Coach Petersen was FIRST and RIGHT
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The portal sucks. Yeah, it's made SEC-style cheating legal for everyone. Doesn't make it good for the product. My random thoughts on transfers are:
- Each kid should get one transfer during their college eligibility, not to be used until after their first full year at a school. No waiver process, either. Cut and dried.
- One additional transfer is allowed if the coach, who was at the school when the player signed, leaves. The player is not allowed to follow the coach to their new school.
- If the transfer is not due to a coaching change the player has to sit out a year unless they're a grad student. No waivers for immediate eligibility. This year is not counted against the player's eligibility.
- The transfer portal is not opened up until after the completion of spring practices and is open for 2-3 weeks. Allows for the completion of the prior season and full movement of coaches so that the dust is fully settled before kids make big decisions. Coaching change kids get exempted from this window.
- NLI's and NIL need to get paired up in some form or fashion to create a contract for the player and school. College football has turned pro and needs to be regulated the same way.
- Drop the hammer on teams caught tampering. Some programs need to lose a few limbs to scare schools straight.
- Each kid should get one transfer during their college eligibility, not to be used until after their first full year at a school. No waiver process, either. Cut and dried.
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Non of these ideas work because the schools are independent. Any idea to collectively restrict the contractors/employee "student" athletes bargaining power will lose in court. Almost any restriction from the NCAA or a conference will violate the Sherman Act, which prohibits "contracts, combinations, or conspiracies in restraint of trade or commerce" (First Bannon v NCAA and now strengthened in NCAA v Alston, 2021)
The NFL/MLB/NBA dodge many of the anti trust lawsuits/restrictions because they are really just a single entity and the teams are franchises in conjunction with congressionally passed Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961. (also a bunch of nonsensical specific MLB carve outs about culture and tradition and inconsistently applied restrictions on interstate commerce from 1922).
TLDR: None of these solutions mean anything, they cant stand legally, it will take an act of congress to stop the bleeding; basically its fucked. -
Wouldn't it be in the interests of the universities to re-create the NCAA as the entity under which they serve as franchises? Every other aspect of college athletics have turned into pro sports outside of how the schools are governed.Houhusky said:Non of these ideas work because the schools are independent. Any idea to collectively restrict the contractors/employee "student" athletes bargaining power will lose in court. Almost any restriction from the NCAA or a conference will violate the Sherman Act, which prohibits "contracts, combinations, or conspiracies in restraint of trade or commerce" (First Bannon v NCAA and now strengthened in NCAA v Alston, 2021)
The NFL/MLB/NBA dodge many of the anti trust lawsuits/restrictions because they are really just a single entity and the teams are franchises in conjunction with congressionally passed Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961. (also a bunch of nonsensical specific MLB carve outs about culture and tradition and inconsistently applied restrictions on interstate commerce from 1922).
TLDR: None of these solutions mean anything, they cant stand legally, it will take an act of congress to stop the bleeding; basically its fucked.
If the model is the same five years from now as it is today, I can't see people sticking around and following college athletics in the same numbers as today. We went from a national championship appearance to being destitute overnight. Prior to the past couple weeks, UW had largely avoided the major pitfalls of the portal. Now that I've had a chance to study it up close and personal I'm not going to be around as a fan in a few years if it's not fixed. -
Mother fucking this. The chaos is going to break too many of the fan, UW being a perfect example.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Wouldn't it be in the interests of the universities to re-create the NCAA as the entity under which they serve as franchises? Every other aspect of college athletics have turned into pro sports outside of how the schools are governed.Houhusky said:Non of these ideas work because the schools are independent. Any idea to collectively restrict the contractors/employee "student" athletes bargaining power will lose in court. Almost any restriction from the NCAA or a conference will violate the Sherman Act, which prohibits "contracts, combinations, or conspiracies in restraint of trade or commerce" (First Bannon v NCAA and now strengthened in NCAA v Alston, 2021)
The NFL/MLB/NBA dodge many of the anti trust lawsuits/restrictions because they are really just a single entity and the teams are franchises in conjunction with congressionally passed Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961. (also a bunch of nonsensical specific MLB carve outs about culture and tradition and inconsistently applied restrictions on interstate commerce from 1922).
