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where is the evidence they didn't?chuck said:
You didn't write anything that comes close to refuting what I said. You cited speculation by Okie St fans and his resume. Where is the evidence that anyone above UW in the portal recruiting rankings even pursued him?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You're off base on Muhammed and Johnson. Muhammed was a Big-12 all-conference CB, there are about 5 schools total that wouldn't want him on the roster.chuck said:
Exactly.AtomicDawg said:
Big dick boosters probably had to pay a lot to keep penix, odunze, McMillan, trice and maybe fautanu. Adding Muhammad and DJ was probably not cheap either. This is more of a rebuild year so hopefully we sign more of the Muhammad's of the world on defense along with a qb.chuck said:
Well I hope so too, but I'll have to see it first.backthepack said:
New money and this success will.chuck said:
UW doesn't have much in the way of NFL talent on defense.bisonduck said:
Who’s the problem on defense?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Why firing Inge or whoever it is, won’t matter either.RaceBannon said:If Sark fires Holt and brings in Wilcocks with his offense UW will roll!!!!
It's not the coordinator
Some HCs never have good defenses. I hope not, but it's possible/probable that Deboer is one of those HCs. It obviously doesn't mean he can't win in spite of it, but it would/will prevent him from ever being a truly dominant team
No worries. UW has yet to be in serious contention for highly sought after defensive players in the portal. About half of the board swears that the portal is going to fix it though.
Problem with the portal is there are limited players with the blue bloods all pursuing them so it's not a safe bet at all. Our entire defense is likely void of difference makers next year as it stands. Maybe trice returns and reverts to his old form somehow.
Maybe I'm off base here, but I don't think Muhammed, Penix, or Johnson were real hot commodities in the portal. UW wasn't bidding against blue bloods for any of them.
If the portal is to be the savior year after years as so many seem convinced of, then UW is going to have to raise the bar, just as much with it as with HS recruiting.
UW reached out to him with a bag, apparently, or he contacted UW? Either way Okie State message boards were saying he was getting 50k lump sum to transfer plus an undisclosed amount per game he started.
Johnson also had a ton of options in the portal.
Who knows with Penix, apparently he shut down communication with other programs when his old mentor DeBoer reached out. But he was coming off 3 straight injuries and had warranted concerns about being a glass cannon. Officially, UCF was his only other offer listed. -
UW landing him is the evidence.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
where is the evidence they didn't?chuck said:
You didn't write anything that comes close to refuting what I said. You cited speculation by Okie St fans and his resume. Where is the evidence that anyone above UW in the portal recruiting rankings even pursued him?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You're off base on Muhammed and Johnson. Muhammed was a Big-12 all-conference CB, there are about 5 schools total that wouldn't want him on the roster.chuck said:
Exactly.AtomicDawg said:
Big dick boosters probably had to pay a lot to keep penix, odunze, McMillan, trice and maybe fautanu. Adding Muhammad and DJ was probably not cheap either. This is more of a rebuild year so hopefully we sign more of the Muhammad's of the world on defense along with a qb.chuck said:
Well I hope so too, but I'll have to see it first.backthepack said:
New money and this success will.chuck said:
UW doesn't have much in the way of NFL talent on defense.bisonduck said:
Who’s the problem on defense?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Why firing Inge or whoever it is, won’t matter either.RaceBannon said:If Sark fires Holt and brings in Wilcocks with his offense UW will roll!!!!
It's not the coordinator
Some HCs never have good defenses. I hope not, but it's possible/probable that Deboer is one of those HCs. It obviously doesn't mean he can't win in spite of it, but it would/will prevent him from ever being a truly dominant team
No worries. UW has yet to be in serious contention for highly sought after defensive players in the portal. About half of the board swears that the portal is going to fix it though.
Problem with the portal is there are limited players with the blue bloods all pursuing them so it's not a safe bet at all. Our entire defense is likely void of difference makers next year as it stands. Maybe trice returns and reverts to his old form somehow.
Maybe I'm off base here, but I don't think Muhammed, Penix, or Johnson were real hot commodities in the portal. UW wasn't bidding against blue bloods for any of them.
If the portal is to be the savior year after years as so many seem convinced of, then UW is going to have to raise the bar, just as much with it as with HS recruiting.
UW reached out to him with a bag, apparently, or he contacted UW? Either way Okie State message boards were saying he was getting 50k lump sum to transfer plus an undisclosed amount per game he started.
Johnson also had a ton of options in the portal.
