Two schools of thought on NIL
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My opinion. Top picks leave. But more players stay that aren't Williams or Harrison
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I’m calling bullshit on that. No way schools are coming up with that kind of cash to keep a guy for one year. Especially not a WR. That would be financial suicide.
I agree that it makes total sense for guys who are mid round picks. It takes some of the financial pressure off and makes betting on themselves less risky. Especially for a guy like McMillan who was hurt most of the year. That said, if he wants to go ham the next two games, pop off, win a natty, and be a 2nd round pick, then more power to him. -
I think NIL is actually going to increase the quality of play in college because the 3-4 round players that maybe would have left early will stay and make the same amount of money. We'll get more seniors playing in college.
But, yeah, guys like Williams and Harrison are taking the NFL money. -
Which brings me back to the point I made earlier… players like Polk and McMillan can make a shit load of bag money in college or face the possibility of being benched and or cut in the NFL. Mario Bailey was drafted in the 5th round he was cut.
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Yeah, there's a real compelling case for both of those guys to come back. Pre-NIL I think it's a lock that they're gone. No warning.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Which brings me back to the point I made earlier… players like Polk and McMillan can make a shit load of bag money in college or face the possibility of being benched and or cut in the NFL. Mario Bailey was drafted in the 5th round he was cut.
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Mario Bailey was also 5'7" and 160 poundsNeGgaPlEaSe said:Which brings me back to the point I made earlier… players like Polk and McMillan can make a shit load of bag money in college or face the possibility of being benched and or cut in the NFL. Mario Bailey was drafted in the 5th round he was cut.
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But someone drafted him right??? Don’t forget Coach Roberts was coaching for Houston at that time too (It was Al Roberts who convinced Cincinnati to draft Dillon)DerekJohnson said:
Mario Bailey was also 5'7" and 160 poundsNeGgaPlEaSe said:Which brings me back to the point I made earlier… players like Polk and McMillan can make a shit load of bag money in college or face the possibility of being benched and or cut in the NFL. Mario Bailey was drafted in the 5th round he was cut.
And most importantly he wasn’t cut for being small .what GM would waste a pick on those stats that are clearly on paper Derek? Come on man you are way more intelligent than that to make such a non thought out statement -
Not an Army Ranger?DerekJohnson said:
Mario Bailey was also 5'7" and 160 poundsNeGgaPlEaSe said:Which brings me back to the point I made earlier… players like Polk and McMillan can make a shit load of bag money in college or face the possibility of being benched and or cut in the NFL. Mario Bailey was drafted in the 5th round he was cut.
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If you are not in the first round, depending on the school I imagine you can get money to compete against that. I can only imagine how much money is being funneled from Phil Knight to players. I’d be doing the same thing.
I feel this takes pressure off recruiting, because it allows high talent players to be losses, then gained again in the transfer portal. I miss the days of getting Shaq and celebrating every day like those guys were the future, but now the portal can change all that.
The problem; I don’t feel like we have the biggest volume of cash flow from boosters/tyee to match that of others. Hopefully I’m wrong, but dang, what an opportunity to keep/get talent.
If I were a 2nd to late pick and I’d make more money doing what I’ve loved at my school for another year before going into a major pool of players at the No Fun League, I’d probably stay too. -
It’s absolutely going to increase the quality of play in college. I think it’ll also increase the quality of players going into the NFL because guys will be more developed and have more experience when they hit the draft. You also won’t have guys who grew up with nothing trying to jump to the NFL before they should, going undrafted, and ending up fucked. I think this is going to be a positive across the board. The only exception is that lower level schools are going to be treated as feeder programs, which sucks ass for those schools, but winners win. It’s going to be a process getting it dialed in, and there’s definitely going to be an arms race aspect to it, but it’s going to increase the quality of football played at the highest level.houseofpain247 said:I think NIL is actually going to increase the quality of play in college because the 3-4 round players that maybe would have left early will stay and make the same amount of money. We'll get more seniors playing in college.
