Penix & wr speculation
If Grubb doesn’t design a game plan to make his life easier on Friday there will be seppuku on the forum.
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If he looked even remotely hurt in any of the last five games I might believe it. But he's looking physically fine - no limping (he's actually initiating contact more than ever before), his throwing mechanics look normal, and his arm strength is 100% there.
I think this is 100% on Grubb. I'm not smart enough to know the finer details here, but Penix looks like he's being asked to make elite throws with a consistency that not even NFL starters regularly achieve. And this is snowballing into frustration and the elite throws are devolving into huge whiffs. Grubb needs to give his QB some easy buckets to get back on track. And apparently he needs to do this in five days. -
I think DeBoer is gonna do the offensive game plan himself for Friday. Holding the play sheet against Cuog signals frustration with his play caller.
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Definitely possible, but if Deboer was calling plays yesterday, he sucks tooTheHB said:I think DeBoer is gonna do the offensive game plan himself for Friday. Holding the play sheet against Cuog signals frustration with his play caller.
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I think the pressure of being undefeated has gotten to Penix and the rest of the team. He knows he’s played like shit down the stretch and that was the cause of his lil postgame meltdown yesterday.
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Defense is trending up passing game trending down due to pressure? The defense is rallying to the challenge.
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Grubb went from "I wonder if we can keep him another year" to "why is he the highest payed OC in the country" in half a season
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My two cents. Our offense is built around Penix and his accuracy, and looks great when he is having a great day, and looks bad when he isn't.
That is a lot of pressure to put on a young man... he almost through a pick at the end of the Apple cup.
If we had a slightly better running game and slightly better play calling, it would take some of the pressure off of Penix.
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As much as we all like to crap on Grubb, DeBoer has let it all happen.EsophagealFeces said:
Definitely possible, but if Deboer was calling plays yesterday, he sucks tooTheHB said:I think DeBoer is gonna do the offensive game plan himself for Friday. Holding the play sheet against Cuog signals frustration with his play caller.
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I’d have to think if Penix was actually PHYSICALLY injured, they wouldn’t have run him as much as they have or do QB sneaks. They also haven’t slowed down the bomb throws and taken a more Bo Nix approach of behind the kind of scrimmage or or short throws in the middle of the field. He also doesn’t show any grimacing or pain behavior between throws or plays.
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Almost two picks!HairyBallsDawg said:
My two cents. Our offense is built around Penix and his accuracy, and looks great when he is having a great day, and looks bad when he isn't.
That is a lot of pressure to put on a young man... he almost through a pick at the end of the Apple cup.
If we had a slightly better running game and slightly better play calling, it would take some of the pressure off of Penix.
I think the pressure is just getting to him. -
The guy is hurt and has been playing through it... last year and the first games of 2023 he was throwing dimes with absolute accuracy at a rate of 78% [first 6 games this year, don't know the number for last year] and now he is throwing even short passes with an adventure to be hauled in by the receivers. So he is HURT and has been playing through it. Yes he ahs still made some big plays, but his accuracy is obviously not the same and its not in his head, its his body which is undoubtedly affecting his headspace as well, but it the body he has been struggling with. Could not be more clear ~ at least that is my take.
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I'd be shocked if he's not hurt in some capacity at least. If he goes two full seasons at UW without ever missing a single play due to injury that's a win.TheRoarOfTheCrowd said:The guy is hurt and has been playing through it... last year and the first games of 2023 he was throwing dimes with absolute accuracy at a rate of 78% [first 6 games this year, don't know the number for last year] and now he is throwing even short passes with an adventure to be hauled in by the receivers. So he is HURT and has been playing through it. Yes he ahs still made some big plays, but his accuracy is obviously not the same and its not in his head, its his body which is undoubtedly affecting his headspace as well, but it the body he has been struggling with. Could not be more clear ~ at least that is my take.
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It would be sweet if there was some type of route that ran closer to where the QB was on a play. Maybe use a bigger player that has good hands so he has a big targetHairyBallsDawg said:My two cents. Our offense is built around Penix and his accuracy, and looks great when he is having a great day, and looks bad when he isn't.
That is a lot of pressure to put on a young man... he almost through a pick at the end of the Apple cup.
If we had a slightly better running game and slightly better play calling, it would take some of the pressure off of Penix.
I think the pressure is just getting to him. -
They need to give Polk a couple easy balls to get his head back into it like the did with JMac. Having all the receivers 100% is important here on out.
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Play better. It's hard.
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GreenRiverGatorz said:
If he looked even remotely hurt in any of the last five games I might believe it. But he's looking physically fine - no limping (he's actually initiating contact more than ever before), his throwing mechanics look normal, and his arm strength is 100% there.