Who knows with Penix, apparently he shut down communication with other programs when his old mentor DeBoer reached out. But he was coming off 3 straight injuries and had warranted concerns about being a glass cannon. Officially, UCF was his only other offer listed. -
Wish it was Inge and Morrell. Zero adjustments throughout the games and terrible recruitmentJoeEDangerously said:Broke the Trooj twice in a row at home. Eight years apart. “It’s been a long time.” - Holly Rowe
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Bustedbisonduck said:
I gotta go into the annals of HH and learn about this poaster.JoeEDangerously said:
Claiming you’re not Damonebisonduck said:
What did I say that was full of shit?JoeEDangerously said:
Something someone who’s full of shit would saybisonduck said:
You can shit in one hand and wish in another, see what fills up faster.FireTheJanitor said: -
Johnson was heavily pursued. Auburn threw the kitchen sink at him. Muhammad had options as well but uw was all Over him early.chuck said:
You didn't write anything that comes close to refuting what I said. You cited speculation by Okie St fans and his resume. Where is the evidence that anyone above UW in the portal recruiting rankings even pursued him?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You're off base on Muhammed and Johnson. Muhammed was a Big-12 all-conference CB, there are about 5 schools total that wouldn't want him on the roster.chuck said:
Exactly.AtomicDawg said:
Big dick boosters probably had to pay a lot to keep penix, odunze, McMillan, trice and maybe fautanu. Adding Muhammad and DJ was probably not cheap either. This is more of a rebuild year so hopefully we sign more of the Muhammad's of the world on defense along with a qb.chuck said:
Well I hope so too, but I'll have to see it first.backthepack said:
New money and this success will.chuck said:
UW doesn't have much in the way of NFL talent on defense.bisonduck said:
Who’s the problem on defense?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Why firing Inge or whoever it is, won’t matter either.RaceBannon said:If Sark fires Holt and brings in Wilcocks with his offense UW will roll!!!!
It's not the coordinator
Some HCs never have good defenses. I hope not, but it's possible/probable that Deboer is one of those HCs. It obviously doesn't mean he can't win in spite of it, but it would/will prevent him from ever being a truly dominant team
No worries. UW has yet to be in serious contention for highly sought after defensive players in the portal. About half of the board swears that the portal is going to fix it though.
Problem with the portal is there are limited players with the blue bloods all pursuing them so it's not a safe bet at all. Our entire defense is likely void of difference makers next year as it stands. Maybe trice returns and reverts to his old form somehow.
Maybe I'm off base here, but I don't think Muhammed, Penix, or Johnson were real hot commodities in the portal. UW wasn't bidding against blue bloods for any of them.
If the portal is to be the savior year after years as so many seem convinced of, then UW is going to have to raise the bar, just as much with it as with HS recruiting.
UW reached out to him with a bag, apparently, or he contacted UW? Either way Okie State message boards were saying he was getting 50k lump sum to transfer plus an undisclosed amount per game he started.
Johnson also had a ton of options in the portal.
Who knows with Penix, apparently he shut down communication with other programs when his old mentor DeBoer reached out. But he was coming off 3 straight injuries and had warranted concerns about being a glass cannon. Officially, UCF was his only other offer listed. -
I asked for evidence that teams with real recruiting pull pursued anyone UW has signed. I'm speculating that the answer is no, and you guys disagreeing aren't providing anything substantive to refute that. I didn't say there were no other teams interested. I didn't say those guys came free of charge, just that UW wasn't going against the likes of USC or Oregon or Georgia for them.AtomicDawg said:
Johnson was heavily pursued. Auburn threw the kitchen sink at him. Muhammad had options as well but uw was all Over him early.chuck said:
You didn't write anything that comes close to refuting what I said. You cited speculation by Okie St fans and his resume. Where is the evidence that anyone above UW in the portal recruiting rankings even pursued him?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You're off base on Muhammed and Johnson. Muhammed was a Big-12 all-conference CB, there are about 5 schools total that wouldn't want him on the roster.chuck said:
Exactly.AtomicDawg said:
Big dick boosters probably had to pay a lot to keep penix, odunze, McMillan, trice and maybe fautanu. Adding Muhammad and DJ was probably not cheap either. This is more of a rebuild year so hopefully we sign more of the Muhammad's of the world on defense along with a qb.chuck said:
Well I hope so too, but I'll have to see it first.backthepack said:
New money and this success will.chuck said:
UW doesn't have much in the way of NFL talent on defense.bisonduck said:
Who’s the problem on defense?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Why firing Inge or whoever it is, won’t matter either.RaceBannon said:If Sark fires Holt and brings in Wilcocks with his offense UW will roll!!!!
