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https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/13/us/stanford-instructor-jewish-holocaust-comments-reaj/index.html
This is not TITTT. This is football related.
This is not TITTT. This is football related.
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How is it football related?
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It's in the title!
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Wtf Trees...
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Just more democrat love for Jews.
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This is about students and their particular views. It's a leap to go from this to "Democrats hate Jews".
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Just some of themcreepycoug said:This is about students and their particular views. It's a leap to go from this to "Democrats hate Jews".
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I got news for you old man, which actually isn't news because you know it too: there are plenty of conservatives who aren't particularly fond of Jews either. Just some of them though. Unfortunately for the Jews, their popularity isn't something that follows political lines all that religiously.RaceBannon said:
Just some of themcreepycoug said:This is about students and their particular views. It's a leap to go from this to "Democrats hate Jews".
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As always any two bit anti Semitic is the face of the GOPcreepycoug said:
I got news for you old man, which actually isn't news because you know it too: there are plenty of conservatives who aren't particularly fond of Jews either. Just some of them though. Unfortunately for the Jews, their popularity isn't something that follows political lines all that religiously.RaceBannon said:
Just some of themcreepycoug said:This is about students and their particular views. It's a leap to go from this to "Democrats hate Jews".
Yet the GOP supports Israel while the democrats elect terrorists to congress
You'll find very few elected anti semites in the GOP. Democrats are full of them. And I'm a Democrat or was
Jew hatred does cross party lines but in 2023 its not equal
The democrats own the PR.
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Why does it seem like so many in higher education are prone to antisemitic views? Did Fawn Liebowitz decline to make a pot for them?
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It's just basic Marxist ideology. If someone isn't doing well it must be someone else's fault. They think prosperity is a zero sum game.georgiaduck said:Why does it seem like so many in higher education are prone to antisemitic views? Did Fawn Liebowitz decline to make a pot for them?
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You can either choose Jews or Muslims, you can't have both.creepycoug said:
I got news for you old man, which actually isn't news because you know it too: there are plenty of conservatives who aren't particularly fond of Jews either. Just some of them though. Unfortunately for the Jews, their popularity isn't something that follows political lines all that religiously.RaceBannon said:
Just some of themcreepycoug said:This is about students and their particular views. It's a leap to go from this to "Democrats hate Jews".
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To the extent that you have a political party in power that does hate the Jews, which party would that be?creepycoug said:This is about students and their particular views. It's a leap to go from this to "Democrats hate Jews".
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Call me when the GOP gives an overt anti-Semite a prime time speaking slot at their party's convention.creepycoug said:
I got news for you old man, which actually isn't news because you know it too: there are plenty of conservatives who aren't particularly fond of Jews either. Just some of them though. Unfortunately for the Jews, their popularity isn't something that follows political lines all that religiously.RaceBannon said:
Just some of themcreepycoug said:This is about students and their particular views. It's a leap to go from this to "Democrats hate Jews".
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Plenty is probably true but misleading. I'm conservative and know lots of conservatives and none of them have a Jewish problem. Jews that are democrats are a big problem but not because they are Jewish. I don't detest Marx because he was Jewish. I've worked with Muslims and our West Linn community had several Iranian expats who were about as Muslim as I am. They all drank. Kind of did the Ramadan thing, sort of like semi-agnostic Jews do the Passover thing or Christians who go to Easter Service and call it good. But, Israel and Palestine was a topic that you didn't bring it up. Like NeverTrumpers, they are reflexively against it.creepycoug said:
I got news for you old man, which actually isn't news because you know it too: there are plenty of conservatives who aren't particularly fond of Jews either. Just some of them though. Unfortunately for the Jews, their popularity isn't something that follows political lines all that religiously.RaceBannon said:
Just some of themcreepycoug said:This is about students and their particular views. It's a leap to go from this to "Democrats hate Jews".
Egyptian Actor dude is living the fine Western life and his women aren't in burkas but ....