TLDR: None of these solutions mean anything, they cant stand legally, it will take an act of congress to stop the bleeding; basically its fucked.
If the model is the same five years from now as it is today, I can't see people sticking around and following college athletics in the same numbers as today. We went from a national championship appearance to being destitute overnight. Prior to the past couple weeks, UW had largely avoided the major pitfalls of the portal. Now that I've had a chance to study it up close and personal I'm not going to be around as a fan in a few years if it's not fixed.
And for the record, UW didn't use portal chaos to get to the Natty game in 2023, rather, DeBoer snagged a few key guys, many of whom had hit their expiration dates at other schools. As such, I don't feel like we are hypocrites on this topic. -
College basketball has kind of been ahead of the curve on this and made even worse because players can go pro after one year or just go to the D League and I think they're hemorrhaging fans. I know I for one watch a lot less. It's kind of surviving because of March Madness and brackets/betting. I remember recently checking the box score of the UW/Oregon game and not recognizing like one player and checking each to see almost every single player had played for one and many two schools before. Great path to follow.
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Obviously, the portal can make for some fun, compelling product and storylines- e.g., Caleb, Penix and Nix helping the Pac brand (too little, too late though).
But, at this point, the NFL does a far better job with managing the product for fan loyalty and engagement.
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You need transfer fees like euro futbol to deter the constant transfers. Make all the contracts for 4 years, and if you want out the school that wants you needs to negotiate a transfer fee to pay the school you’re leaving.
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Rick's record breaking salary of $1,000,000 back in 1999 is the equivalent of $1,866,000 in 2023 USD.
I do have to laff at the corch's bitching about all the extra roster management work they have to do as a result of the portal.
Maybe if you fat fucks weren't so fucking greedy, the kids wouldn't have gotten so bitchy about getting a piece of the pie.
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This isn't changing. Get used to it, or stop watching if you want, but the idea that people are going to walk away from the sport en masse is wishful thinking brought on because we are on the sphincter end of a balls deep ass-raping. The playoff, conference consolidation/relegation paid college players, etc. is going to draw eyes to the sport. Controversy and turmoil it causes will only create more conversation and eyes as people love controversy and tune it to it way more than they do when things are calm.
The fans walking away talk is the same as people that say they are leaving the country based on election results. It doesn't happen. -
All additional reasons why in today's world the university and the athletic department need to "own" the recruiting process fundamentally (i.e., the "GM" is a athletic department role, not one on the coaching staff), with the coaches being important stakeholders but not the organizer or driver
It's just outstripped the average football coaches ability and intelligence to understand all the rules and protocols -- and of course, you'd rather not have players tied to the coach (rather than the program, or university) if you can help it -
It's happened here.Seven_Eleven said:This isn't changing. Get used to it, or stop watching if you want, but the idea that people are going to walk away from the sport en masse is wishful thinking brought on because we are on the sphincter end of a balls deep ass-raping. The playoff, conference consolidation/relegation paid college players, etc. is going to draw eyes to the sport. Controversy and turmoil it causes will only create more conversation and eyes as people love controversy and tune it to it way more than they do when things are calm.
The fans walking away talk is the same as people that say they are leaving the country based on election results. It doesn't happen.
Sure @PurpleBaze and @Swaye cum here for the malarkey, but will they ever have the same passion for UW football that once existed? -
Speaking for myself, I'll never be able to recapture the passion I used to have for Husky Football.YellowSnow said:
It's happened here.Seven_Eleven said:This isn't changing. Get used to it, or stop watching if you want, but the idea that people are going to walk away from the sport en masse is wishful thinking brought on because we are on the sphincter end of a balls deep ass-raping. The playoff, conference consolidation/relegation paid college players, etc. is going to draw eyes to the sport. Controversy and turmoil it causes will only create more conversation and eyes as people love controversy and tune it to it way more than they do when things are calm.
The fans walking away talk is the same as people that say they are leaving the country based on election results. It doesn't happen.
Sure @PurpleBaze and @Swaye cum here for the malarkey, but will they ever have the same passion for UW football that once existed?