It's not the coordinator
Some HCs never have good defenses. I hope not, but it's possible/probable that Deboer is one of those HCs. It obviously doesn't mean he can't win in spite of it, but it would/will prevent him from ever being a truly dominant team
No worries. UW has yet to be in serious contention for highly sought after defensive players in the portal. About half of the board swears that the portal is going to fix it though.
Problem with the portal is there are limited players with the blue bloods all pursuing them so it's not a safe bet at all. Our entire defense is likely void of difference makers next year as it stands. Maybe trice returns and reverts to his old form somehow.
Maybe I'm off base here, but I don't think Muhammed, Penix, or Johnson were real hot commodities in the portal. UW wasn't bidding against blue bloods for any of them.
If the portal is to be the savior year after years as so many seem convinced of, then UW is going to have to raise the bar, just as much with it as with HS recruiting.
UW reached out to him with a bag, apparently, or he contacted UW? Either way Okie State message boards were saying he was getting 50k lump sum to transfer plus an undisclosed amount per game he started.
Johnson also had a ton of options in the portal.
Who knows with Penix, apparently he shut down communication with other programs when his old mentor DeBoer reached out. But he was coming off 3 straight injuries and had warranted concerns about being a glass cannon. Officially, UCF was his only other offer listed.
If UW is such a heavy hitter in the portal, why was Goforth the best and only LB brought in? Why no big time DT? Where are the impact guys at positions sorely lacking them? Muhammad was a great grab but only one CB after last year's performance? Nobody at safety when UWs best safety is pretty soft and frequently injured?
Don't you think the coaches wish they could have upgraded those positions a little further? It's no sure thing the portal is going to save you every year. Skill positions should be pretty easy for UW. I'm concerned about defensive players. -
I think there's something to needing to sell playing time to both recruits and portals. If you just go full mercenary you'll never have a recruiting class worth anything. Banks was good at the start of the year and Powell has come along nicely as well.chuck said:
I asked for evidence that teams with real recruiting pull pursued anyone UW has signed. I'm speculating that the answer is no, and you guys disagreeing aren't providing anything substantive to refute that. I didn't say there were no other teams interested. I didn't say those guys came free of charge, just that UW wasn't going against the likes of USC or Oregon or Georgia for them.AtomicDawg said:
Johnson was heavily pursued. Auburn threw the kitchen sink at him. Muhammad had options as well but uw was all Over him early.chuck said:
You didn't write anything that comes close to refuting what I said. You cited speculation by Okie St fans and his resume. Where is the evidence that anyone above UW in the portal recruiting rankings even pursued him?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You're off base on Muhammed and Johnson. Muhammed was a Big-12 all-conference CB, there are about 5 schools total that wouldn't want him on the roster.chuck said:
Exactly.AtomicDawg said:
Big dick boosters probably had to pay a lot to keep penix, odunze, McMillan, trice and maybe fautanu. Adding Muhammad and DJ was probably not cheap either. This is more of a rebuild year so hopefully we sign more of the Muhammad's of the world on defense along with a qb.chuck said:
Well I hope so too, but I'll have to see it first.backthepack said:
New money and this success will.chuck said:
UW doesn't have much in the way of NFL talent on defense.bisonduck said:
Who’s the problem on defense?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Why firing Inge or whoever it is, won’t matter either.RaceBannon said:If Sark fires Holt and brings in Wilcocks with his offense UW will roll!!!!
It's not the coordinator
Some HCs never have good defenses. I hope not, but it's possible/probable that Deboer is one of those HCs. It obviously doesn't mean he can't win in spite of it, but it would/will prevent him from ever being a truly dominant team
No worries. UW has yet to be in serious contention for highly sought after defensive players in the portal. About half of the board swears that the portal is going to fix it though.
Problem with the portal is there are limited players with the blue bloods all pursuing them so it's not a safe bet at all. Our entire defense is likely void of difference makers next year as it stands. Maybe trice returns and reverts to his old form somehow.
Maybe I'm off base here, but I don't think Muhammed, Penix, or Johnson were real hot commodities in the portal. UW wasn't bidding against blue bloods for any of them.
If the portal is to be the savior year after years as so many seem convinced of, then UW is going to have to raise the bar, just as much with it as with HS recruiting.
