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Anger grows as FEMA workers stay in luxury hotels amid the Maui Wildfires disaster

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  • thechatch
    thechatch Member Posts: 7,220 Standard Supporter
    edited August 2023
    Hahahaha

    They actually booked the Grand Wailea and Fairmont?

    This has to be a joke.
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,189 Standard Supporter
    thechatch said:

    Hahahaha

    They actually booked the Grand Wailea and Fairmont?

    This has to be a joke.

    They're just supporting the local economy, is what I'm hearing.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,897
    If they pay the government rate--which is FEMA's claim--who cares?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,817 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    If they pay the government rate--which is FEMA's claim--who cares?

    Must

    Defend

    Everything
  • thechatch
    thechatch Member Posts: 7,220 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    If they pay the government rate--which is FEMA's claim--who cares?

    This is a joke, right?
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,897
    thechatch said:

    HHusky said:

    If they pay the government rate--which is FEMA's claim--who cares?

    This is a joke, right?
    I asked my question first.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,897

    HHusky said:

    If they pay the government rate--which is FEMA's claim--who cares?

    Must

    Defend

    Everything
    Race finds the question too difficult.
  • thechatch
    thechatch Member Posts: 7,220 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    thechatch said:

    HHusky said:

    If they pay the government rate--which is FEMA's claim--who cares?

    This is a joke, right?
    I asked my question first.
    Well, I would say that the people of Maui care.

    Instead of setting up minutes from the disaster site in nearby Kaanapali, they’re an hour away in Wailea, staying in the 3 most expensive hotels in the Hawaiian Islands.

    It’s absurd.
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,436 Founders Club

    thechatch said:

    HHusky said:

    thechatch said:

    HHusky said:

    If they pay the government rate--which is FEMA's claim--who cares?

    This is a joke, right?
    I asked my question first.
    Well, I would say that the people of Maui care.

    Instead of setting up minutes from the disaster site in nearby Kaanapali, they’re an hour away in Wailea, staying in the 3 most expensive hotels in the Hawaiian Islands.

    It’s absurd.
    Imagine the howling from hh if this was Trumps FEMA staying in the most expensive hotels.

    By all accounts (other than goose stepping rats like hh), biden admin has fucked this up coming and going.
    100% this.

  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,062 Founders Club
    thechatch said:

    HHusky said:

    thechatch said:

    HHusky said:

    If they pay the government rate--which is FEMA's claim--who cares?

    This is a joke, right?
    I asked my question first.
    Well, I would say that the people of Maui care.

    Instead of setting up minutes from the disaster site in nearby Kaanapali, they’re an hour away in Wailea, staying in the 3 most expensive hotels in the Hawaiian Islands.

    It’s absurd.
    Yeah, this is an ICS response and I guarantee the logistics officer presented options for both(or more). Leadership took the chance to stay somewhere they wouldn't normally be able to afford 100% and said screw it to the optics. Public liason was probably shitting bricks.

    This is something that gets considered on small million dollar responses. You don't stay at the Sands resort in Laguna if you're cleaning up oil on that beach. It isn't a good look.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,062 Founders Club

    HHusky said:

    If they pay the government rate--which is FEMA's claim--who cares?

    Must

    Defend

    Everything
    But don't accuse him or @MelloDawg of being partisan hacks. A true conservative and centrist!
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,062 Founders Club
    pawz said:

    thechatch said:

    HHusky said:

    thechatch said:

    HHusky said:

    If they pay the government rate--which is FEMA's claim--who cares?

    This is a joke, right?
    I asked my question first.
    Well, I would say that the people of Maui care.

    Instead of setting up minutes from the disaster site in nearby Kaanapali, they’re an hour away in Wailea, staying in the 3 most expensive hotels in the Hawaiian Islands.

    It’s absurd.
    Imagine the howling from hh if this was Trumps FEMA staying in the most expensive hotels.

    By all accounts (other than goose stepping rats like hh), biden admin has fucked this up coming and going.
    100% this.