But, yeah, guys like Williams and Harrison are taking the NFL money. -
My understanding is it’s not the schools. It’s the collectives that are helping to “negotiate” these deals. Primes boys for example are on Amazon commercials and then the family commercial for some fast food place, forget which one. I’m sure they have others. I saw about 4 dudes in a celsius commercial during one of the games. Then rome and Penix getting that adidas money.EsophagealFeces said:I’m calling bullshit on that. No way schools are coming up with that kind of cash to keep a guy for one year. Especially not a WR. That would be financial suicide.
I agree that it makes total sense for guys who are mid round picks. It takes some of the financial pressure off and makes betting on themselves less risky. Especially for a guy like McMillan who was hurt most of the year. That said, if he wants to go ham the next two games, pop off, win a natty, and be a 2nd round pick, then more power to him.
The money is there just for the top top most marketable guys.
To your point, it’s a tougher decision for the mid round guys.
I would lean towards going with #2 because you have to get to that second contract sooner than later.
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If you're going to knock 5'7" and 160 pounds, then I'm out.DerekJohnson said:
Mario Bailey was also 5'7" and 160 poundsNeGgaPlEaSe said:Which brings me back to the point I made earlier… players like Polk and McMillan can make a shit load of bag money in college or face the possibility of being benched and or cut in the NFL. Mario Bailey was drafted in the 5th round he was cut.
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I just looked it up. Mario was drafted in the 6th round by Houston.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
But someone drafted him right??? Don’t forget Coach Roberts was coaching for Houston at that time too (It was Al Roberts who convinced Cincinnati to draft Dillon)DerekJohnson said:
Mario Bailey was also 5'7" and 160 poundsNeGgaPlEaSe said:Which brings me back to the point I made earlier… players like Polk and McMillan can make a shit load of bag money in college or face the possibility of being benched and or cut in the NFL. Mario Bailey was drafted in the 5th round he was cut.
And most importantly he wasn’t cut for being small .what GM would waste a pick on those stats that are clearly on paper Derek? Come on man you are way more intelligent to make such a non thought out statement
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College basketball and the NBA are both failing because of one and done. Nobody knows the players and they spend time in the NBA on the bench instead of starring in collegeEsophagealFeces said:
It’s absolutely going to increase the quality of play in college. I think it’ll also increase the quality of players going into the NFL because guys will be more developed and have more experience when they hit the draft. You also won’t have guys who grew up with nothing trying to jump to the NFL before they should, going undrafted, and ending up fucked. I think this is going to be a positive across the board. The only exception is that lower level schools are going to be treated as feeder programs, which sucks ass for those schools, but winners win. It’s going to be a process getting it dialed in, and there’s definitely going to be an arms race aspect to it, but it’s going to increase the quality of football played at the highest level.houseofpain247 said:I think NIL is actually going to increase the quality of play in college because the 3-4 round players that maybe would have left early will stay and make the same amount of money. We'll get more seniors playing in college.
But, yeah, guys like Williams and Harrison are taking the NFL money.
I understand they get paid great doing this. It is what it is
College football delivers ready made stars with name recognition. And now they get paid legally
Win win -
What a great pointRaceBannon said:
College basketball and the NBA are both failing because of one and done. Nobody knows the players and they spend time in the NBA on the bench instead of starring in collegeEsophagealFeces said:
It’s absolutely going to increase the quality of play in college. I think it’ll also increase the quality of players going into the NFL because guys will be more developed and have more experience when they hit the draft. You also won’t have guys who grew up with nothing trying to jump to the NFL before they should, going undrafted, and ending up fucked. I think this is going to be a positive across the board. The only exception is that lower level schools are going to be treated as feeder programs, which sucks ass for those schools, but winners win. It’s going to be a process getting it dialed in, and there’s definitely going to be an arms race aspect to it, but it’s going to increase the quality of football played at the highest level.houseofpain247 said:I think NIL is actually going to increase the quality of play in college because the 3-4 round players that maybe would have left early will stay and make the same amount of money. We'll get more seniors playing in college.