I think this is 100% on Grubb. I'm not smart enough to know the finer details here, but Penix looks like he's being asked to make elite throws with a consistency that not even NFL starters regularly achieve. And this is snowballing into frustration and the elite throws are devolving into huge whiffs. Grubb needs to give his QB some easy buckets to get back on track. And apparently he needs to do this in five days.
I agree with this. Penix is overthrowing dudes, not underthrowing them. Usually hurt Qbs loft up Ducks.
Penix was also LEAPING into the air multiple times after good, or bad, plays.
I think he is just stressed the fuck out by our insanely difficult schedule literally filled with high pressure moments in close games.
The team will either grow from that trial by fire or be exhausted.
I'm not betting against DeBoer. -
+1. dude looked stressed. cant be easy, hope he can get well by next week.PostGameOrangeSlices said:GreenRiverGatorz said:If he looked even remotely hurt in any of the last five games I might believe it. But he's looking physically fine - no limping (he's actually initiating contact more than ever before), his throwing mechanics look normal, and his arm strength is 100% there.
I think this is 100% on Grubb. I'm not smart enough to know the finer details here, but Penix looks like he's being asked to make elite throws with a consistency that not even NFL starters regularly achieve. And this is snowballing into frustration and the elite throws are devolving into huge whiffs. Grubb needs to give his QB some easy buckets to get back on track. And apparently he needs to do this in five days.
I agree with this. Penix is overthrowing dudes, not underthrowing them. Usually hurt Qbs loft up Ducks.
Penix was also LEAPING into the air multiple times after good, or bad, plays.
I think he is just stressed the fuck out by our insanely difficult schedule literally filled with high pressure moments in close games.
The team will either grow from that trial by fire or be exhausted.
I'm not betting against DeBoer. -
Wrong thread, fuck me
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I’ve gathered from this thread that Penix is hurt.
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GreenRiverGatorz said:
Wrong fuck, thread me
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He had started using his legs and they had even called qb runs in the red zone the last two games prior to wazzu. He didn't scramble much if at all on Saturday. The most puzzling thing was his inaccuracy as it really hasn't been an issue for two years and then it was horrible for the apple cup. Could be injury related but who knows.GreenRiverGatorz said:If he looked even remotely hurt in any of the last five games I might believe it. But he's looking physically fine - no limping (he's actually initiating contact more than ever before), his throwing mechanics look normal, and his arm strength is 100% there.
I think this is 100% on Grubb. I'm not smart enough to know the finer details here, but Penix looks like he's being asked to make elite throws with a consistency that not even NFL starters regularly achieve. And this is snowballing into frustration and the elite throws are devolving into huge whiffs. Grubb needs to give his QB some easy buckets to get back on track. And apparently he needs to do this in five days. -
I'm a baseball guy, but throwing is throwing, and we are talking about velocity and accuracy...AtomicDawg said:
He had started using his legs and they had even called qb runs in the red zone the last two games prior to wazzu. He didn't scramble much if at all on Saturday. The most puzzling thing was his inaccuracy as it really hasn't been an issue for two years and then it was horrible for the apple cup. Could be injury related but who knows.GreenRiverGatorz said:If he looked even remotely hurt in any of the last five games I might believe it. But he's looking physically fine - no limping (he's actually initiating contact more than ever before), his throwing mechanics look normal, and his arm strength is 100% there.
I think this is 100% on Grubb. I'm not smart enough to know the finer details here, but Penix looks like he's being asked to make elite throws with a consistency that not even NFL starters regularly achieve. And this is snowballing into frustration and the elite throws are devolving into huge whiffs. Grubb needs to give his QB some easy buckets to get back on track. And apparently he needs to do this in five days.
As pitchers fatigue, the command/control is the first tell...misses are arm-side, and high. That is what I've been seeing with MP
If a pitcher has a "tweak", ie: something doesn't feel right, it most definitely affects his commitment to the pitch. Pitchers are not taught to throw to the target, they are taught to throw through the target, full commitment, extension and finish. He hasn't had that commitment since Oregon...lots of back-shoulder stuff and feathering balls, but I haven't seen the heater into the tight window like before.
Any glitch in the delivery system derails it...even slight pain (not just in the arm), anticipation of pain, or recent history of pain is a factor. It is why many Tommy John guys take 18-24 months to rehab...the injury is repaired and healed, but they don't trust that it won't bark if they cut it loose. TJ guys that make it all the way back are some of the toughest MF'ers in sports, mentally, because they have to re-learn to throw, then re-learn to pitch, and then trust it.
IF Mike has shoulder issues, I'm betting it is on the back side, in the muscles that control deceleration...he looks the same, but isn't finishing the fastball off. If he has rib issues, it is in anticipation of the stab at the finish.
