Dawgnews is a retard/ doesn't understand how football works (Paging Auburn)
He used this crap as his evidence
USC - 4.00 (3.68 for backups)
UCLA - 3.77 (3.57 for backups)
Oregon - 3.68 (3.41 for backups)
Stanford - 3.55 (3.58 for backups) and clearly the most experienced team.
UW - 3.09 (3.12 for backups)
ASU - 3.00 (3.06 for backups)
WSU - 2.64 (2.71 for backups)
So obviously those numbers after the team names are highly researched production metrics for each individual position, right?
Nope, they're high school recruiting stars.
What Fleenor and the rest of the teen boy lovers completely disregard is that you don't rate college players' production by the rating that Biggins and Huffman gave them as 16 year olds. Coleman Shelton, Feeney, Tanigawa, Evan Hudson, DiAnndre Campbell, and Atoe are all bringing doen UWs rating because they were 2 star recruits but were good enough to start over 3-star guys. Three of those guys have been starting since they were RS Freshmen. Somebody even pointed out that substituting Riva in at RT and Ross at WR moves the number from 3.09 to 3.29.
Other players bringing down UWs rating include Danny Shelton (likely the best NT in the Pac-12), Marcus Peters (likely all Pac-12 at CB), and Kikaha (one of the top rushers in the PAC). All those guys are middle of the road talent according to Fleenor's system of rating players because they were 3-star high school players.
While there are some definite deficiencies at positions like OL due to Sark's shitty recruiting at those positions, Fleenor is using some fucking retarded logic here and keeps posting shit about it because he is so proud of himself and his research. The rest of the posters over there are too dumb to see this. Instead they are polishing Fleenor's knob and posting shit like "I never realized how far we are behind Stanford and Pete's lousy recruiting is putting us even further back (another myth that has been proven fucking wrong)"
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But i thought Sark was a great recruiter?
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Fuck Fleenor, that fuck can't breathe with out his little machine he carries around with him all the time
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Once you're awarded a star rating by Scout, that's how you'll be judged for the rest of your life.
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I might have wrote 'but Sark was a great recruiter, everyone says so' on that thread. I say might because that post no longer exists. #HiKimRaceBannon said:But i thought Sark was a great recruiter?
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Fucking retard fight of the century: Auburn vs Bleenor. There's not even any comedy value to be had.
I've tried to explain the meaninglessness of star ratings, once you're evaluating a roster of actual players who have actually played, to Auburn at least a dozen times. He just ignored me. He'd respond to every other person in the thread but me. -
Only missing sinceredawg and sunnyand85 to fill up the shortbus for that thread.
Section14aFS gets an honorable shortbus mention but he's been the voice of reason lately. He's moved up the Doogman power rankings for 2014. -
sinceredawg is the motherfucking stupidest person to ever post on a message board.
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Section14FS is now the voice of reason? Now I've heard it all...
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It's not hard to move up the doogman power rankings in 2014 ... all you have to do to do that is be smarter than flip flopping Aubbie, Butler Cabin's lack of neck, the LPT, and Kim's aliases (I mean friends) ...
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Truly. During the great CCCP purge - he was calling out the Lemon Party Trio on their double-standards several times daily.RaccoonHarry said:Section14FS is now the voice of reason? Now I've heard it all...
Rumor has it... he received a TO shortly after the Hawaii game. No warning either.
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This would be a good one for Dickus. Bleenor is simultaneously fluffing Sark and saying Pete has a rebuilding job ahead of him. How can these UW coaches win without five star talent? According to Bleenor, we shouldn't expect to until we are recruiting with USC and UCLA.
Bleenor has such a loser mentality. Good coaches win. If Peterman is who we think he is, he will win. If he doesn't and you make excuses for him, you are a doog. Win or GTFO. Nothing has changed. -
Is there nobody there pointing out that obvious contradiction? I'm not sure if Bleenor is that stupid or just realizes that his target audience is stupid enough to let that slide.RoadDawg55 said:This would be a good one for Dickus. Bleenor is simultaneously fluffing Sark and saying Pete has a rebuilding job ahead of him.
Abundance?
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I can't wait until Fleenor has a massive coranary.
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Bleenor is one of the main reasons i left dm.c. Toward the end of bball season he came on to explain how romar needed an extension to his contract. Even with all the 4 and 5 star recruits, lack of ncaa births, and all the other things going on with the program he should receive an extension. I mention this only b/c I challenged him specifically on that he woudln't treat a football coach in that manner. IF, a football coached missed the post season 3+ years running, nobody would be clamoring for an extension. Now, we have a coach who has a proven record of winning, developing players, getting them to the nfl, and oh yeah, fucking winning and people continue to cry.
Stars matter in some sense. Of course they do. The most talent typically will compete. That being said, scout and rivals and espn all skew rankings to a paying public. It's why ESPN rankings are generally directed at SEC recruits. Scout is much more West coast, and rivals is somewhere in the middle and pandering to their strong schools. At some point development matters, not what you were rated at 16.
