Expectations
Listening to a podcast from Mandel and Feldman from the Athletic. They both put *us as under our Vegas O/U of 7.5 and surmised that if they had to bet which was more likely for Washington between 4-8 and 8-4, they picked 4-8 was more likely.
I am a bit concerned about our dooging being too optimistic, but 4-8? Just fire everyone into the sun.
Lets go Fisch, prove the national media wrong.
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I keep going back to the fact that Sark could win 7 a year with an awful offensive line. Fish should be able to scheme around the line deficiencies against the middle/bottom of the Big 10. 7-8 seems right.
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I've got no expectations for 2024. It's a write off year. I'd be shocked if we were better than 7-5.
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The staff is paid like and publicly talks about what great coaches and developers they are. and obviously, they know they're following a staff that just lost 3 games in two years.
I keep going back to the fact that it would be weird to succeed at Arizona (completely bottomed out, 0wen Arizona) but would somehow fail at Washington. It doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Right - but Arizona was a 3 year project.
The Fisch resume is good, but he's not inheriting the same level of roster that DeBoer had in 2022.
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Nobody thought the roster was good after 2021 lakeshow
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I'm more optimistic than the general consensus. I'd also take anything any cfb media dorks say with a grain of salt. When I was more in blogging I ended up being around and chatting with some and was shocked with how little they seemed to know about Pac-12 programs beyond the first layer or whatever the national supposed consensus was. Keep in-mind these are the same guys I think had USC picked to win the conference last year and Oregon to win more games than UW after how UW finished the season and with what they had coming back in comparison to those programs, and Oregon coming to Seattle.
I trust Fisch and company are good developers and judges of talent. Winning what they did at Arizona is no joke. I also know that they only won one game in his first year and five in his second so I do worry we're in for something like that, but just better - like 4 wins, then 8, then a breakthrough when Demond is a junior etc.
Sark's winning is hard to compare to me. The Pac-10/12 was two really good teams most those year then shit and he inherited closer to a situation like DeBoer inherited because the roster actually had some talent, a Top 10 NFL talent QB, and he and Ty benefitted from the state having more talent and most guys other than 5 stars generally going to UW.
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That's still downplaying how bad off Arizona was. It was even shittier/worse than Gary Andersen Oregon State. A bunch of people here were down about how Lake was playing 3rd stringers all second half against them, but our 2020 starters ass-blasted them in record fashion. Podcast of Champions guys were saying that their jaws dropped when they checked the yards at halftime.
Herm Edwards put up 70 on them and media people that do actually follow the Pac 12 closely were questioning whether Arizona was even a better job than WSU.
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cfb media dorks dont know fuck about shit, theyve spent their time wiping saban's jizz off their chins.
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Lambo was Don James compared to Jimmy Lake, Boss.
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I don't really agree with that.
If he just says the word 'yes' to Mark Helfrich (who really wanted the OC job and was probably pretty motivated to stick it to the quooks) then he's still coaching here. I don't know if he's a true contender in the conference or any of that, but he's definitely still at Washington.
Look at all of his losses including Michigan. Yes he lost to Montana and deserved to be fired just for that.
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Losing to Montana is the worst performance by a Husky head coach in my life time.
Jimmy Lake would have been Tyrone level bad had he stayed here.
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Lake knowingly and purposefully operated in a way that hurt his cause just to prove that he was so good that it didn't matter.
That does seem a little Ty like.
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8-4 is the expectation
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Eight wins or next corch up. Seven wins would suck.
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I've said 8 wins minimum before a bowl win even with whatever TBS o-line issue there is. The B1G is the richest conference but not the best conference. Why Michigan could just have Caramel Popcorn Douche sit back and hit a few 3rd down layups a game all season long.
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20 Sven Bucks days to take the Over here. 5-0 before the Michigan game should be the expectation.
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fuck your 13 minutes.
Edit: Great functionality making the pictures disappear from the reposted comment. Fucking vanilla.
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@MrsSnow plugs numbers into Turbo Tax, Bud.
I'm just along for the ride.
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I’d take the under on 8, but saying 4-8 is more likely than 8-4 is retarded. If we don’t win 7, our coaches fucked up
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Mandel and Feldman have always been fucking retards
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I don't think it's impossible but I think people are underestimating how bad of a season 4-8 be. If they don't lose a non-conference game (and they shouldnt) that means they win one conference game. The 2021 season took some epic fuck ups by Lake to only win four games, including losing to an FCS team and they had road game against a Final Four team. The Pac-12 was soft at the top but was really deep and middle strong with the worst team ironically being Fisch's 1-11 squad who probably should have beaten Jimmy but got bailed out by a Tuli int.
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Washington is a program that is very easy to see bad seasons incoming. It's rather simple.
Gilbertson, Willingham, Lake. The three horsemen of the apocalypse and the reason why WASHINGTON is no longer viewed as a juggernaut program (Ty is the middle and biggest horse and bears 81% of the responsibility).
At UW, first time P5 Head Coaches promoted from within will fail. Lambo was the best of the bunch, the others were disasters. Gilby was a lazy hire that should never have been made. He cratered fast and quickly and was canned.
Lake was an optimistic hire, but the writing was on the wall with the Donovan hire. That was a head scratcher for even the doogliest of doogs, and it played out about as well as expected. A weird covid season playing every game at home deluded us and probably prolonged the experiment, or maybe Pete coaching needed 2 years to wash out. There was some hope for a good defense and running the damn ball, but the program turned out to be soft and the scheme was the worst in all of college football.
Willingham sucked at Notre Dame so it didn't take a genius to see he'd suck at UW. That he was allowed to suck for as long and as hard as he did is a travesty.
In review, UW cannot promote from within and cannot hire coaches who have sucked elsewhere. Sark was a risky hire and brought the program back to life to some degree, but UW should never hire an assistant coach again.
Hiring proven coaches at the P5 and G5 level tends to go really fucking well.
For this reason, Fisch is going to do well here. For how long is the bigger question.
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I expected 9 wins because I thought a little more impact would portal in.
I don't expect more than 7 though. I don't see this team coming out sharp. It lacks continuity, lacks impact defensive tackles, and the OL could be a real shit show.
Let's see if there's a pattern to Fisch taking a little time to get his reads down. UW could be bad early and good late but the schedule gets tough late.
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Fish and crew know how to put guys in positions to succeed, they will pull off a win that they otherwise shouldn't have this season. PGOS and I have said a minimum of 8 and I will stick to that. The Defense will be good, perhaps even with last season or a touch better or worse. The offense will surprise, we finally will have a little depth at RB, good QB, an athletic but unproven OL that will surprise yet underwhelm because they need more tim, WR's and TE will be good but not as good as last season. Special teams will be special. 8-9 wins, with potential for 10, Fisch seriously believes he can make a push at playoffs because his dudes know more foosball than the other dudes on the other sideline, We'll see