My 2 scents...
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Hell of a time to have a mental breakdown.PostGameOrangeSlices said:GreenRiverGatorz said:If he looked even remotely hurt in any of the last five games I might believe it. But he's looking physically fine - no limping (he's actually initiating contact more than ever before), his throwing mechanics look normal, and his arm strength is 100% there.
I think this is 100% on Grubb. I'm not smart enough to know the finer details here, but Penix looks like he's being asked to make elite throws with a consistency that not even NFL starters regularly achieve. And this is snowballing into frustration and the elite throws are devolving into huge whiffs. Grubb needs to give his QB some easy buckets to get back on track. And apparently he needs to do this in five days.
I agree with this. Penix is overthrowing dudes, not underthrowing them. Usually hurt Qbs loft up Ducks.
Penix was also LEAPING into the air multiple times after good, or bad, plays.
I think he is just stressed the fuck out by our insanely difficult schedule literally filled with high pressure moments in close games.
The team will either grow from that trial by fire or be exhausted.
I'm not betting against DeBoer. -
I’ve been rewatching the earlier games and he was a different guy. Up through the first half of Oregon.Fishpo31 said:
I'm a baseball guy, but throwing is throwing, and we are talking about velocity and accuracy...AtomicDawg said:
He had started using his legs and they had even called qb runs in the red zone the last two games prior to wazzu. He didn't scramble much if at all on Saturday. The most puzzling thing was his inaccuracy as it really hasn't been an issue for two years and then it was horrible for the apple cup. Could be injury related but who knows.GreenRiverGatorz said:If he looked even remotely hurt in any of the last five games I might believe it. But he's looking physically fine - no limping (he's actually initiating contact more than ever before), his throwing mechanics look normal, and his arm strength is 100% there.
I think this is 100% on Grubb. I'm not smart enough to know the finer details here, but Penix looks like he's being asked to make elite throws with a consistency that not even NFL starters regularly achieve. And this is snowballing into frustration and the elite throws are devolving into huge whiffs. Grubb needs to give his QB some easy buckets to get back on track. And apparently he needs to do this in five days.
As pitchers fatigue, the command/control is the first tell...misses are arm-side, and high. That is what I've been seeing with MP
If a pitcher has a "tweak", ie: something doesn't feel right, it most definitely affects his commitment to the pitch. Pitchers are not taught to throw to the target, they are taught to throw through the target, full commitment, extension and finish. He hasn't had that commitment since Oregon...lots of back-shoulder stuff and feathering balls, but I haven't seen the heater into the tight window like before.
Any glitch in the delivery system derails it...even slight pain (not just in the arm), anticipation of pain, or recent history of pain is a factor. It is why many Tommy John guys take 18-24 months to rehab...the injury is repaired and healed, but they don't trust that it won't bark if they cut it loose. TJ guys that make it all the way back are some of the toughest MF'ers in sports, mentally, because they have to re-learn to throw, then re-learn to pitch, and then trust it.
IF Mike has shoulder issues, I'm betting it is on the back side, in the muscles that control deceleration...he looks the same, but isn't finishing the fastball off. If he has rib issues, it is in anticipation of the stab at the finish.
My 2 scents...
Very crisp and playing in rhythm hitting guys with velocity and touch, in stride.
I tend to think at the least he’s physically and mentally fatigued. Every pass is an adventure. -
I think a lot of poasters are physically and mentally fatigued.
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I think Penix is as disgusted as the average poster.TheHB said:I think a lot of poasters are physically and mentally fatigued.
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I recall the staff gave Penix a lot of off days during fall camp due to some kind of arm issue (precautionary style, but still).
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That might explain his crying in a supply box.jecornel said:I have zero insight on this but I’m wondering if Mike is so banged up they are limiting practice reps to the bare minimum. The offense is so out of sync it could be a real possibility.
If Grubb doesn’t design a game plan to make his life easier on Friday there will be seppuku on the forum. -
Postgame presser Deboer comes out with some borderline Petersen lines about cleaning stuff up.Kingdome_Urinals said:
I think Penix is as disgusted as the average poster.TheHB said:I think a lot of poasters are physically and mentally fatigued.
2 minutes later Penix keeps saying the offense isnt good enough and they need to be better. -
That was some weird shit. He looked like he left in a body bag. The double entendre was palpable. That offense has no gas in the tank.Kaepsknee said:
That might explain his crying in a supply box.jecornel said:I have zero insight on this but I’m wondering if Mike is so banged up they are limiting practice reps to the bare minimum. The offense is so out of sync it could be a real possibility.
If Grubb doesn’t design a game plan to make his life easier on Friday there will be seppuku on the forum.