UW reached out to him with a bag, apparently, or he contacted UW? Either way Okie State message boards were saying he was getting 50k lump sum to transfer plus an undisclosed amount per game he started.
Johnson also had a ton of options in the portal.
Who knows with Penix, apparently he shut down communication with other programs when his old mentor DeBoer reached out. But he was coming off 3 straight injuries and had warranted concerns about being a glass cannon. Officially, UCF was his only other offer listed.
If UW is such a heavy hitter in the oortal, why was Goforth the best amd only LB brought in? Why no big time DT? Where are the impact guys at positions sorely lacking them? Muhammad was a great grab but only one CB after last year's performance? Nobody at safety when UWs best safety is pretty soft and frequently injured?
Don't you think the coaches wish they could have upgraded those positions a little further? It's no sure thing the portal is going to save you every year. Skill positions should be pretty easy for UW. I'm concerned about defensive players. -
Banks was good for sure, but the dude hasn't held up at all. That shit is going to happen. That's why you have to recruit the best HS players AND be able to supplement with the portal.Canadawg said:
I think there's something to needing to sell playing time to both recruits and portals. If you just go full mercenary you'll never have a recruiting class worth anything. Banks was good at the start of the year and Powell has come along nicely as well.chuck said:
I asked for evidence that teams with real recruiting pull pursued anyone UW has signed. I'm speculating that the answer is no, and you guys disagreeing aren't providing anything substantive to refute that. I didn't say there were no other teams interested. I didn't say those guys came free of charge, just that UW wasn't going against the likes of USC or Oregon or Georgia for them.AtomicDawg said:
Johnson was heavily pursued. Auburn threw the kitchen sink at him. Muhammad had options as well but uw was all Over him early.chuck said:
You didn't write anything that comes close to refuting what I said. You cited speculation by Okie St fans and his resume. Where is the evidence that anyone above UW in the portal recruiting rankings even pursued him?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You're off base on Muhammed and Johnson. Muhammed was a Big-12 all-conference CB, there are about 5 schools total that wouldn't want him on the roster.chuck said:
Exactly.AtomicDawg said:
Big dick boosters probably had to pay a lot to keep penix, odunze, McMillan, trice and maybe fautanu. Adding Muhammad and DJ was probably not cheap either. This is more of a rebuild year so hopefully we sign more of the Muhammad's of the world on defense along with a qb.chuck said:
Well I hope so too, but I'll have to see it first.backthepack said:
New money and this success will.chuck said:
UW doesn't have much in the way of NFL talent on defense.bisonduck said:
Who’s the problem on defense?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Why firing Inge or whoever it is, won’t matter either.RaceBannon said:If Sark fires Holt and brings in Wilcocks with his offense UW will roll!!!!
It's not the coordinator
Some HCs never have good defenses. I hope not, but it's possible/probable that Deboer is one of those HCs. It obviously doesn't mean he can't win in spite of it, but it would/will prevent him from ever being a truly dominant team
No worries. UW has yet to be in serious contention for highly sought after defensive players in the portal. About half of the board swears that the portal is going to fix it though.
Problem with the portal is there are limited players with the blue bloods all pursuing them so it's not a safe bet at all. Our entire defense is likely void of difference makers next year as it stands. Maybe trice returns and reverts to his old form somehow.
Maybe I'm off base here, but I don't think Muhammed, Penix, or Johnson were real hot commodities in the portal. UW wasn't bidding against blue bloods for any of them.
If the portal is to be the savior year after years as so many seem convinced of, then UW is going to have to raise the bar, just as much with it as with HS recruiting.
UW reached out to him with a bag, apparently, or he contacted UW? Either way Okie State message boards were saying he was getting 50k lump sum to transfer plus an undisclosed amount per game he started.
Johnson also had a ton of options in the portal.
Who knows with Penix, apparently he shut down communication with other programs when his old mentor DeBoer reached out. But he was coming off 3 straight injuries and had warranted concerns about being a glass cannon. Officially, UCF was his only other offer listed.
If UW is such a heavy hitter in the oortal, why was Goforth the best amd only LB brought in? Why no big time DT? Where are the impact guys at positions sorely lacking them? Muhammad was a great grab but only one CB after last year's performance? Nobody at safety when UWs best safety is pretty soft and frequently injured?
Don't you think the coaches wish they could have upgraded those positions a little further? It's no sure thing the portal is going to save you every year. Skill positions should be pretty easy for UW. I'm concerned about defensive players.