But, yeah, guys like Williams and Harrison are taking the NFL money.
I understand they get paid great doing this. It is what it is
College football delivers ready made stars with name recognition. And now they get paid legally
Win win -
I know it’s not the schools themselves, but you know they have a hand in it. What’s a better use of NIL money: $25 million to one guy or a couple here, couple there to guys that are portalling in and improving your team? If you have unlimited money then whatever, but few schools out there, if any, have that kind of support. I get that Marvin Harrison is more marketable, so he’d command more money, but I’m not sure it makes sense on the field.dirtysouwfdawg said:
My understanding is it’s not the schools. It’s the collectives that are helping to “negotiate” these deals. Primes boys for example are on Amazon commercials and then the family commercial for some fast food place, forget which one. I’m sure they have others. I saw about 4 dudes in a celsius commercial during one of the games. Then rome and Penix getting that adidas money.EsophagealFeces said:I’m calling bullshit on that. No way schools are coming up with that kind of cash to keep a guy for one year. Especially not a WR. That would be financial suicide.
I agree that it makes total sense for guys who are mid round picks. It takes some of the financial pressure off and makes betting on themselves less risky. Especially for a guy like McMillan who was hurt most of the year. That said, if he wants to go ham the next two games, pop off, win a natty, and be a 2nd round pick, then more power to him.
The money is there just for the top top most marketable guys.
To your point, it’s a tougher decision for the mid round guys.
I would lean towards going with #2 because you have to get to that second contract sooner than later.
My two cents. -
The cash flow is interesting. If the marketing actually works, then in theory it's limitless as it would pay for itself multiple times over and it would only escalate.Postal91 said:If you are not in the first round, depending on the school I imagine you can get money to compete against that. I can only imagine how much money is being funneled from Phil Knight to players. I’d be doing the same thing.
I feel this takes pressure off recruiting, because it allows high talent players to be losses, then gained again in the transfer portal. I miss the days of getting Shaq and celebrating every day like those guys were the future, but now the portal can change all that.
The problem; I don’t feel like we have the biggest volume of cash flow from boosters/tyee to match that of others. Hopefully I’m wrong, but dang, what an opportunity to keep/get talent.
If I were a 2nd to late pick and I’d make more money doing what I’ve loved at my school for another year before going into a major pool of players at the No Fun League, I’d probably stay too.
My guess is that we are in the bubble phase of all of this. The nerds will eventually determine that the vast majority of marketing dollars did not pay for itself, and there will be a big pullback across the board, not just here, but everywhere. The spend will get more targeted over time.
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It’s going to make college football even more top heavy.
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In the long run, I agree. Short run, probably more parity. Might only take one bad NIL deal outcome for a mid size spender to say, "fuck it, we're out."PineapplePirate said:It’s going to make college football even more top heavy.
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Come on man… being drafted is being drafted. Someone had all the measurements and drafted him. They scrutinized everything including being 162 lbs. This is exactly my point he was drafted and cut and there were reasons why that have nothing to do with being 5’6 160 pounds. Some people are made for NFL some are not . They have the opportunity to make a ton of NIL money now to stay in school , rather than risk being drafted undrafted and being cut . Billy Joe would have made more money NIL than he did as a proDerekJohnson said:
I just looked it up. Mario was drafted in the 6th round by Houston.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
But someone drafted him right??? Don’t forget Coach Roberts was coaching for Houston at that time too (It was Al Roberts who convinced Cincinnati to draft Dillon)DerekJohnson said:
Mario Bailey was also 5'7" and 160 poundsNeGgaPlEaSe said:Which brings me back to the point I made earlier… players like Polk and McMillan can make a shit load of bag money in college or face the possibility of being benched and or cut in the NFL. Mario Bailey was drafted in the 5th round he was cut.
