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The Throbber supports Israel and its people.
The Throbber despises Zionists
What is a Zionist? I support a freedom loving people who only want peace with their neighbors. If the Arabs wanted peace they could have it. It was pretty quiet on October 6th and then it wasn't. When the Muslim demand for peace is that the Jews either die or go "home" (wherever that is) there isn't going to be peace. The Jews are going quietly in the night like the left dreams as the solution. The Israelis left Gaza and there was a defacto two state solution. If fact there was a classic leftard election and then what happened? One election, one time.
The Ben Shapiro Mark Levin types.
Zionists believe in having a Jewish national state.
Not sure how that got twisted into a word that's used in the same way that fascist is tossed around in the US.
So, if you aren't a Zionist then you don't support a Jewish national state. Would seem to be more honest if they just said that. Seems like a more honest policy description than using Zionist as a pejorative.
Massive contingents of the Muslim world just condemned Hamas. You gals were celebrating that the other day, while ignoring the fact that they also are calling for a two-state solution. Zionism is a late 19th Century, decidedly separatist (self-segregationist?) movement of European Jews, and a reaction to European pogroms and antisemitism. It is an Ashkenazi Jewish movement.
Arab people were expelled in order to create the State of Israel, and Israel explicitly embraces a religious tradition which is different from the religious traditions of most of them, even from the non-Ashkenazi Jews among them. To the extent anyone ever told Israeli Jews to go "home", they undoubtedly meant go back to Europe.
While it was not inevitable that Israel would be founded as an explicitly Jewish state, and some prominent Jews opposed that, the extreme Zionists won the day and here we are. What's done is done and Israelis aren't going back to Europe anytime soon either. We can either support the establishment of a Palestinian State as was called for from the very beginning—at least as early as 1947—or we watch Israel continue its Putinesque land grabs and genocide.
or we watch Israel continue its Putinesque land grabs and genocide
How Do you explain the fact that almost 20% of Israel’s population are “Palestinian” Muslims?
They most not be very good at genocide, Adolph.
We did support a Palestinian state. Israel left Gaza and they elected Hamas to run their state. The people of Gaza support the River to the Sea. Their supporters promote Globalizing the Intifada and reject a peaceful settlement with Israel. I agree that what is done but that isn't what the people of Gaza want or what Iran wants. So why doesn't Hamas surrender, give up the hostages and then we can pretend that Gaza is pacified. I know that you are a little light in the pants on your History but losing wars has consequences. Just ask almost anyone that isn't a leftard.
For us to come out in support a Palestinian state, Daddy would have to stand up to Bibi.
He won't.
Like I said. On October 6 there was an intact Palestinian state. You keep ignoring that and that Gaza and Iran want the Jews gone. You leftards can play your imaginary games. Israel has to live in the real world. Your dream Palestinian state would have to give up on the River to the Sea. Keep dreaming.
Hamas left the table. H blames the Jews. Water is wet
Again you ignore the joint statement you were previously celebrating.
Hamas left the table in the face of Bibi’s explicit rejection of two states and Daddy backing him on that. Leadership is now required and to the extent Israel disagrees with two states, fuck em.
Gaza was a test run for a Palestinian state. So they elected Hamas
Nice neighbors.
Trump says no state with Hamas. I like that statement
From the river to the sea actually means we want two states. If you're retarded
Bibi’s opposition is to two states. Period. In fact, Bibi propped Hamas up as part of his political calculus to play Palestinians off against one another in order to prevent a Palestinian state. He fucked up.
Exactly
Adolph won’t answer how it’s “genocide” when millions of Arab Muslims live in Israel.
Considering this meltdown, I think you may hate Jews more than you love murdering babies.
Anyone with a functioning brain cell doesn't want Hamas for a neighbor
So not H
Bibi and Trump are right. Gaza had their shot and they chose death
And H blames the Jews
From the river to the sea baby
I almost missed H blaming Bibi for Hamad. Holy shit right out of the nazi playbook