There are many reasons, but I won't bore everyone with them.
I'll stay somewhat engaged with the goings on through this board, but that's it.
I watched the championship game very objectively. It didn't affect my mood at all that they lost.
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Not sure I’m mentally prepared to spend Saturdays with my family.Seven_Eleven said:This isn't changing. Get used to it, or stop watching if you want, but the idea that people are going to walk away from the sport en masse is wishful thinking brought on because we are on the sphincter end of a balls deep ass-raping. The playoff, conference consolidation/relegation paid college players, etc. is going to draw eyes to the sport. Controversy and turmoil it causes will only create more conversation and eyes as people love controversy and tune it to it way more than they do when things are calm.
The fans walking away talk is the same as people that say they are leaving the country based on election results. It doesn't happen. -
I just paid thousands of dollars to watch a coach, who had already planned his departure, trot out an unprepared team in the national championship game and take a giant dump all over every fan who made the trip to the game. Said coach has subsequently taken players away from UW and left "my school" with a gutted roster and no time to rebuild. This is coming off of a 14 - 1 season and #2 finish!Seven_Eleven said:This isn't changing. Get used to it, or stop watching if you want, but the idea that people are going to walk away from the sport en masse is wishful thinking brought on because we are on the sphincter end of a balls deep ass-raping. The playoff, conference consolidation/relegation paid college players, etc. is going to draw eyes to the sport. Controversy and turmoil it causes will only create more conversation and eyes as people love controversy and tune it to it way more than they do when things are calm.
The fans walking away talk is the same as people that say they are leaving the country based on election results. It doesn't happen.
If I wanted to watch professional football I would watch the NFL. Maybe I'm allowing my opinion to be totally tainted by my personal experience recently, but I think a lot of people in NFL-area markets are probably going through the same thought process as I am. Sure, in backwater shitholes like Eugene and Tuscaloosa, where there's jack shit to do other than smoke meth and steal catalytic convertors, fans in those towns will still show up because the college is their version of a professional franchise.
College sports are morphing into a product that appeals to people who like watching reality tv. Pretty fickle consumer to rely on when the NFL is already in existence. -
CFB was a different product within the sport of football, built on a different foundation.Seven_Eleven said:This isn't changing. Get used to it, or stop watching if you want, but the idea that people are going to walk away from the sport en masse is wishful thinking brought on because we are on the sphincter end of a balls deep ass-raping. The playoff, conference consolidation/relegation paid college players, etc. is going to draw eyes to the sport. Controversy and turmoil it causes will only create more conversation and eyes as people love controversy and tune it to it way more than they do when things are calm.
The fans walking away talk is the same as people that say they are leaving the country based on election results. It doesn't happen.
Players and coaches already dont care about "meaningless" bowl games, rivalries, or traditions. Players sit out games, coaches do interviews before the championship game. Players aren't peers with with fellow students. Stadiums pump pop music and the band is an afterthought. Local community recruiting and development is irrelevant.
If it just becomes a U23 developmental league with 1 year contracts (which is what it looks like) it wont be the product people watched or the product college football fans care about. Some will stop watching football and some will just watch the superior professional football product in the NFL.
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#MyAnus is fucking killing it today!BleachedAnusDawg said:
I just paid thousands of dollars to watch a coach, who had already planned his departure, trot out an unprepared team in the national championship game and take a giant dump all over every fan who made the trip to the game. Said coach has subsequently taken players away from UW and left "my school" with a gutted roster and no time to rebuild. This is coming off of a 14 - 1 season and #2 finish!Seven_Eleven said:This isn't changing. Get used to it, or stop watching if you want, but the idea that people are going to walk away from the sport en masse is wishful thinking brought on because we are on the sphincter end of a balls deep ass-raping. The playoff, conference consolidation/relegation paid college players, etc. is going to draw eyes to the sport. Controversy and turmoil it causes will only create more conversation and eyes as people love controversy and tune it to it way more than they do when things are calm.
The fans walking away talk is the same as people that say they are leaving the country based on election results. It doesn't happen.