I used to make fun of some of these idiots who live for recruiting, but can't name 10 players from a class 2 or 3 years back. It's just a joke how much they fawn over guys that the majority never play or make much of a difference. It's really sad actually. -
Auburn is the largest re re there. Got his ass handed to him the other day in regard to his brilliant analysis of seahawk defense vs Peyton...was classic. Cant win wherever he goes. Should have stayed here, would have saved what tiny credibility he had left. Hi Aubie, you now are lower than cockus and the equivilent over there. You and PGOS should get together for semen tea...plan your comeback to respectability
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We got a lot of belly laughs over here about Bleenor saying Romar needs an extension. To your other point, getting worked up over recruiting is so fucking stupid. Over the years I have completely lost interest in it. I couldn't name more than 3 UW targets for football this year.FreeChavez said:Bleenor is one of the main reasons i left dm.c. Toward the end of bball season he came on to explain how romar needed an extension to his contract. Even with all the 4 and 5 star recruits, lack of ncaa births, and all the other things going on with the program he should receive an extension. I mention this only b/c I challenged him specifically on that he woudln't treat a football coach in that manner. IF, a football coached missed the post season 3+ years running, nobody would be clamoring for an extension. Now, we have a coach who has a proven record of winning, developing players, getting them to the nfl, and oh yeah, fucking winning and people continue to cry.
Stars matter in some sense. Of course they do. The most talent typically will compete. That being said, scout and rivals and espn all skew rankings to a paying public. It's why ESPN rankings are generally directed at SEC recruits. Scout is much more West coast, and rivals is somewhere in the middle and pandering to their strong schools. At some point development matters, not what you were rated at 16.
I used to make fun of some of these idiots who live for recruiting, but can't name 10 players from a class 2 or 3 years back. It's just a joke how much they fawn over guys that the majority never play or make much of a difference. It's really sad actually.
Ektard and Fetters' impact reports are the most useless thing I've ever read. Every 4 and 5 star guy is expected to immediately factor into the depth and will eventually be an All Conference performer. Every two or three star guy is going to live in the weight room, put on 20 pounds and factor into the depth in 3 or 4 years. Somebody earlier this year pointed out that Eklund said Will Dissly was a guy who would be locked into the weight room for 3 years before he ever got on the field. Nobody really knows shit until the games are played. In most cases, it takes 2 or 3 years before you really know how good a class is. -
Stars mean something when you evaluate how well a coach recruits. The coaches go after the guys with the high ratings, and would take them all if they could, therefore stars are ONE measure of a coach's success as a recruiter. Just one measure though, no more important than others (evaluation comes to mind...not a Sarkisian specialty).
Stars mean something when you're talking about the as yet untested talent in your freshman and RS freshman classes. They don't mean much, but there isn't much else to go on.
Stars no longer mean a fucking thing, and shouldn't even be part of the conversation, once a guy has been a contributing part of the team on game days. They are just speculation after all. All previous speculation goes in the dumpster once you see guys play. Judge the talent by what you've seen or don't judge it or try to discuss it at all, unless you're Auburndoog or BleenorFS. -
Bingo, I don't consider Kikaha, Shelton and Peters three star players anymore, and neither do the doogs on doogman BECAUSE THEY FORGOT THEY WERE ONLY 3 STARS. Those guys are 5 star college players, and that is what matters.chuck said:Stars mean something when you evaluate how well a coach recruits. The coaches go after the guys with the high ratings, and would take them all if they could, therefore stars are ONE measure of a coach's success as a recruiter. Just one measure though, no more important than others (evaluation comes to mind...not a Sarkisian specialty).
Stars mean something when you're talking about the as yet untested talent in your freshman and RS freshman classes. They don't mean much, but there isn't much else to go on.
Stars no longer mean a fucking thing, and shouldn't even be part of the conversation, once a guy has been a contributing part of the team on game days. They are just speculation after all. All previous speculation goes in the dumpster once you see guys play. Judge the talent by what you've seen or don't judge it or try to discuss it at all, unless you're Auburndoog or BleenorFS. -
All this talking about recruits and nobody has linked a recruits twitter or fb page to get constant updates?
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He really needs to be put down. Or at least castrated. This fucker cant be pro-creating. The special Ed classes are already full.BlowItUp said:sinceredawg is the motherfucking stupidest person to ever post on a message board.
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I love signing day and reading about who UW signed and projecting and all that other BS. The news and reports and tweets and FB posts and LPT opinions and everything else leading up to signing day is just noise...it's adult men gossip and it's just weird.
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It would be interesting to take the same criteria used to apply stars to incoming freshmen 2-3 years into their career and compare the potential upside to reality. Not that I'd expect any scouting site to do research that would probably show how far off base they are when it comes to player evaluation or that coaching matters more than star ranking.
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IrishDoog's WoW channeled gets interrupted by a certain Dateline celeb...
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That's saying something.BlowItUp said:sinceredawg is the motherfucking stupidest person to ever post on a message board.
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You forgot stalkingAEB said:I love signing day and reading about who UW signed and projecting and all that other BS. The news and reports and tweets and FB posts and LPT opinions and everything else leading up to signing day is just noise...it's adult men gossip and it's just weird.
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Looks like someone found a way to remove the bolts from Frankenstein's neck.AZDuck said:Obligatory:
Fuck off