I think Deboer is doing more with less. The offensive talent is uncommonly good, but the defense is bad. He wants better players and to be a complete team. I'd bet anything. -
If DeBoer is the coach we think he is, he’ll restock the shelves with better products than what he currently has.
I’d he’s not, he won’t. -
Who said uw was a heavy hitter? Three of the guys last year that they go had options. Obviously the rest were projects.chuck said:
I asked for evidence that teams with real recruiting pull pursued anyone UW has signed. I'm speculating that the answer is no, and you guys disagreeing aren't providing anything substantive to refute that. I didn't say there were no other teams interested. I didn't say those guys came free of charge, just that UW wasn't going against the likes of USC or Oregon or Georgia for them.AtomicDawg said:
Johnson was heavily pursued. Auburn threw the kitchen sink at him. Muhammad had options as well but uw was all Over him early.chuck said:
You didn't write anything that comes close to refuting what I said. You cited speculation by Okie St fans and his resume. Where is the evidence that anyone above UW in the portal recruiting rankings even pursued him?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You're off base on Muhammed and Johnson. Muhammed was a Big-12 all-conference CB, there are about 5 schools total that wouldn't want him on the roster.chuck said:
Exactly.AtomicDawg said:
Big dick boosters probably had to pay a lot to keep penix, odunze, McMillan, trice and maybe fautanu. Adding Muhammad and DJ was probably not cheap either. This is more of a rebuild year so hopefully we sign more of the Muhammad's of the world on defense along with a qb.chuck said:
Well I hope so too, but I'll have to see it first.backthepack said:
New money and this success will.chuck said:
UW doesn't have much in the way of NFL talent on defense.bisonduck said:
Who’s the problem on defense?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Why firing Inge or whoever it is, won’t matter either.RaceBannon said:If Sark fires Holt and brings in Wilcocks with his offense UW will roll!!!!
It's not the coordinator
Some HCs never have good defenses. I hope not, but it's possible/probable that Deboer is one of those HCs. It obviously doesn't mean he can't win in spite of it, but it would/will prevent him from ever being a truly dominant team
No worries. UW has yet to be in serious contention for highly sought after defensive players in the portal. About half of the board swears that the portal is going to fix it though.
Problem with the portal is there are limited players with the blue bloods all pursuing them so it's not a safe bet at all. Our entire defense is likely void of difference makers next year as it stands. Maybe trice returns and reverts to his old form somehow.
Maybe I'm off base here, but I don't think Muhammed, Penix, or Johnson were real hot commodities in the portal. UW wasn't bidding against blue bloods for any of them.
If the portal is to be the savior year after years as so many seem convinced of, then UW is going to have to raise the bar, just as much with it as with HS recruiting.
UW reached out to him with a bag, apparently, or he contacted UW? Either way Okie State message boards were saying he was getting 50k lump sum to transfer plus an undisclosed amount per game he started.
Johnson also had a ton of options in the portal.
Who knows with Penix, apparently he shut down communication with other programs when his old mentor DeBoer reached out. But he was coming off 3 straight injuries and had warranted concerns about being a glass cannon. Officially, UCF was his only other offer listed.
If UW is such a heavy hitter in the portal, why was Goforth the best and only LB brought in? Why no big time DT? Where are the impact guys at positions sorely lacking them? Muhammad was a great grab but only one CB after last year's performance? Nobody at safety when UWs best safety is pretty soft and frequently injured?
Don't you think the coaches wish they could have upgraded those positions a little further? It's no sure thing the portal is going to save you every year. Skill positions should be pretty easy for UW. I'm concerned about defensive players.
