Listening to Say Who Podcast right now
Christian and Danny are doing yeoman's work on making it entertaining given the ass kicking the Huskies just absorbed. It's a good listen.
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Agree, listened earlier and it was good.
Of course they spent 20 minutes talking about how awesome the PSU game experience is.
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So a couple NFL players have a podcast called
Dudes on Dudes
NTTIAWWT but they say to search for it.
I find that amusing in this long dark season
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I've only been to a couple Penn State type stadium experiences and they're great. UW has never been and will never be that though for a lot of reasons. UW is what it is and is a singular college football experience and when things align it's fucking great. It feels more like a Seahawks game and feeling than a Penn State, Michigan, or SEC school. Even the kind of damp air that hangs in the stadium and the energy of the city all around you is different. It's not a USC either who is in a massive city and has 5x the prestige but it feels like no one gives a fuck.
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Are they stealing our shit again?
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I appreciate Penn St for maintaining a semblance of college football. Some of the big SEC stadiums look like NFL stadiums
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Last week Christian was making excuses for why Fisch can't succeed this year. But the items he listed were things the Indiana coach also faced this season and he's undefeated
But generally Christian is good and reasonable
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If Indiana doesn't fire their coach and he sees the writing on the wall and does what Kelly did and jumps to a coordinator job in January, then Cignetti is fucked the same way besides his own guys from JMU.
The January transfer rule isn't an excuse it's a bullshit idea where they never considered that a playoff team could lose their coach. And it does need to get fixed going forward or your going to have these zombie teams like UW and UCLA for a season.
If you're going to lose your coach it needs to be after the regular season and you need to hire from outside. Beavlet for example has no one to blame but themselves.
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I think it's clear I'm not a Fisch excuser but there's some stuff to consider when comparing Fisch and Cignetti.
- What would each coach's record be if they swapped schedules?
- Fisch's biggest controllable failing to me was not getting more of his better former team players to follow him when compared to Cignetti, but it's way easier to sell a James Madison player on following you to Indiana than an Arizona player to Washington going into 2024. I doubt James Madison had some landlord threatening lawsuits or whatever went down and the idea that Arizona was still a Big 12 champion/playoff contender existed versus fighting to go 9-3 at UW. Keep in mind the Oregon, Ohio State and Texas' of the world I assume may have tried to get Tetarioa and Arizona's other best players to transfer and they didn't so I think they had something going there to keep them to stay.
- I don't know the logistics of the Indiana coaching change but I'm sure it was easier to keep a base of some of the current players when a bunch of overpaying schools are circling and players aren't facing going from the natty to looking at 8-4 as successful.
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What would their records be if they swapped teams ?
I think Cignetti would gave beaten Coug, Rutgers, and probably Indiana with UW's roster.
Hard to say how Fisch would have done at IU with its roster, but I suspect they'd have dropped at least 1 if not 2. That's the easiest schedule I've seen in the P4 this year so who knows.
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I think every recruit on UW was rated higher than 50 fucking James Madison recruits
Doogs hate winners and love excuses for losing. Cigarette is a winner at every level. Google it
Kind of like another coach we know
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Yes but the Indiana coach got there in time to get decent players out of the portal. Fisch got to UW when they were all snatched up (o-line).
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Look, I'd take Cignetti right now in a heartbeat. I just don't think it's that cut and dry between the two. I think we'll find out more about Cig after he plays Ohio State and whoever they play after they close with Purdue (that schedule, my god).
A couple more excuses to burn to me with Fisch are:
- Not being able to retain like one player it seems had other comparable options, especially on the OL. As I've said in recruiting where it's hard to get past mediocre if you can't find ways to wind some battles you shouldn't, he really needed to find some ways to get more guys to not bolt.
- The whole he didn't have the winter portal window thing. I really have doubts he was pulling studs away in that portal and at best probably comparable with the layups DeBoer brought in. Also, there was some talent in the spring portal to snag, namely a LT we couldn't possibly keep away from Missouri and a local center from Utah who ended up at A&M. Oh, and every single player on UCLA who is about to play us tough.
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It isn't cut and dry. Go look up who here brought from the December transfer portal that weren't JMU guys. Namely the QB that's lighting everyone the fuck up with a dislocated thumb.
Taking everything into account Cignetti does seem like a better hire than Fisch right now, but we absolutely need someone who's going to win and replentish talent and raise money. You can't just do 2/3 and that goes for Fisch too. And maybe Cignetti continues to kill it in the portal or gets recruiting going in some other way.
I just think it's a dumb argument when you factor in the worst rule in college football right now besides the unlimited transfer count per player.
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Bottom line: is UW better today than it was in week 1?
Fuck Fisch.
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UCLA is
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Oh don't worry they're about to renovate it and NFL-ize it. $700m investment. Starts right after this season ends. Club seats and suites coming soon (or expanding).
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Well, we went from losing to WSU to beating USC so going by tradition, yes they are technically better.
Not that I think this season was some kind of success given the circumstances, because it wasn't. Shit coaching jobs against WSU, Rutgers, Indiana, and then you have to look competitive in the other 2 losses. You rewatch the condensed Penn St game and our DL, namely the 6th year guy and Valdez look like they aren't even trying, or they're so gassed that they haven't been conditioning properly.
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USC sucks more than UW does
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you think USC is good?
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The "yeah but USC sucks" shit is for cougs and quooks.
USC with their 15 million/year coach that everyone wanted and immediately announced them as a b1g d1ck program for getting.
Goddamn right I'm going to give credit for that win. Wasn't that long ago that they were a conference favorite after beating LSU. Brands matter more than ever.
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I’ll deal in reality.
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Fisch's biggest controllable failing was his portal recruitment for offensive linemen. One might argue that it wasn't controllable, but I think if you had thrown me in there as head coach I could have convinced guysm from Portland State and Montana State to transfer to UW. That doesn't take much skill and panache.
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I'd like to think that the Jedd Fisch of November 2024, when faced with 4th and goal from the one with the game on the line against a chippy and inferior team, would NOT run option to the short side of the field with a QB who can't run. So there's that.
ATBS, the FIsch of Nov 2024 would probably throw a fade route to his shortest wide receiver on said fourth down.
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or run gross out for a field goal and watch him pull a doinker off the left upright
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I kept hearing the ads for that Dudes On Dudes thing while I was in Vegas. It might be some sort of code for alternative football players.