And most importantly he wasn’t cut for being small .what GM would waste a pick on those stats that are clearly on paper Derek? Come on man you are way more intelligent to make such a non thought out statement
Number of NFL games played: 0
Number of NFL receptions: 0
Number of NFL TD receptions: 0
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As long as we're heavyPineapplePirate said:It’s going to make college football even more top heavy.
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UW can get real creative and should have the resources/cleverness to drive up some $$$. I saw a notice for an NIL get together and though not sure why they sent it to me, (million dollars short of being a millionaire) it was good to see they are going after it.Bob_C said:
The cash flow is interesting. If the marketing actually works, then in theory it's limitless as it would pay for itself multiple times over and it would only escalate.
My guess is that we are in the bubble phase of all of this. The nerds will eventually determine that the vast majority of marketing dollars did not pay for itself, and there will be a big pullback across the board, not just here, but everywhere. The spend will get more targeted over time. -
Isn't the point he was drafted and cut? Was he cut for being small or because he wasnt a productive player. Meaning he didn't get a large payout to play professionally. Mario bailey would be paid a ton in this NIL market.DerekJohnson said:
I just looked it up. Mario was drafted in the 6th round by Houston.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
But someone drafted him right??? Don’t forget Coach Roberts was coaching for Houston at that time too (It was Al Roberts who convinced Cincinnati to draft Dillon)DerekJohnson said:
Mario Bailey was also 5'7" and 160 poundsNeGgaPlEaSe said:Which brings me back to the point I made earlier… players like Polk and McMillan can make a shit load of bag money in college or face the possibility of being benched and or cut in the NFL. Mario Bailey was drafted in the 5th round he was cut.
And most importantly he wasn’t cut for being small .what GM would waste a pick on those stats that are clearly on paper Derek? Come on man you are way more intelligent to make such a non thought out statement
Number of NFL games played: 0
Number of NFL receptions: 0
Number of NFL TD receptions: 0
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Exactly the point. Players can get NIL money which is a lot in some cases, more than earning 60k a year for 20 years as an anversge college graduate. Derek said he was cut for being “small” which is untrueAtomicDawg said:
Isn't the point he was drafted and cut? Was he cut for being small or because he wasnt a productive player. Meaning he didn't get a large payout to play professionally. Mario bailey would be paid a ton in this NIL market.DerekJohnson said:
I just looked it up. Mario was drafted in the 6th round by Houston.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
But someone drafted him right??? Don’t forget Coach Roberts was coaching for Houston at that time too (It was Al Roberts who convinced Cincinnati to draft Dillon)DerekJohnson said:
Mario Bailey was also 5'7" and 160 poundsNeGgaPlEaSe said:Which brings me back to the point I made earlier… players like Polk and McMillan can make a shit load of bag money in college or face the possibility of being benched and or cut in the NFL. Mario Bailey was drafted in the 5th round he was cut.
And most importantly he wasn’t cut for being small .what GM would waste a pick on those stats that are clearly on paper Derek? Come on man you are way more intelligent to make such a non thought out statement
Number of NFL games played: 0
Number of NFL receptions: 0
Number of NFL TD receptions: 0
You're not really making a compelling point.
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DeBoer is making me look like a fucking fool for hating the idea of unrestricted free agency and paying the kids.RaceBannon said:
College basketball and the NBA are both failing because of one and done. Nobody knows the players and they spend time in the NBA on the bench instead of starring in collegeEsophagealFeces said:
It’s absolutely going to increase the quality of play in college. I think it’ll also increase the quality of players going into the NFL because guys will be more developed and have more experience when they hit the draft. You also won’t have guys who grew up with nothing trying to jump to the NFL before they should, going undrafted, and ending up fucked. I think this is going to be a positive across the board. The only exception is that lower level schools are going to be treated as feeder programs, which sucks ass for those schools, but winners win. It’s going to be a process getting it dialed in, and there’s definitely going to be an arms race aspect to it, but it’s going to increase the quality of football played at the highest level.houseofpain247 said:I think NIL is actually going to increase the quality of play in college because the 3-4 round players that maybe would have left early will stay and make the same amount of money. We'll get more seniors playing in college.
