He up-rated a bunch of Seattle kids, which made people on eQuook start the "King County All Stars" meme. Once Scooot hired people that had some idea of how football works, F3 went back to some bullshit made-up job at doogman. But yeah, back when F3 was involved in the process, he definitely overrated a bunch of NW guys.
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Yeah, funny how just about everyone from the PNW was overrated when F3 was assigning stars and rankings.AZDuck said:Once upon a time, before Scooot hired Biggins, F3 was actually their Northwest recrooting analrapist. He up-rated a bunch of Seattle kids, which made people on eQuook start the "King County All Stars" meme. Once Scooot hired people that had some idea of how football works, F3 went back to some bullshit made-up job at doogman. But yeah, back when F3 was involved in the process, he definitely overrated
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You can call bullshit all that you'd like. Any example that I'd give to you would be a ND player, and I highly doubt that you'd be familiar enough with where a ND player was ranked years ago for it to be convincing to you, so I'm not going to waste my time.dnc said:
I'm calling bullshit.KenND said:
Settle down. I didn't say that it happened, just that it wouldn't surprise me if they did. I've seen guys lose stars and change to NR after recruiting is over. Either way, I stand by my opinion that Izbicki was only rated what he was to try and hype up UW's recruiting.dnc said:
He was downgraded to a 4 star long before signing day.KenND said:
It wouldn't surprise me if they retroactively changed Izbicki to a 4-star a year or more after that recruiting cycle. They used to get crap from people about that on the old Dawgman boards, and I am 100% sure that the top for TEs that year were 5-stars. They had him rated right behind Rob Gronkowski. Holy shit.MrsPetersen said:I don't recall Chris Izbicki ever being a 5* and his final scout rating was a 4* (which was clearly pushing it too).
http://washington.scout.com/a.z?s=147&p=8&c=1&nid=2329304
Kavario Middleton was the only 5* Tyrone ever got.
Conspiracy theories are fun, but you're full of shit.
And Izbicki was the #11 TE on ESPN and #13 on Rivals, while #4 on Scout. Four star recruit by all three services. If you follow recruiting at all, and you clearly do, you know that there is a much wider disparity between services on tons of recruits every year. Your conspiracy theory is just as fucking stupid now as it was then.
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Saying you can't teach speed is 100% bullshit.whatshouldicareabout said:One thing about recruiting is you can't teach size or speed.
If someone sucks dick on the field, that's concerning but it might not be the end of the world because that's something you can coach. Put them in the weight room every day for 2-3 years and let them see the field as a RS-soph or RS-Jr once they're ready. And if they're never ready, run them out of the program like Sark did.
Not everyone needs to be a Jake Locker or Budda Baker. It'd be nice if they were, but it's not completely necessary. -
Kasen says hello, allegedly.MikeDamone said:
Saying you can't teach speed is 100% bullshit.whatshouldicareabout said:One thing about recruiting is you can't teach size or speed.
If someone sucks dick on the field, that's concerning but it might not be the end of the world because that's something you can coach. Put them in the weight room every day for 2-3 years and let them see the field as a RS-soph or RS-Jr once they're ready. And if they're never ready, run them out of the program like Sark did.
Not everyone needs to be a Jake Locker or Budda Baker. It'd be nice if they were, but it's not completely necessary. -
Proof?MikeDamone said:
Saying you can't teach speed is 100% bullshit.whatshouldicareabout said:One thing about recruiting is you can't teach size or speed.
If someone sucks dick on the field, that's concerning but it might not be the end of the world because that's something you can coach. Put them in the weight room every day for 2-3 years and let them see the field as a RS-soph or RS-Jr once they're ready. And if they're never ready, run them out of the program like Sark did.
Not everyone needs to be a Jake Locker or Budda Baker. It'd be nice if they were, but it's not completely necessary. -
Underwater treadmills?whatshouldicareabout said:
Proof?MikeDamone said:
Saying you can't teach speed is 100% bullshit.whatshouldicareabout said:One thing about recruiting is you can't teach size or speed.
If someone sucks dick on the field, that's concerning but it might not be the end of the world because that's something you can coach. Put them in the weight room every day for 2-3 years and let them see the field as a RS-soph or RS-Jr once they're ready. And if they're never ready, run them out of the program like Sark did.
Not everyone needs to be a Jake Locker or Budda Baker. It'd be nice if they were, but it's not completely necessary. -
Frank Gore is all I got. (Post surgery of course)
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Ahhh the Chris Fetters Seattle All-Star team:AZDuck said:Once upon a time, before Scooot hired Biggins, F3 was actually their Northwest recrooting analrapist. He up-rated a bunch of Seattle kids, which made people on eQuook start the "King County All Stars" meme. Once Scooot hired people that had some idea of how football works, F3 went back to some bullshit made-up job at doogman. But yeah, back when F3 was involved in the process, he definitely overrated a bunch of NW guys.
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