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  • Joey
    Joey Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,281 Founders Club
    TheHB said:

    Wasn’t there a strip sack against Michigan State? Maybe I’m thinking of something else. Regardless, they are rarer than an accurate injury report from @bisonduck

    It got ruled incomplete and didn’t get challenged
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    TheHB said:

    Wasn’t there a strip sack against Michigan State? Maybe I’m thinking of something else. Regardless, they are rarer than an accurate injury report from @bisonduck

    Wasn’t called a fumble. Didn’t even get reviewed.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,683 Swaye's Wigwam
    DerekJohnson said:

    chuck said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    haie said:

    Tackling isn't really something you just teach. You can improve it but it's a talent in the same way that throwing accuracy is.

    Budda Baker is an elite tackler. His contract reflects that. You can't just teach what he does.

    Your first sentence is contradicted immediately by your second sentence.
    Nah I think he's correct. Coaching can teach bad tacklers how to tackle in practice and how to make the easy ones...hitting guys who are held up, popping a guy pinned to the sidelines etc.

    You can't take a guy who just doesn't get it and expect him to ever be really good at it though. It's an instinctive process to cut off angles, break down properly so you're ready to launch but also able to go to either side, and time the hit. Muhammad has it, Baker, Gordon and McDuffie had it. Too many of the current DBs don't.

    I think that's kind of in line with what he was saying.
    "My players are good enough if me and my coaches are good enough to teach them" - Chuck Knox
    I'm not denying there's a developmental problem. I'm not sure there is either but I can't deny that it's possible.

    College teams have a lot of guys who aren't complete players but stay on the field based on something else. Tackling is one of the most common deficiencies. It's hard.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,524 Founders Club
    Canadawg said:

    One thing one of the coaches was talking about was the players made some bad choices about when to try to strip the ball vs when to wrap up. To me it seems crazy to have any emphasis on trying to pull the ball out because I'd rather just have good tackling all year over one or two random strips

    It's almost as though coaching matters

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  • Canadawg
    Canadawg Member Posts: 5,342
    DerekJohnson said:

    Canadawg said:

    One thing one of the coaches was talking about was the players made some bad choices about when to try to strip the ball vs when to wrap up. To me it seems crazy to have any emphasis on trying to pull the ball out because I'd rather just have good tackling all year over one or two random strips

    It's almost as though coaching matters

    I will be watching for this situation on Saturday. Possible calls for coaches heads if they keep swatting at the ball while the RB gains 9 yards
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,800 Founders Club
    edited October 2023
    DerekJohnson said:

    Canadawg said:

    One thing one of the coaches was talking about was the players made some bad choices about when to try to strip the ball vs when to wrap up. To me it seems crazy to have any emphasis on trying to pull the ball out because I'd rather just have good tackling all year over one or two random strips

    It's almost as though coaching matters

    Yeah, I mean the tackling being this bad after 2 years is unacceptable. But I don't think anyone is thrilled with Morrell even with the clutch stops.

    It's not the same defense, but Petersen's system only worked because they recruited guys with incredible baseline open field tackling ability. It's the second hardest thing to do in football. That's how you sit people back and can still get off the field on 4th and 3.

    It's like we shouldn't even be running this defense.
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  • WoolleyDoog
    WoolleyDoog Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,198 Founders Club
    haie said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Canadawg said:

    One thing one of the coaches was talking about was the players made some bad choices about when to try to strip the ball vs when to wrap up. To me it seems crazy to have any emphasis on trying to pull the ball out because I'd rather just have good tackling all year over one or two random strips

    It's almost as though coaching matters

    Yeah, I mean the tackling being this bad after 2 years is unacceptable. But I don't think anyone is thrilled with Morrell even with the clutch stops.

    It's not the same defense, but Petersen's system only worked because they recruited guys with incredible baseline open field tackling ability. It's the second hardest thing to do in football. That's how you sit people back and can still get off the field on 4th and 3.