But, yeah, guys like Williams and Harrison are taking the NFL money.
I understand they get paid great doing this. It is what it is
College football delivers ready made stars with name recognition. And now they get paid legally
Win win
But I'm not a Group of 5 (or shit tier Power 5) fan. Keep sending us your best guysm IU and @SECDAWG . -
Hopefully. My point was more that a lot companies have incubator marketing spend budgeted to test stuff like NIL out. If it works, it goes into regular budgeting and we have big bags forever. If it fails, it gets replaced with another test. At some point it will actually have to work for it to stick around.Postal91 said:
UW can get real creative and should have the resources/cleverness to drive up some $$$. I saw a notice for an NIL get together and though not sure why they sent it to me, (million dollars short of being a millionaire) it was good to see they are going after it.Bob_C said:
The cash flow is interesting. If the marketing actually works, then in theory it's limitless as it would pay for itself multiple times over and it would only escalate.
My guess is that we are in the bubble phase of all of this. The nerds will eventually determine that the vast majority of marketing dollars did not pay for itself, and there will be a big pullback across the board, not just here, but everywhere. The spend will get more targeted over time.
That's where the creativity can come in, UW itself will need to help juice up the ROI for the businesses that makes them stick around past the testing phase. -
Ok, I got ya. I think there’s different types of NIL money in play here. You have the money the school is more connected with where the kids go fishing with troubled youth and earn a few thousand dollars here and there. Pretty sure some are using that as opportunities to use booster “nil” dollars to give a kid like conerly three quarters of a million or whatever he earned or give the kid a car and apartment. I remember JT Daniels having some outlandish requests.EsophagealFeces said:
I know it’s not the schools themselves, but you know they have a hand in it. What’s a better use of NIL money: $25 million to one guy or a couple here, couple there to guys that are portalling in and improving your team? If you have unlimited money then whatever, but few schools out there, if any, have that kind of support. I get that Marvin Harrison is more marketable, so he’d command more money, but I’m not sure it makes sense on the field.dirtysouwfdawg said:
My understanding is it’s not the schools. It’s the collectives that are helping to “negotiate” these deals. Primes boys for example are on Amazon commercials and then the family commercial for some fast food place, forget which one. I’m sure they have others. I saw about 4 dudes in a celsius commercial during one of the games. Then rome and Penix getting that adidas money.EsophagealFeces said:I’m calling bullshit on that. No way schools are coming up with that kind of cash to keep a guy for one year. Especially not a WR. That would be financial suicide.
I agree that it makes total sense for guys who are mid round picks. It takes some of the financial pressure off and makes betting on themselves less risky. Especially for a guy like McMillan who was hurt most of the year. That said, if he wants to go ham the next two games, pop off, win a natty, and be a 2nd round pick, then more power to him.
The money is there just for the top top most marketable guys.
To your point, it’s a tougher decision for the mid round guys.
I would lean towards going with #2 because you have to get to that second contract sooner than later.
My two cents.
Then you have these big brands where some of these kids are making bank. Amazon, Celsius, Adidas, etc. I don’t believe the schools have much to say about that when the big brands are seeking specific players though I could be wrong.