Johnson especially was arguably the best rb available in the portal. Cuevas had plenty of options as a sought after tight end. -
Cuevas should come along nicely
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If the portal has equaled or even exceeded HS recruiting in importance for UW then I'd say *we had better be a heavy hitter or years like this will be few and far between.AtomicDawg said:
Who said uw was a heavy hitter? Three of the guys last year that they go had options. Obviously the rest were projects.chuck said:
I asked for evidence that teams with real recruiting pull pursued anyone UW has signed. I'm speculating that the answer is no, and you guys disagreeing aren't providing anything substantive to refute that. I didn't say there were no other teams interested. I didn't say those guys came free of charge, just that UW wasn't going against the likes of USC or Oregon or Georgia for them.AtomicDawg said:
Johnson was heavily pursued. Auburn threw the kitchen sink at him. Muhammad had options as well but uw was all Over him early.chuck said:
You didn't write anything that comes close to refuting what I said. You cited speculation by Okie St fans and his resume. Where is the evidence that anyone above UW in the portal recruiting rankings even pursued him?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You're off base on Muhammed and Johnson. Muhammed was a Big-12 all-conference CB, there are about 5 schools total that wouldn't want him on the roster.chuck said:
Exactly.AtomicDawg said:
Big dick boosters probably had to pay a lot to keep penix, odunze, McMillan, trice and maybe fautanu. Adding Muhammad and DJ was probably not cheap either. This is more of a rebuild year so hopefully we sign more of the Muhammad's of the world on defense along with a qb.chuck said:
Well I hope so too, but I'll have to see it first.backthepack said:
New money and this success will.chuck said:
UW doesn't have much in the way of NFL talent on defense.bisonduck said:
Who’s the problem on defense?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Why firing Inge or whoever it is, won’t matter either.RaceBannon said:If Sark fires Holt and brings in Wilcocks with his offense UW will roll!!!!
It's not the coordinator
Some HCs never have good defenses. I hope not, but it's possible/probable that Deboer is one of those HCs. It obviously doesn't mean he can't win in spite of it, but it would/will prevent him from ever being a truly dominant team
No worries. UW has yet to be in serious contention for highly sought after defensive players in the portal. About half of the board swears that the portal is going to fix it though.
Problem with the portal is there are limited players with the blue bloods all pursuing them so it's not a safe bet at all. Our entire defense is likely void of difference makers next year as it stands. Maybe trice returns and reverts to his old form somehow.
Maybe I'm off base here, but I don't think Muhammed, Penix, or Johnson were real hot commodities in the portal. UW wasn't bidding against blue bloods for any of them.
If the portal is to be the savior year after years as so many seem convinced of, then UW is going to have to raise the bar, just as much with it as with HS recruiting.
UW reached out to him with a bag, apparently, or he contacted UW? Either way Okie State message boards were saying he was getting 50k lump sum to transfer plus an undisclosed amount per game he started.
Johnson also had a ton of options in the portal.
Who knows with Penix, apparently he shut down communication with other programs when his old mentor DeBoer reached out. But he was coming off 3 straight injuries and had warranted concerns about being a glass cannon. Officially, UCF was his only other offer listed.
If UW is such a heavy hitter in the portal, why was Goforth the best and only LB brought in? Why no big time DT? Where are the impact guys at positions sorely lacking them? Muhammad was a great grab but only one CB after last year's performance? Nobody at safety when UWs best safety is pretty soft and frequently injured?
Don't you think the coaches wish they could have upgraded those positions a little further? It's no sure thing the portal is going to save you every year. Skill positions should be pretty easy for UW. I'm concerned about defensive players.
Johnson especially was arguably the best rb available in the portal. Cuevas had plenty of options as a sought after tight end.
The point I'm trying to make is that there seems to be a lot of confidence that UW can use the portal to stay at this level. Some are confident enough that they think HS recruiting has diminished in importance. I disagree. -
Uw is at this level because of a generational qb and ridiculous talent at wr. They are not a national title contender or even conference title contenders next year on paper.chuck said:
If the portal has equaled or even exceeded HS recruiting in importance for UW then I'd say *we had better be a heavy hitter or years like this will be few and far between.AtomicDawg said:
Who said uw was a heavy hitter? Three of the guys last year that they go had options. Obviously the rest were projects.chuck said:
I asked for evidence that teams with real recruiting pull pursued anyone UW has signed. I'm speculating that the answer is no, and you guys disagreeing aren't providing anything substantive to refute that. I didn't say there were no other teams interested. I didn't say those guys came free of charge, just that UW wasn't going against the likes of USC or Oregon or Georgia for them.AtomicDawg said:
Johnson was heavily pursued. Auburn threw the kitchen sink at him. Muhammad had options as well but uw was all Over him early.chuck said:
You didn't write anything that comes close to refuting what I said. You cited speculation by Okie St fans and his resume. Where is the evidence that anyone above UW in the portal recruiting rankings even pursued him?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You're off base on Muhammed and Johnson. Muhammed was a Big-12 all-conference CB, there are about 5 schools total that wouldn't want him on the roster.chuck said:
Exactly.AtomicDawg said:
Big dick boosters probably had to pay a lot to keep penix, odunze, McMillan, trice and maybe fautanu. Adding Muhammad and DJ was probably not cheap either. This is more of a rebuild year so hopefully we sign more of the Muhammad's of the world on defense along with a qb.chuck said:
Well I hope so too, but I'll have to see it first.backthepack said:
New money and this success will.chuck said:
UW doesn't have much in the way of NFL talent on defense.bisonduck said:
Who’s the problem on defense?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Why firing Inge or whoever it is, won’t matter either.RaceBannon said:If Sark fires Holt and brings in Wilcocks with his offense UW will roll!!!!