If I wanted to watch professional football I would watch the NFL. Maybe I'm allowing my opinion to be totally tainted by my personal experience recently, but I think a lot of people in NFL-area markets are probably going through the same thought process as I am. Sure, in backwater shitholes like Eugene and Tuscaloosa, where there's jack shit to do other than smoke meth and steal catalytic convertors, fans in those towns will still show up because the college is their version of a professional franchise.
College sports are morphing into a product that appeals to people who like watching reality tv. Pretty fickle consumer to rely on when the NFL is already in existence.
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I hope to live a long life but I just told my family I can no longer legit claim to be a Dwag fan for the rest of my life. Hell, I may not even follow college football beyond the next 5-10 years.YellowSnow said:
It's happened here.Seven_Eleven said:This isn't changing. Get used to it, or stop watching if you want, but the idea that people are going to walk away from the sport en masse is wishful thinking brought on because we are on the sphincter end of a balls deep ass-raping. The playoff, conference consolidation/relegation paid college players, etc. is going to draw eyes to the sport. Controversy and turmoil it causes will only create more conversation and eyes as people love controversy and tune it to it way more than they do when things are calm.
The fans walking away talk is the same as people that say they are leaving the country based on election results. It doesn't happen.
Sure @PurpleBaze and @Swaye cum here for the malarkey, but will they ever have the same passion for UW football that once existed?
This is a shitshow and I don't watch reality tv.
All we are saying, is givepeaceFisch a chance. . . -
I mean, how are you supposed to have any loyalty to a (University) brand when the players and coaches change every couple of years?Houhusky said:
CFB was a different product within the sport of football, built on a different foundation.Seven_Eleven said:This isn't changing. Get used to it, or stop watching if you want, but the idea that people are going to walk away from the sport en masse is wishful thinking brought on because we are on the sphincter end of a balls deep ass-raping. The playoff, conference consolidation/relegation paid college players, etc. is going to draw eyes to the sport. Controversy and turmoil it causes will only create more conversation and eyes as people love controversy and tune it to it way more than they do when things are calm.
The fans walking away talk is the same as people that say they are leaving the country based on election results. It doesn't happen.
Players and coaches already dont care about "meaningless" bowl games, rivalries, or traditions. Players sit out games, coaches do interviews before the championship game. Players aren't peers with with fellow students. Stadiums pump pop music and the band is an afterthought. Local community recruiting and development is irrelevant.
If it just becomes a U23 developmental league with 1 year contracts (which is what it looks like) it wont be the product people watched or the product college football fans care about. Some will stop watching football and some will just watch the superior professional football product in the NFL.
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This. The days of following a kid from recruitment all the way through his career are dead, which sucks bigly. There’s no reason invest emotionally or financially anymore.YellowSnow said:
I mean, how are you supposed to have any loyalty to a (University) brand when the players and coaches change every couple of years?Houhusky said:
CFB was a different product within the sport of football, built on a different foundation.Seven_Eleven said:This isn't changing. Get used to it, or stop watching if you want, but the idea that people are going to walk away from the sport en masse is wishful thinking brought on because we are on the sphincter end of a balls deep ass-raping. The playoff, conference consolidation/relegation paid college players, etc. is going to draw eyes to the sport. Controversy and turmoil it causes will only create more conversation and eyes as people love controversy and tune it to it way more than they do when things are calm.
The fans walking away talk is the same as people that say they are leaving the country based on election results. It doesn't happen.
Players and coaches already dont care about "meaningless" bowl games, rivalries, or traditions. Players sit out games, coaches do interviews before the championship game. Players aren't peers with with fellow students. Stadiums pump pop music and the band is an afterthought. Local community recruiting and development is irrelevant.
If it just becomes a U23 developmental league with 1 year contracts (which is what it looks like) it wont be the product people watched or the product college football fans care about. Some will stop watching football and some will just watch the superior professional football product in the NFL. -
They walked away long ago, before the NIL and semi-pro mercenary rule changes. They only were drawn back in for a miracle run that happened in large part because we got a home run through the portal with Penix. Now they claim to have walked away again.YellowSnow said:
It's happened here.Seven_Eleven said:This isn't changing. Get used to it, or stop watching if you want, but the idea that people are going to walk away from the sport en masse is wishful thinking brought on because we are on the sphincter end of a balls deep ass-raping. The playoff, conference consolidation/relegation paid college players, etc. is going to draw eyes to the sport. Controversy and turmoil it causes will only create more conversation and eyes as people love controversy and tune it to it way more than they do when things are calm.