Either way, fuck the kids. -
Yeah, I think there are probably more aspects to it than we know. Lot of moving pieces, and a lot of money flying around.dirtysouwfdawg said:
Ok, I got ya. I think there’s different types of NIL money in play here. You have the money the school is more connected with where the kids go fishing with troubled youth and earn a few thousand dollars here and there. Pretty sure some are using that as opportunities to use booster “nil” dollars to give a kid like conerly three quarters of a million or whatever he earned or give the kid a car and apartment. I remember JT Daniels having some outlandish requests.EsophagealFeces said:
I know it’s not the schools themselves, but you know they have a hand in it. What’s a better use of NIL money: $25 million to one guy or a couple here, couple there to guys that are portalling in and improving your team? If you have unlimited money then whatever, but few schools out there, if any, have that kind of support. I get that Marvin Harrison is more marketable, so he’d command more money, but I’m not sure it makes sense on the field.dirtysouwfdawg said:
My understanding is it’s not the schools. It’s the collectives that are helping to “negotiate” these deals. Primes boys for example are on Amazon commercials and then the family commercial for some fast food place, forget which one. I’m sure they have others. I saw about 4 dudes in a celsius commercial during one of the games. Then rome and Penix getting that adidas money.EsophagealFeces said:I’m calling bullshit on that. No way schools are coming up with that kind of cash to keep a guy for one year. Especially not a WR. That would be financial suicide.
I agree that it makes total sense for guys who are mid round picks. It takes some of the financial pressure off and makes betting on themselves less risky. Especially for a guy like McMillan who was hurt most of the year. That said, if he wants to go ham the next two games, pop off, win a natty, and be a 2nd round pick, then more power to him.
The money is there just for the top top most marketable guys.
To your point, it’s a tougher decision for the mid round guys.
I would lean towards going with #2 because you have to get to that second contract sooner than later.
My two cents.
Then you have these big brands where some of these kids are making bank. Amazon, Celsius, Adidas, etc. I don’t believe the schools have much to say about that when the big brands are seeking specific players though I could be wrong.
Either way, fuck the kids. -
Off topic but he is one ugly mother fucker
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You think you're making a point again but its not there. We will agree to disagreeNeGgaPlEaSe said:
Come on man… being drafted is being drafted. Someone had all the measurements and drafted him. They scrutinized everything including being 162 lbs. This is exactly my point he was drafted and cut and there were reasons why that have nothing to do with being 5’6 160 pounds. Some people are made for NFL some are not . They have the opportunity to make a ton of NIL money now to stay in school , rather than risk being drafted undrafted and being cut . Billy Joe would have made more money NIL than he did as a proDerekJohnson said:
I just looked it up. Mario was drafted in the 6th round by Houston.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
But someone drafted him right??? Don’t forget Coach Roberts was coaching for Houston at that time too (It was Al Roberts who convinced Cincinnati to draft Dillon)DerekJohnson said:
Mario Bailey was also 5'7" and 160 poundsNeGgaPlEaSe said:Which brings me back to the point I made earlier… players like Polk and McMillan can make a shit load of bag money in college or face the possibility of being benched and or cut in the NFL. Mario Bailey was drafted in the 5th round he was cut.
And most importantly he wasn’t cut for being small .what GM would waste a pick on those stats that are clearly on paper Derek? Come on man you are way more intelligent to make such a non thought out statement
Number of NFL games played: 0
Number of NFL receptions: 0
Number of NFL TD receptions: 0
You're not really making a compelling point. -
Mario was Andrew Luck’s favorite player growing up as a young lad in Germany. It’s true.DerekJohnson said:
I just looked it up. Mario was drafted in the 6th round by Houston.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
But someone drafted him right??? Don’t forget Coach Roberts was coaching for Houston at that time too (It was Al Roberts who convinced Cincinnati to draft Dillon)DerekJohnson said:
Mario Bailey was also 5'7" and 160 poundsNeGgaPlEaSe said:Which brings me back to the point I made earlier… players like Polk and McMillan can make a shit load of bag money in college or face the possibility of being benched and or cut in the NFL. Mario Bailey was drafted in the 5th round he was cut.
And most importantly he wasn’t cut for being small .what GM would waste a pick on those stats that are clearly on paper Derek? Come on man you are way more intelligent to make such a non thought out statement
Number of NFL games played: 0
Number of NFL receptions: 0
Number of NFL TD receptions: 0
You're not really making a compelling point.