It's not the coordinator
Some HCs never have good defenses. I hope not, but it's possible/probable that Deboer is one of those HCs. It obviously doesn't mean he can't win in spite of it, but it would/will prevent him from ever being a truly dominant team
No worries. UW has yet to be in serious contention for highly sought after defensive players in the portal. About half of the board swears that the portal is going to fix it though.
Problem with the portal is there are limited players with the blue bloods all pursuing them so it's not a safe bet at all. Our entire defense is likely void of difference makers next year as it stands. Maybe trice returns and reverts to his old form somehow.
Maybe I'm off base here, but I don't think Muhammed, Penix, or Johnson were real hot commodities in the portal. UW wasn't bidding against blue bloods for any of them.
If the portal is to be the savior year after years as so many seem convinced of, then UW is going to have to raise the bar, just as much with it as with HS recruiting.
UW reached out to him with a bag, apparently, or he contacted UW? Either way Okie State message boards were saying he was getting 50k lump sum to transfer plus an undisclosed amount per game he started.
Johnson also had a ton of options in the portal.
Who knows with Penix, apparently he shut down communication with other programs when his old mentor DeBoer reached out. But he was coming off 3 straight injuries and had warranted concerns about being a glass cannon. Officially, UCF was his only other offer listed.
If UW is such a heavy hitter in the portal, why was Goforth the best and only LB brought in? Why no big time DT? Where are the impact guys at positions sorely lacking them? Muhammad was a great grab but only one CB after last year's performance? Nobody at safety when UWs best safety is pretty soft and frequently injured?
Don't you think the coaches wish they could have upgraded those positions a little further? It's no sure thing the portal is going to save you every year. Skill positions should be pretty easy for UW. I'm concerned about defensive players.
Johnson especially was arguably the best rb available in the portal. Cuevas had plenty of options as a sought after tight end.
The point I'm trying to make is that there seems to be a lot of confidence that UW can use the portal to stay at this level. Some are confident enough that they think HS recruiting has diminished in importance. I disagree.
If penix left it was widely speculated/rumored that Hartman was coming here. Would he have? Who knows? It's not out of the question that qb's would come here over other heavy hitters as you say.
I don't know who is assuming the team is gonna be a top 4 type team next year. Regardless they still are going to have to use the portal to fill out a lot of holes.
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Everyone jizz over this year ... because it's going to be unpredictable next year.
What will be predictable is that we're not gonna go 9-0 next year to start the season ... not with the holes we have on the team imo.
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Funny comment from the condoms bored:
What we're doing is not really an organized, coherent defense. Always a bunch of guys waving their arms and jumping around. We look like one of those old, cheap electric football games where the players just run around in circles while the field vibrates and buzzes. -
When Lake became Co-Defensive Coordinator, UW's defense regressedPostGameOrangeSlices said: -
I assumed that was a joke. Then I thought, wait maybe he really said it? So I listened.Canadawg said:
Broke emAlexis said:You make Caleb cry and Jen is gonna do something about it
https://youtu.be/9WXyPG3LrAQ?si=BlJVE_YAXNCA9Tjw
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When Don James quasi-fired Gary Pinkel to bring in Gilby to run the one-back at UW, it made all the difference. My comment is simultaneously agreeing with your comment and arguing with it.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Why firing Inge or whoever it is, won’t matter either.RaceBannon said:If Sark fires Holt and brings in Wilcocks with his offense UW will roll!!!!
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TheHB said:
Where in the world was new athletic director Jennifer Cohen? She could have pushed Riley earlier to make the tough call on his pal.
LA Times columnist Bill Plaschke gets it.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2023-11-05/lincoln-riley-keeping-alex-grinch-lost-season#nt=0000016b-f6a0-d805-abff-f6f8699e0002-showMedia-liH0promoSmall-7030col2
Jen said the USC job enables her to become the best Jen she can be -
Exactly this. Lake has some weird fucking hubris about him and the secondary. He didn’t seem to mind giving up 200 yards rushing & 4 TDs as long as the secondary didn’t give up a TD.DerekJohnson said:
When Lake became Co-Defensive Coordinator, UW's defense regressedPostGameOrangeSlices said: -
81% chance she was told that she sucks behind closed doors.DerekJohnson said:TheHB said:Where in the world was new athletic director Jennifer Cohen? She could have pushed Riley earlier to make the tough call on his pal.