    It's like we shouldn't even be running this defense.
    I'm wondering if they're starting to run the Petersen/Kwit prevent defense out of desperation. I think the tackling and especially the pass defense has improved, especially with almost no pass rush.
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  • TheHB
    TheHB Member Posts: 6,457
    The tackling is horrifying, but dammit, they’re making the stops when the have to.

    It’s kind of odd. But I remember thinking last year, “if only this defense as average …”

    This version might actually be a bit better than average.
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  • TheHB
    TheHB Member Posts: 6,457
    Chinned for use of “fuck o’ dear”
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  • biak1
    biak1 Member Posts: 4,237
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    TheHB said:

    The tackling is horrifying, but dammit, they’re making the stops when the have to.

    It’s kind of odd. But I remember thinking last year, “if only this defense as average …”

    This version might actually be a bit better than average.

    Stats say it is "above average" but fuck o' dear is it painful to watch.
    This. It’s painful to watch and doesn’t pass the eye test but they’re getting enough stops to be decent. That doesn’t mean I like it though. DL play has been the most underwhelming to me by defensive unit and in general the tackling is just dog shit. I expect the first guy there to miss.
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,717 Founders Club
    biak1 said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    TheHB said:

    The tackling is horrifying, but dammit, they’re making the stops when the have to.

    It’s kind of odd. But I remember thinking last year, “if only this defense as average …”

    This version might actually be a bit better than average.

    Stats say it is "above average" but fuck o' dear is it painful to watch.
    This. It’s painful to watch and doesn’t pass the eye test but they’re getting enough stops to be decent. That doesn’t mean I like it though. DL play has been the most underwhelming to me by defensive unit and in general the tackling is just dog shit. I expect the first guy there to miss.
    Which means they can’t blitz much if no one can be trusted to make a 1 on 1 tackle.
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  • WoolleyDoog
    WoolleyDoog Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,198 Founders Club
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    WoolleyDoog said:

    I'm actually kind of surprised everyone is so mad about the defense. They're limiting scores. They're getting interceptions. It's really fucking hard to get modern offenses off the field in four downs.

    I'm more concerned about the offense the past few games. I thought they'd be able to outscore everyone, especially if the defense gave them anything. When the D gave them the ball back against Oregon up 11 in the third that game should have been fucking over. Even a couple of long drives ending in field goals ends the fucking game instead of three and outs.

    This. After "so what, the offense had an off night" three games in a row, I don't think they can score on anyone. Literally can't score on Arizona State's festering corpse (hai @trublue ).

    And the defense is mediocre.

    Abundance.
    I'm worried about the offense. Any team that just drops everyone back seems to really limit and frustrate them and the defense has to win the game and now we'll see if ASU's strategy of endless blitzing does the same.

    They did well against Oregon but have struggled in big moments when they could have put theme away. The aforementioned three and outs in the third this year and last year when they got the ball back tied in the 4th and couldn't get a first and had to settle for a long field goal and giving Oregon the ball back with plenty of time.

    Both Oregon games the D bailed the O out late holding back Oregon's offense on their final drive enough to run the clock out.
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  • Joey
    Joey Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,281 Founders Club
    91 and 2016 are the two times we? Had a great offense and great defense at the same time. It’s hard to do both for some reason.
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  • CFetters_Nacho_Lover
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 32,322 Founders Club
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    WoolleyDoog said:

    I'm actually kind of surprised everyone is so mad about the defense. They're limiting scores. They're getting interceptions. It's really fucking hard to get modern offenses off the field in four downs.

    I'm more concerned about the offense the past few games. I thought they'd be able to outscore everyone, especially if the defense gave them anything. When the D gave them the ball back against Oregon up 11 in the third that game should have been fucking over. Even a couple of long drives ending in field goals ends the fucking game instead of three and outs.

    This. After "so what, the offense had an off night" three games in a row, I don't think they can score on anyone. Literally can't score on Arizona State's festering corpse (hai @trublue ).

    And the defense is mediocre.

