Maximum Carnage Week Game Thread

ironic statement from the “I’m terrified of shots because I do my own research” crowd

I remember going into Group Hell for shots when I was 12. It was a 3 or 4 hour ridiculous thing. The doctor told my mom I seemed "hostile." I told her I didn't know what the hell he was talking about and I don't know what his problem is…

Even a young Bill knew in the early 90s..

Good list of relatively well tested vaccines. Though daytime chickenpox parties with cigarettes and cocktails was a good memory of The Throbber’s youth.

What is the case for Hep B in an infant?

Obviously a horrible appointment. But really what is the functional difference between the fire head of the CDC and soccer dudette? It's like they resurrected St. Fow Chee for some reason. She is like a lobbyist for Pfizer. "We have a vaccination schedule and it shall not be questioned."

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/rand-paul-wrecks-ousted-cdc-director-over-kids-vaccines

In a much anticipated public appearance, Susan Monarez, the former head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, attempted to defend her short tenure at the embattled public health agency.

Things did not go well for her from the start (via Camus on X):

Senator Dr. Roger Marshall delivered a stunning rebuke to the CDC, exposing them as the primary cause of vaccine hesitancy. He laid out the truth: by forcing unjustified COVID vaccines and an unnecessary Day-1 hepatitis vaccine on every American, the CDC has shattered public trust.

Their one-size-fits-all mandate is not science—it’s tyranny, forcing doctors to abandon their oaths and patients to abandon their doctors. Marshall champions medical freedom, praising the miracles of proven vaccines like Polio and MMR while condemning the CDC's corrupt, blanket mandates.

This is the philosophy of reason, the mission of the President, and the future that RFK Jr. fights for.

After Monarez got a few softball questions from Bernie Sanders and others, Senator Rand Paul stepped in with the tough ones. (Via Vigilant Fox)

He started with the basics - asking if the COVID vaccines actually stop transmission.

PAUL: “Does the COVID vaccine prevent transmission?”

MONAREZ: “The COVID vaccine can reduce viral load in individuals who are—”

PAUL: “Does it prevent transmission?”

MONAREZ: “When you have reduced viral load… you will have reduced transmission.”

PAUL: “But in other words, it DOESN’T prevent transmission. You can still transmit the virus if you’ve had the vaccine.”

Paul then turned to children. He asked Monarez if the COVID vaccine was indicated for kids.

She repeated the same line—that “it can” reduce hospitalization and death. But Paul wasn’t letting it slide.

PAUL: “Does the COVID vaccine reduce hospitalization for children under 18?”

MONAREZ: “It can.”

Paul fired back. “It doesn’t. The statistics are inconclusive. And the reason you can’t prove that it does is there’s so few people under 18 that go to the hospital. The numbers are extraordinarily small.”

When he pressed further about whether the vaccines reduce death in children, Monarez again answered, “It can.”

That’s when Paul shut it down. He pointed to the real risk children face—not COVID, but myocarditis.

“You find that there is a risk of myocarditis, a significant event [in young men and boys]. It’s somewhere between 6 and 8 in 10,000. But that’s much greater than the risk of hospitalization or death, which are not even measurable because they’re so small.”

From there, Paul moved on to the hepatitis B vaccine.

Monarez tried to pivot, but Paul wasn’t letting her off the hook. She couldn’t come up with a single argument in favor of giving Hep B on the first day of life, looking like a deer in headlights when Paul asked her the question.

Then, Paul gets to the root of the issue behind why Susan Monarez was let go from the CDC. (Via Vigilant Fox)

You could feel it…the moment everything changed.

It was about one thing: the childhood vaccine schedule.

And Senator Paul made it clear that this is the debate the public deserves to have.

Paul: “So you resisted firing people who have this idea that the COVID vaccine should be at six months. That’s what this is about. You didn’t resist firing the beautiful scientists that are career people and un-objective and unbiased.”

“You wouldn’t fire the people who are saying that we have to vaccinate our kids at six months of age. That’s who you refuse to fire.”

Monarez: “So that assertion, is not commensurate with the experience that I had with the individuals who are identified to be fired.”

Paul: “Did any of the people you refused to fire believe that we should change the vaccine schedule and no longer force six-month-old kids to take it?”

“Every one of them was adamant we should keep it at six months.”

Then Paul dropped a question that stopped the room cold:

“What is the medical reason to give a Hepatitis B vaccine to a newborn whose mom has no hepatitis?”

Monarez: “So none of the discussion points that you just brought up were ever…”

Paul: “That’s changing the childhood schedule.”

“This is the debate over changing the childhood schedule. The Hepatitis B vaccine on the schedule is given to newborns.”

“What is the medical scientific reason and proof for giving a newborn a Hepatitis B vaccine? If the mom is Hep B negative?”

Monarez: “I want to go back to the assertion…”

Paul: “What is the medical reason for giving a Hepatitis B vaccine to newborn?”

“See, everybody’s like blithely going along. We can’t change the childhood and you’re somehow terrible if you want to change the childhood, we should be discussing what is the childhood vaccine schedule.”

“The burden should be on you. You want to make all the kids take this. The burden is upon you and the people you wouldn’t fire to prove to us that we need to give our six-month-old a COVID vaccine, and that we need to give our one-day-old a Hepatitis B vaccine.”

“That’s what the debate ought to be about, not whether all vaccines are good or whether we live in Alice in Wonderland.”

Corolla in fine form. As I've said, Team Dazzler wants you to forget what they did during Covid and then forgive them like it never happened and they have changed and learned. Nothing has changed and they learned nothing because what they did worked. And yet here in the fall of 2025 they are claiming that we are the authoritarians.