The fans walking away talk is the same as people that say they are leaving the country based on election results. It doesn't happen.
Sure @PurpleBaze and @Swaye cum here for the malarkey, but will they ever have the same passion for UW football that once existed?
...we'll see.
Even if they do stay unengaged. Even if every person you see complaining in every corner of the internet stopped watching forever today, it wouldn't be a drop in the bucket. A bunch of old guys no longer being the target audience of a product? Shocker.
I don't watch reality entertainment. But it remains popular. Again, if you want to say the sport is no longer for you, that's fine. But my money on the sport doing just fine moving forward.
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SubscriptionsTV viewership has never been higher!
I think a major issue is completely ignoring that a huge number of core fans support their football team because it is their university, which for whatever reasons of psychology we are pretty loyal to. If the players and coaches, who earn a good chunk of money off of that loyalty we have to the university, are constantly changing, then we're going to quit paying for that.
Their skills create economic value for the football team, but so does the entirety of the university. Might want to make sure you keep that second part happy too.
As a tennis fan, rooting for a bunch of individuals can be really boring (the competition itself is more compelling than the individuals) and it is ESPECIALLY uninteresting once you get past the very top players. Unfortunately for college football, the NFL already exists.
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This. #metooBleachedAnusDawg said:
I just paid thousands of dollars to watch a coach, who had already planned his departure, trot out an unprepared team in the national championship game and take a giant dump all over every fan who made the trip to the game. Said coach has subsequently taken players away from UW and left "my school" with a gutted roster and no time to rebuild. This is coming off of a 14 - 1 season and #2 finish!Seven_Eleven said:This isn't changing. Get used to it, or stop watching if you want, but the idea that people are going to walk away from the sport en masse is wishful thinking brought on because we are on the sphincter end of a balls deep ass-raping. The playoff, conference consolidation/relegation paid college players, etc. is going to draw eyes to the sport. Controversy and turmoil it causes will only create more conversation and eyes as people love controversy and tune it to it way more than they do when things are calm.
The fans walking away talk is the same as people that say they are leaving the country based on election results. It doesn't happen.
If I wanted to watch professional football I would watch the NFL. Maybe I'm allowing my opinion to be totally tainted by my personal experience recently, but I think a lot of people in NFL-area markets are probably going through the same thought process as I am. Sure, in backwater shitholes like Eugene and Tuscaloosa, where there's jack shit to do other than smoke meth and steal catalytic convertors, fans in those towns will still show up because the college is their version of a professional franchise.
College sports are morphing into a product that appeals to people who like watching reality tv. Pretty fickle consumer to rely on when the NFL is already in existence. -
KD killed my dad. It hasn't happened yet but considering the way he talks, KD and the new age of college football will be to blame. But mostly KD.YellowSnow said:
It's happened here.Seven_Eleven said:This isn't changing. Get used to it, or stop watching if you want, but the idea that people are going to walk away from the sport en masse is wishful thinking brought on because we are on the sphincter end of a balls deep ass-raping. The playoff, conference consolidation/relegation paid college players, etc. is going to draw eyes to the sport. Controversy and turmoil it causes will only create more conversation and eyes as people love controversy and tune it to it way more than they do when things are calm.
The fans walking away talk is the same as people that say they are leaving the country based on election results. It doesn't happen.
Sure @PurpleBaze and @Swaye cum here for the malarkey, but will they ever have the same passion for UW football that once existed? -
I think individually people follow football for different reasons. People support and follow their local university, some Jack Doogs like me follow because they were forced to go as a young child and loved the atmoshphere and local and regional rivalries, etc.... There was alot of reasons why I have always followed college ball over pro.
Now, all the reasons I couldn't stand pro ball are creeping into college. Players and coaches with an unwavering love of money and bigger contracts. The entire roster and coaching staff of the LA Rams could replace every single Seattle Seahawk player and coach and 12's would show out en mass to support "their team" So what exactly are people following or supporting with pro ball?