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I will!SFGbob said:
Call me when the GOP gives an overt anti-Semite a prime time speaking slot at their party's convention.creepycoug said:
I got news for you old man, which actually isn't news because you know it too: there are plenty of conservatives who aren't particularly fond of Jews either. Just some of them though. Unfortunately for the Jews, their popularity isn't something that follows political lines all that religiously.RaceBannon said:
Just some of themcreepycoug said:This is about students and their particular views. It's a leap to go from this to "Democrats hate Jews".
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I'm not sure, but that seems like a rhetorical question. I don't think we have a political party that hates Jews. I think a lot of people have a weird issue with Jews, and it goes back a ways. Antisemitism has been around for a long time, and shared by many.SFGbob said:
To the extent that you have a political party in power that does hate the Jews, which party would that be?creepycoug said:This is about students and their particular views. It's a leap to go from this to "Democrats hate Jews".
Political support for Israel, especially today, isn't a litmus test for how people feel about the Jews IMO. Given the animals who want to wipe Israel from existence, it's hardly surprising to me that there are a lot of people who side with Israel. Just consider the competition. -
I think it's generally two things. First, our universities admit people from all over the world. You're going to find Muslims and people actually from the middle east on most major US campuses. The other thing is that college-aged kids like to be contrarians and take the view that the mainstream don't take. They like to antagonize their parents. They like to be outspoken and argue. They love to engage in this "ally" shit and support people they like to think of as oppressed. It's performative for a great many students. They're mostly full of shit and drop their nonsense when running around Nantucket. The outting of the Harvard group has them freaking the fuck out. Like, what, you want to support this notion that Israel had it coming, but you don't want your fucking name out there so you can still be hired by Morgan Stanley? Fuck off. Own it. Now that they are aware that people don't want to hire people who spout off shit like that you just watch them change their tune. There's not a one of them who is going to pack it and fly over there to help their poor Palestian friends. It's just young adults who are full of shit. Yeah, there are professors who peddle the same shit, but I don't think they represent the majority. The Stanford lecturer has been fired or put on leave.georgiaduck said:Why does it seem like so many in higher education are prone to antisemitic views? Did Fawn Liebowitz decline to make a pot for them?
I've educated three women. We spent the summer of George Floyd arguing. A lot. Now even the youngest is paying taxes and rent and car insurance and dealing with dipshits at work. Real life is settling in. Guess what? We don't argue nearly as much, and when they need money and get it from me, they are super grateful, thank me profusely, have become much more frugal, etc. Fuck, you would think when I was writing $65,000 checks that they would have worshipped me. Now, they jump for joy when I send them a few hundred to help them out with this and that.
Again, going from that to the Democratic party hates Jews just seems like an over-statement.
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My only point is that the Jew thing is something that all kinds of people have, and I assume it's mostly learned in family or whatever. Wanting big government, big welfare states, big taxes, the unwinding of binary gender, and abortions for everybody isn't intellectually tied to hating Jews on any intellectual basis of which I'm aware. I've known plenty of people who dislike the Jews, and they've been of all stripes.WestlinnDuck said:
Plenty is probably true but misleading. I'm conservative and know lots of conservatives and none of them have a Jewish problem. Jews that are democrats are a big problem but not because they are Jewish. I don't detest Marx because he was Jewish. I've worked with Muslims and our West Linn community had several Iranian expats who were about as Muslim as I am. They all drank. Kind of did the Ramadan thing, sort of like semi-agnostic Jews do the Passover thing or Christians who go to Easter Service and call it good. But, Israel and Palestine was a topic that you didn't bring it up. Like NeverTrumpers, they are reflexively against it.creepycoug said:
I got news for you old man, which actually isn't news because you know it too: there are plenty of conservatives who aren't particularly fond of Jews either. Just some of them though. Unfortunately for the Jews, their popularity isn't something that follows political lines all that religiously.RaceBannon said:
Just some of themcreepycoug said:This is about students and their particular views. It's a leap to go from this to "Democrats hate Jews".