LA Times columnist Bill Plaschke gets it.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2023-11-05/lincoln-riley-keeping-alex-grinch-lost-season#nt=0000016b-f6a0-d805-abff-f6f8699e0002-showMedia-liH0promoSmall-7030col2
Jen said the USC job enables her to become the best Jen she can be -
Eh, Wilcox and Co actually came in and turned the D around. It just so happened that Sark was still Sark so any total team improvement was miniscule. New talent won't hurt, and I don't know whose head needs to roll, but one of those coaches needs to get ass doored come January.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Why firing Inge or whoever it is, won’t matter either.RaceBannon said:If Sark fires Holt and brings in Wilcocks with his offense UW will roll!!!!
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This is 100% correct and the stats bear it out:GreenRiverGatorz said:
Eh, Wilcox and Co actually came in and turned the D around. It just so happened that Sark was still Sark so any total team improvement was miniscule. New talent won't hurt, and I don't know whose head needs to roll, but one of those coaches needs to get ass doored come January.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Why firing Inge or whoever it is, won’t matter either.RaceBannon said:If Sark fires Holt and brings in Wilcocks with his offense UW will roll!!!!
It's not the coordinator
2011 (Holt's last year): PPG allowed (all opponents): 35.92 | PPG allowed (ranked opponents): 51.4 (this is exactly how I remember Nick Holt's defenses feeling)
2012 (Wilcox 1st year): PPG allowed (all opponents): 24.15 | PPG allowed (ranked opponents): 29.17
2013 (Wilcox 2nd year): PPG allowed (all opponents): 22.85 | PPG allowed (ranked opponents): 30.75
The offense regressed significantly from 2011 to 2012 (33 ppg in 2011 to 24 ppg in 2012), so the record was the same. In 2013, UW was at ~38 ppg on offense, and the team had 9 wins for the first time since 2000. -
So, the same but with a tan?DerekJohnson said:TheHB said:Where in the world was new athletic director Jennifer Cohen? She could have pushed Riley earlier to make the tough call on his pal.
LA Times columnist Bill Plaschke gets it.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2023-11-05/lincoln-riley-keeping-alex-grinch-lost-season#nt=0000016b-f6a0-d805-abff-f6f8699e0002-showMedia-liH0promoSmall-7030col2
Jen said the USC job enables her to become the best Jen she can be -
I highly doubt ithaie said:
81% chance she was told that she sucks behind closed doors.DerekJohnson said:TheHB said:Where in the world was new athletic director Jennifer Cohen? She could have pushed Riley earlier to make the tough call on his pal.
LA Times columnist Bill Plaschke gets it.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2023-11-05/lincoln-riley-keeping-alex-grinch-lost-season#nt=0000016b-f6a0-d805-abff-f6f8699e0002-showMedia-liH0promoSmall-7030col2
Jen said the USC job enables her to become the best Jen she can be -
USC has upgraded the reporter game.
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Got really feminine. I mean really feminine.RaceBannon said:USC has upgraded the reporter game.
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UW's 2020 class wasn't that good on defense with Savvy Smalls and Jacobe Covington as the highest rated guys. Nobody from Lake's 2021 class is starting and IMHO, the 2022 and 2023 have promise but we'll see.
Out of the portal, it's very possible that UW can get an above average DT, Edge, 1 or 2 LBs, and possibly a secondary guy to retool. Outside of a portal QB, UW is mostly set on UW in 2024 so focusing the portal mostly on D makes sense.
But what do I know, I predicted UW to go 9-3 in the regular season and a 3-game losing streak to close it out doesn't look likely. -
It is still in play.HFNY said:UW's 2020 class wasn't that good on defense with Savvy Smalls and Jacobe Covington as the highest rated guys. Nobody from Lake's 2021 class is starting and IMHO, the 2022 and 2023 have promise but we'll see.
Out of the portal, it's very possible that UW can get an above average DT, Edge, 1 or 2 LBs, and possibly a secondary guy to retool. Outside of a portal QB, UW is mostly set on UW in 2024 so focusing the portal mostly on D makes sense.
But what do I know, I predicted UW to go 9-3 in the regular season and a 3-game losing streak to close it out doesn't look likely.
