Nothings changed with Montlake
Higher salary than DeBoer last year for a guy with a losing record who never played football. Stellar.
Copy-pasta circa 2011 pro-Sark threads, you don't understand the damage Ty DeBoer did to recruiting. (All access Judson 😉)
Sark>Gilby>Judson>Ty.
Doogman lite around here. Lulz, Reach arounds for all, anticipating the next title run sometime circa 2057.
Foolish me for lurking around the boreds.
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This belongs in the official board is better after a loss thread.
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But we saved money on that higher salary!
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Walmart prices; Walmart quality.
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I don't think anyone didn't want Deboer to stay. The discussions about his terrible recruiting are separate conversations that get misconstrued imo
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Sounds like you care.
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We got fucked and ended up having to overpay for a guy who was doing a nice job in the Pac-12. Did you know Mark Stoops makes 9 million at Kentucky though? Holy shit, he's a top 10 paid coach in college football and his conference record is 28-62
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Time to lock up Fisch with an extension just to rub salt into it
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Maybe we can lower his annual salary a la Harbaugh while we're at it?
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I’ve had UK fans ask “but who can we get that’s better?” when I said UK needs to fire him.
The disconnect between their football expectations and basketball expectations is night and day.
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there’s some nuance in all of this.
Race, et al are correct. Fats was ostensibly a better game day coach. The players played for him and seemed to believe in him. Hard to deny he was a winner even b4 Penix.but he had Penix, who was a killer at the most important position, and the best WR collection UW has ever had, to win several close games. He also had some Peterman defensive recruits.
But, DeBoer never had sphincter problems in the big moments, which his team picked up on.
I think DeBoer himself was a killer. IMO.I do recall there being some complaints that DeBoer wasn’t an ace recruiter. But he could’ve turned out like Pete, who also had complaints here about his recruiting until the NFL production started to manifest itself. So, jury was still out on DeBoer. Not here long enough to know.
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As I said on the podcast, after Penn State Fisch was like "Do you think we could come back here next year and get a win. No, I can't say that."
DeBoer said early and often, "I don't ever want to put a limit into these guys' minds what they're capable of achieving this season."
That offers a glimpse into the difference between Fats and the Tennis Player Car Salesman.
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that quote was definitely concerning. things losers say.
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If Fisch isn't good, Chun (who didn't hire him) could pull the plug after Year 2. If Purdue just did it, so can UW.
But without an NIL budget of at least $15 million, it will be difficult to beat the teams that have 2x the NIL / recruiting budget UW does. From what I understand, UW's NIL budget is $10 million and the biggest budgets are $20 million or more.
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Kentucky is paying Mark Stoops $9,000,000/yr
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Now that we openly look at college football's uncapped payrolls like we do major league baseball's, why do the colleges even need to be involved? The NFL can afford a developmental league.
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Foolish.
I'd do it for 7.5
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Brand. Used to hate the word, but it's the word that drives economis and cfb has brand based on history. The Eugene Mustangs and the Montlake Marauders are going to be as meaningful as XFL teams, whose fanbases are always fringe.
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Because no one cares about 19 year old 270 pound left tackles and won't watch. College football has more grass roots connection to its fans than any other sport.
This is also the reason I believe the schools should have told the kids to play for free or go find a non existent development league to play in 5 or 6 years ago. The NFL can't even pay practice sqwaaad guys so they have no interest in paying for the blinged out 5* Florida WRs to wash out after 3 years after costing the league half a mil.
Ultimately cfb has no need for the "elite" players that are driving the NIL craze. Take out the top 100 players from each class and the product doesn't change. The NCAA (the schools) let the train get away from them
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I just saw a stat that the Seahawks are +39 points in the last 2:00 min of any half. That’s 1st in the NFL. We’re seeing a Grubbless, Penixless product at Bama and it’s, shall we say…DeDogshit?🤷♂️
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I'm enjoying what's happening in Tuscaloosa as much as the next guy, mostly because of the whole program. But this idea that this is proof positive that he's not really that good and it was all Penix and Grubb is a little sweeping (but then again, that's what we? do around here). KDB has little more than a talented running back for a QB. It's a problem even in the watered down SEC SEC.
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I think the same crowd that couldn't live without a tournament deciding a champion had no abiding love for college football anyway. These kids are barely affiliated with any particular university; they may attend 5 schools in as many years. Kind of silly to require them to do any course work when that's not what they're here for.
When Kirk Herbstreit waxes indignant because future pros sit out the Rose Bowl, I want to yell "What the fuck did you think was going to happen when you professionalized the game and made the bowls meaningless?"
Rip the band aid off. The FBS is just the Triple A baseball equivalent for football.
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I agree with all that. But I go back to brand. Brand is not necessarily reality. It's the impression of reality. You can hate it like Plato hated art for the same reasons, but there you have it. If people believe it, it's real for all intents and purposes.
Nobody is going to care about the rivalry between the Eugene Mustangs and the Montlake Marauders. Except maybe some folks in Marysville and Springfield.
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Mental exercise. What’s UW’s record under DeBoer’s staff with everything the same but DMo at QB?🤷♂️🤷♂️
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Talk about an absolute over-reaction
DeBoer did a great job on the field here … would have loved to have kept him if he wanted to stay
He wasn’t a great recruiter here … wasn’t bad but wasn’t great
When he left, combining what he took with him to Alabama, the open door it led to others to leave, and the gaps between the Lake and DeBoer recruiting classes as it was …
I don’t care who coached this team this year there were going to be limitations due to talent
This winners win shit is great when you’re operating with a full deck …
First thing for this program is rebuilding this program starting at the LOS
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I know for sure he wasn’t going to stay at a place he needed to give a million dollars of his own money to.
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Terrible? Was recruiting really that much worse or has that just become the accepted narrative?
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Chinned for comparison of Plato to HHusky.
I'm more of a Cato the Elder guy ("Eugene must be destroyed!"), but still.
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Thanks Kirk Cameron.
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The big thing was that he only had the second portal window to work with. Plus, there was that period post-DeBoer where anybody could poach our dudes even though we couldn’t get anybody. Not ideal.
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*did have more grass roots connections