Egyptian Actor dude is living the fine Western life and his women aren't in burkas but ....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1CAtjYVdDc&t=166s -
creepycoug said:
I think it's generally two things. First, our universities admit people from all over the world. You're going to find Muslims and people actually from the middle east on most major US campuses. The other thing is that college-aged kids like to be contrarians and take the view that the mainstream don't take. They like to antagonize their parents. They like to be outspoken and argue. They love to engage in this "ally" shit and support people they like to think of as oppressed. It's performative for a great many students. They're mostly full of shit and drop their nonsense when running around Nantucket. The outting of the Harvard group has them freaking the fuck out. Like, what, you want to support this notion that Israel had it coming, but you don't want your fucking name out there so you can still be hired by Morgan Stanley? Fuck off. Own it. Now that they are aware that people don't want to hire people who spout off shit like that you just watch them change their tune. There's not a one of them who is going to pack it and fly over there to help their poor Palestian friends. It's just young adults who are full of shit. Yeah, there are professors who peddle the same shit, but I don't think they represent the majority. The Stanford lecturer has been fired or put on leave.georgiaduck said:Why does it seem like so many in higher education are prone to antisemitic views? Did Fawn Liebowitz decline to make a pot for them?
I've educated three women. We spent the summer of George Floyd arguing. A lot. Now even the youngest is paying taxes and rent and car insurance and dealing with dipshits at work. Real life is settling in. Guess what? We don't argue nearly as much, and when they need money and get it from me, they are super grateful, thank me profusely, have become much more frugal, etc. Fuck, you would think when I was writing $65,000 checks that they would have worshipped me. Now, they jump for joy when I send them a few hundred to help them out with this and that.
Again, going from that to the Democratic party hates Jews just seems like an over-statement.
Love the Liebowitz reference. The roommate scene with Otter still gives me wood.
Ok.
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Overstatement. BLM Chicago can't even get the phrase right.UW_Doog_Bot said:creepycoug said:
I think it's generally two things. First, our universities admit people from all over the world. You're going to find Muslims and people actually from the middle east on most major US campuses. The other thing is that college-aged kids like to be contrarians and take the view that the mainstream don't take. They like to antagonize their parents. They like to be outspoken and argue. They love to engage in this "ally" shit and support people they like to think of as oppressed. It's performative for a great many students. They're mostly full of shit and drop their nonsense when running around Nantucket. The outting of the Harvard group has them freaking the fuck out. Like, what, you want to support this notion that Israel had it coming, but you don't want your fucking name out there so you can still be hired by Morgan Stanley? Fuck off. Own it. Now that they are aware that people don't want to hire people who spout off shit like that you just watch them change their tune. There's not a one of them who is going to pack it and fly over there to help their poor Palestian friends. It's just young adults who are full of shit. Yeah, there are professors who peddle the same shit, but I don't think they represent the majority. The Stanford lecturer has been fired or put on leave.georgiaduck said:Why does it seem like so many in higher education are prone to antisemitic views? Did Fawn Liebowitz decline to make a pot for them?
I've educated three women. We spent the summer of George Floyd arguing. A lot. Now even the youngest is paying taxes and rent and car insurance and dealing with dipshits at work. Real life is settling in. Guess what? We don't argue nearly as much, and when they need money and get it from me, they are super grateful, thank me profusely, have become much more frugal, etc. Fuck, you would think when I was writing $65,000 checks that they would have worshipped me. Now, they jump for joy when I send them a few hundred to help them out with this and that.
Again, going from that to the Democratic party hates Jews just seems like an over-statement.
Love the Liebowitz reference. The roommate scene with Otter still gives me wood.