    Abundance.
    Unfortunately after working 25+ years in law enforcement some shit is creepy and not funny in any context
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  • Canadawg
    Canadawg Member Posts: 5,342
    I was among the most upset about the defense last year and I have to say I'm reasonably content where it's at right now. Short of being a complete lockdown D they are at least breaking up passes and getting off the field on 3 and 4ths often enough.
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  • TheHB
    TheHB Member Posts: 6,457
    UW’s D needs a game like the Seahawks had against the Giants on MNF a few weeks ago. Up until that game, Seattle’s D was iffy at best. Then they got well with about 46 sacks, a pick six, a rookie DB’s coming out party and other assorted mayhem against a severely overmatched offense.

    Now the Seattle D is playing pretty consistently well.

    It would be nice if UW could pull off something similar against Stanford heading into the last four weeks of the season.
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  • WoolleyDoog
    WoolleyDoog Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,198 Founders Club
    JoeEDangerously said:

    91 and 2016 are the two times we? Had a great offense and great defense at the same time. It’s hard to do both for some reason.

    My frustration is the defense is good enough to where the team should cook everyone on their schedule as long as the offense is as good as we think and it hasn't been. Also, if Durfee is at least better than ZTF, which is what I heard from practice, not having him is sucking.
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  • TheHB
    TheHB Member Posts: 6,457
    Third-down stops ain’t what they used to be because everyone goes for it on fourth down now.

    I still think sacks and turnovers will get the crowd more pumped than anything this side of Taylor Swift.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club
    TheHB said:

    Third-down stops ain’t what they used to be because everyone goes for it on fourth down now.

    I still think sacks and turnovers will get the crowd more pumped than anything this side of Taylor Swift.

    Good point

    And defenders still do victory dances after 2nd down
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,524 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    Pool boy said Husky fans get more excited about a third down stop than a TD and then hired Sark

    We? have evolved into we get excited over a two play 75 yard drive more than a 3rd down stop crowd

    I'm not sure that's true. It would have to be a definitive 3rd down stop but the fans still seem to get jacked
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,676 Standard Supporter
    In today's day and age of forced offense for ratings and flags for breathing on a quarterback the wrong way, you can win with a d that slows down offenses in the red zone and steps up when they need to. I remember Belicheat doing that as far back as 20 years ago. I don't know if you can win with an average defense and an average at best running game though. At least we aren't losing to Big Sky teams though.
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  • WoolleyDoog
    WoolleyDoog Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,198 Founders Club
    DerekJohnson said:

    WoolleyDoog said:

    I'm actually kind of surprised everyone is so mad about the defense. They're limiting scores. They're getting interceptions. It's really fucking hard to get modern offenses off the field in four downs. It's also hard to get sacks when every offense gets the ball out in 1 second and has a mobile QB to boot.

    I'm more concerned about the offense the past few games. I thought they'd be able to outscore everyone, especially if the defense gave them anything. When the D gave them the ball back against Oregon up 11 in the third that game should have been fucking over. Even a couple of long drives ending in field goals ends the fucking game instead of three and outs.


    While sacks aren't the be-all end-all, they do tell part of the tale.

    You say that it's hard to get sacks when every offense gets the ball out in one second with a mobile QB to boot.

    Well, Penn State and Texas A&M have 29 sacks. Tennessee has 28 sacks. Oregon has 25 sacks.

    Washington ranks 124th in the nation with 7 sacks.

    To shrug it off as saying "it's hard", is something I can't agree with in discussion.
    Yeah, but still. I'm not breaking new ground in saying the Huskies miss Jeremiah Martin. He and Trice were good at walling off both sides of the pocket so the QB couldn't escape unless he was Nix of the rapist level.

    I might break some new ground in saying Martin wasn't that special and should have been easy to replace. He went undrafted and only made Cleveland's practice squad. Benning Potato has basically done that for four seasons now for reference. Instead of replacing Martin with some merc killer from the portal WE brought in a DII guy from South Dakota who's not allowed to play.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club
    Ohio State has 14 sacks with OUR defensive end
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  • Joey
    Joey Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,281 Founders Club
    We? are lacking an interior pass rusher and I wonder if that guy was going to be Tuunufi until Durfee got ruled ineligible for no reason now they have to play a Voi on the outside more than they would have
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