Jed Fisch could bring his entire roster and coaching staff here overnight and do the same shit.
Is football simply about wanting your brand to win, no matter what, with whatever it takes to get there? If so, I'd say we? Are where we need to be!!!!!1!!! -
I'm not saying there won't be a market for the college football product moving forward, so don't twist. We're still only a few seasons into to this brave new world. But I don't think it's crazy to consider to possibility of some large number of alumni and fans losing interest or becoming less passionate. Could certainly be more than a drop on the bucket, but perhaps some institutions are affected more than others.Seven_Eleven said:
They walked away long ago, before the NIL and semi-pro mercenary rule changes. They only were drawn back in for a miracle run that happened in large part because we got a home run through the portal with Penix. Now they claim to have walked away again.YellowSnow said:
It's happened here.Seven_Eleven said:This isn't changing. Get used to it, or stop watching if you want, but the idea that people are going to walk away from the sport en masse is wishful thinking brought on because we are on the sphincter end of a balls deep ass-raping. The playoff, conference consolidation/relegation paid college players, etc. is going to draw eyes to the sport. Controversy and turmoil it causes will only create more conversation and eyes as people love controversy and tune it to it way more than they do when things are calm.
The fans walking away talk is the same as people that say they are leaving the country based on election results. It doesn't happen.
Sure @PurpleBaze and @Swaye cum here for the malarkey, but will they ever have the same passion for UW football that once existed?
...we'll see.
Even if they do stay unengaged. Even if every person you see complaining in every corner of the internet stopped watching forever today, it wouldn't be a drop in the bucket. A bunch of old guys no longer being the target audience of a product? Shocker.
I don't watch reality entertainment. But it remains popular. Again, if you want to say the sport is no longer for you, that's fine. But my money on the sport doing just fine moving forward.
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I cant wait for UW to announce the new DC and be pulled right back in
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Alabama, Mississippi, West Virginia, Oregon etc. will never have NFL teams. Places like Texas, Georgia, and Ohio have the appetite to support both for now. The rest of us are nostalgia driven retards for thinking college football can ever be the sport we fell in love with.
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(Based on my memory), after the 1919 Black Sox scandal, the MLB teams were concerned about fans losing faith in the game and that they would lose interest. So they hired Judge Kennesaw Mountain Landis and granted him full power to rule over the league. I think he was the one that gave Shoeless Joe Jackson the lifetime ban. According to a book I read in the 1990s, bringing in Landis was critical to saving the game. College football teams might end up resorting to this if things become such a mess that fans start losing interest. To restore a sense of structure and law and order.Houhusky said:Non of these ideas work because the schools are independent. Any idea to collectively restrict the contractors/employee "student" athletes bargaining power will lose in court. Almost any restriction from the NCAA or a conference will violate the Sherman Act, which prohibits "contracts, combinations, or conspiracies in restraint of trade or commerce" (First Bannon v NCAA and now strengthened in NCAA v Alston, 2021)
The NFL/MLB/NBA dodge many of the anti trust lawsuits/restrictions because they are really just a single entity and the teams are franchises in conjunction with congressionally passed Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961. (also a bunch of nonsensical specific MLB carve outs about culture and tradition and inconsistently applied restrictions on interstate commerce from 1922).
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Your memory is right. Ultimately, he stayed too long and delayed many of the critical changes to baseball including desegregation.
In college football, the TV money is so huge now, so different from 1990s and earlier. Conferences need to pay players in order to regain control of the sport… tradeoffs.
BIG and SEC will pay the highest, something like 150k per scholarship player in excess of tuition, room and board. 3 year bilateral commitment from the school and player. Non-punitive Transfers allowed only after year 3. Player can leave the program before but surrenders income, sits out a year and loses that year of eligibility. Making an 85 roster spot becomes gold.
Only once you make some financial commitment by conferences can you impose meaningful restrictions. It works to be a 12mm annual commitment about 12% of the new TV deal. NIL still exists. Athletic departments can still fund. Big 12 ACC MW conferences do the same but at lower dollar amounts commensurate with their Tv contracts.