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But you do have a political party that's populated with more overt anti-Semites than the other major political party. There's no GOP equivalents to Sharpton, Omar, Jefferies, Talib. Hell, nearly the entire CBC is lousy with anti-Semites. Obama spent 20 year in a Jew hating church, there's nothing comparable on the GOP's side of the aisle.creepycoug said:
I'm not sure, but that seems like a rhetorical question. I don't think we have a political party that hates Jews. I think a lot of people have a weird issue with Jews, and it goes back a ways. Antisemitism has been around for a long time, and shared by many.SFGbob said:
To the extent that you have a political party in power that does hate the Jews, which party would that be?creepycoug said:This is about students and their particular views. It's a leap to go from this to "Democrats hate Jews".
Political support for Israel, especially today, isn't a litmus test for how people feel about the Jews IMO. Given the animals who want to wipe Israel from existence, it's hardly surprising to me that there are a lot of people who side with Israel. Just consider the competition. -
At the risk of sounding like an ancient goat herder I think the reason for millennia of hatred of the Jews is because the Bible is true
The most obvious answer can be the right answer
In that context it does extend far beyond modern politics. So I agree with my Cubano friend on that
As an evangelical christian (don't laugh) I also believe that supporting Israel is part of what we do and who we are in direct contrast to centuries of THE church treating Jews like Muslims do today
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Agree to the extent that we (the people) should support the Israeli people. However, we (the people) are no more obligated to support the government of Israel than we are to accept the actions of our own.RaceBannon said:At the risk of sounding like an ancient goat herder I think the reason for millennia of hatred of the Jews is because the Bible is true
The most obvious answer can be the right answer
In that context it does extend far beyond modern politics. So I agree with my Cubano friend on that
As an evangelical christian (don't laugh) I also believe that supporting Israel is part of what we do and who we are in direct contrast to centuries of THE church treating Jews like Muslims do today
Conversely, we (the people) should support the basic human rights of Palistineans while strongly condemning the actions of the terrorist government (Hamas).
Both Netanyahu and Hamas can be open to condemnation.
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Netanyahu isn't oppressing the Palis. Their largely worthless citizenry and Hamas leadership are fully responsible for any oppression. For some reason, Israel isn't oppressing Egypt and Jordan and wasn't oppressing Syria until ISIS and Iran got involved.PurpleThrobber said:
Agree to the extent that we (the people) should support the Israeli people. However, we (the people) are no more obligated to support the government of Israel than we are to accept the actions of our own.RaceBannon said:At the risk of sounding like an ancient goat herder I think the reason for millennia of hatred of the Jews is because the Bible is true
The most obvious answer can be the right answer
In that context it does extend far beyond modern politics. So I agree with my Cubano friend on that
As an evangelical christian (don't laugh) I also believe that supporting Israel is part of what we do and who we are in direct contrast to centuries of THE church treating Jews like Muslims do today
Conversely, we (the people) should support the basic human rights of Palistineans while strongly condemning the actions of the terrorist government (Hamas).
Both Netanyahu and Hamas can be open to condemnation. -
Peace has been on the table for 70 years
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Don't believe there was any mention of Netanyahu oppressing Palis.WestlinnDuck said:
Netanyahu isn't oppressing the Palis. Their largely worthless citizenry and Hamas leadership are fully responsible for any oppression. For some reason, Israel isn't oppressing Egypt and Jordan and wasn't oppressing Syria until ISIS and Iran got involved.PurpleThrobber said:
Agree to the extent that we (the people) should support the Israeli people. However, we (the people) are no more obligated to support the government of Israel than we are to accept the actions of our own.RaceBannon said:At the risk of sounding like an ancient goat herder I think the reason for millennia of hatred of the Jews is because the Bible is true
The most obvious answer can be the right answer
In that context it does extend far beyond modern politics. So I agree with my Cubano friend on that
As an evangelical christian (don't laugh) I also believe that supporting Israel is part of what we do and who we are in direct contrast to centuries of THE church treating Jews like Muslims do today
Conversely, we (the people) should support the basic human rights of Palistineans while strongly condemning the actions of the terrorist government (Hamas).
Both Netanyahu and Hamas can be open to condemnation.
Simply believe there are some holes in the tale of supposedly the greatest intelligence agency in the world caught with their pants down. Don't trust Netanyahu any more than Dick Cheney.
Don't trust the Hamas government either. Hopefully the Pali people wake up from their hypnosis just like hopefully the US liberals wake up from theirs.
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Sure. That's fine. And if that means Democrats hate Jews, so be it. I don't hold @Swaye in the Tug and the Oregon Bros are free to use that particular generalization if it works for them. I'm just saying that people who have issue (often generalized and unarticulated) with the Jews, in my experience, cross all kinds of boundaries - political, economic, regional, national and religious. The key word in your post is "overt". Yes, I personally know several hard right folks who are critical of the Jews. There's Israel and the issue with Islam, and that issue binds all of kinds of us because many people feel about the Arab middle east as do I, and most people here. That's that issue. "The Jews" is of course related, but also a separate issue. Ideas about the Jews and money, global influence and control, banking, etc. simply isn't unique to the Democratic party or liberal mindedness. And I don't believe this simply because of, say, a MTG and one of her more bizzaro cartoon comments about Jewish laser beams and Rothschild conspiracies. I assume everything she says and does is either for political theater or a result of the real crazies. Then again, I've always viewed Sharpton and that crew through the same lens as I view her: charlatans or crazy, or both.SFGbob said:
But you do have a political party that's populated with more overt anti-Semites than the other major political party. There's no GOP equivalents to Sharpton, Omar, Jefferies, Talib. Hell, nearly the entire CBC is lousy with anti-Semites. Obama spent 20 year in a Jew hating church, there's nothing comparable on the GOP's side of the aisle.creepycoug said:
I'm not sure, but that seems like a rhetorical question. I don't think we have a political party that hates Jews. I think a lot of people have a weird issue with Jews, and it goes back a ways. Antisemitism has been around for a long time, and shared by many.SFGbob said:
To the extent that you have a political party in power that does hate the Jews, which party would that be?creepycoug said:This is about students and their particular views. It's a leap to go from this to "Democrats hate Jews".
Political support for Israel, especially today, isn't a litmus test for how people feel about the Jews IMO. Given the animals who want to wipe Israel from existence, it's hardly surprising to me that there are a lot of people who side with Israel. Just consider the competition.
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The Mossad doesn't like Netanyahu. Like I said, our intelligence agencies hated JFK more than the loved the US. Same feelings toward Trump. Look at the 51 traitors that signed off on Hunter's laptop as Russian disinformation. I would trust but also verify Netanyahu. I still think he is an Israeli first unlike the midget in Ukraine who is happy grifting his way to the ruin of his country.PurpleThrobber said:
Don't believe there was any mention of Netanyahu oppressing Palis.WestlinnDuck said:
Netanyahu isn't oppressing the Palis. Their largely worthless citizenry and Hamas leadership are fully responsible for any oppression. For some reason, Israel isn't oppressing Egypt and Jordan and wasn't oppressing Syria until ISIS and Iran got involved.PurpleThrobber said:
Agree to the extent that we (the people) should support the Israeli people. However, we (the people) are no more obligated to support the government of Israel than we are to accept the actions of our own.RaceBannon said:At the risk of sounding like an ancient goat herder I think the reason for millennia of hatred of the Jews is because the Bible is true
The most obvious answer can be the right answer
In that context it does extend far beyond modern politics. So I agree with my Cubano friend on that
As an evangelical christian (don't laugh) I also believe that supporting Israel is part of what we do and who we are in direct contrast to centuries of THE church treating Jews like Muslims do today
Conversely, we (the people) should support the basic human rights of Palistineans while strongly condemning the actions of the terrorist government (Hamas).
Both Netanyahu and Hamas can be open to condemnation.
Simply believe there are some holes in the tale of supposedly the greatest intelligence agency in the world caught with their pants down. Don't trust Netanyahu any more than Dick Cheney.
Don't trust the Hamas government either. Hopefully the Pali people wake up from their hypnosis just like hopefully the US liberals wake up from theirs.