    The final distinctive characteristic of Russian propaganda is that it is not committed to consistency. First, different propaganda media do not necessarily broadcast the exact same themes or messages. Second, different channels do not necessarily broadcast the same account of contested events. Third, different channels or representatives show no fear of “changing their tune.” If one falsehood or misrepresentation is exposed or is not well received, the propagandists will discard it and move on to a new (though not necessarily more plausible) explanation. One example of such behavior is the string of accounts offered for the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. Russian sources have offered numerous theories about how the aircraft came to be shot down and by whom, very few of which are plausible.27 Lack of commitment to consistency is also apparent in statements from Russian President Vladimir Putin. For example, he first denied that the “little green men” in Crimea were Russian soldiers but later admitted that they were. Similarly, he at first denied any desire to see Crimea join Russia, but then he admitted that that had been his plan all along.28

    A propagandist doesn't need to be consistent nor does it matter if they are a hypocrite.
  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    HHusky said:

    If you're a partisan retard--who cares?

  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,897
    edited August 2023
    “FEMA selects where all responders can be centrally located to ensure the most effective response possible. Due to the lack of available lodging, FEMA negotiated government rates, at the lowest possible cost, for staff temporarily staying in the available hotels. As we transition into recovery, staff will move to longer term, more affordable lodging as they fulfill our commitment to support Maui,” the agency said in a statement to NewsNation.

    But you girls must have your outrage, of course. (They’re paying $345/night btw.)
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,557 Standard Supporter

    pawz said:

    thechatch said:

    HHusky said:

    thechatch said:

    HHusky said:

    If they pay the government rate--which is FEMA's claim--who cares?

    This is a joke, right?
    I asked my question first.
    Well, I would say that the people of Maui care.

    Instead of setting up minutes from the disaster site in nearby Kaanapali, they’re an hour away in Wailea, staying in the 3 most expensive hotels in the Hawaiian Islands.

    It’s absurd.
    Imagine the howling from hh if this was Trumps FEMA staying in the most expensive hotels.

    By all accounts (other than goose stepping rats like hh), biden admin has fucked this up coming and going.
    100% this.

    The final distinctive characteristic of Russian propaganda is that it is not committed to consistency. First, different propaganda media do not necessarily broadcast the exact same themes or messages. Second, different channels do not necessarily broadcast the same account of contested events. Third, different channels or representatives show no fear of “changing their tune.” If one falsehood or misrepresentation is exposed or is not well received, the propagandists will discard it and move on to a new (though not necessarily more plausible) explanation. One example of such behavior is the string of accounts offered for the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. Russian sources have offered numerous theories about how the aircraft came to be shot down and by whom, very few of which are plausible.27 Lack of commitment to consistency is also apparent in statements from Russian President Vladimir Putin. For example, he first denied that the “little green men” in Crimea were Russian soldiers but later admitted that they were. Similarly, he at first denied any desire to see Crimea join Russia, but then he admitted that that had been his plan all along.28

    A propagandist doesn't need to be consistent nor does it matter if they are a hypocrite.
    Sounds like the Team Dazzler dem party. Like I said, "No functional difference".
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,817 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    “FEMA selects where all responders can be centrally located to ensure the most effective response possible. Due to the lack of available lodging, FEMA negotiated government rates, at the lowest possible cost, for staff temporarily staying in the available hotels. As we transition into recovery, staff will move to longer term, more affordable lodging as they fulfill our commitment to support Maui,” the agency said in a statement to NewsNation.

    But you girls must have your outrage, of course. (They’re paying $345/night btw.)

    The government won't lie to us
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,897

    HHusky said:

    “FEMA selects where all responders can be centrally located to ensure the most effective response possible. Due to the lack of available lodging, FEMA negotiated government rates, at the lowest possible cost, for staff temporarily staying in the available hotels. As we transition into recovery, staff will move to longer term, more affordable lodging as they fulfill our commitment to support Maui,” the agency said in a statement to NewsNation.

    But you girls must have your outrage, of course. (They’re paying $345/night btw.)

    The government won't lie to us
    Investigate to your heart’s content.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,817 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    “FEMA selects where all responders can be centrally located to ensure the most effective response possible. Due to the lack of available lodging, FEMA negotiated government rates, at the lowest possible cost, for staff temporarily staying in the available hotels. As we transition into recovery, staff will move to longer term, more affordable lodging as they fulfill our commitment to support Maui,” the agency said in a statement to NewsNation.

    But you girls must have your outrage, of course. (They’re paying $345/night btw.)

    The government won't lie to us
    Investigate to your heart’s content.
    You'll just keep your head up your ass

    Too bad Trump doesn't have a hotel on Maui
  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    Come see @HHusky struggle in every thread.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,897

    HHusky said:

    “FEMA selects where all responders can be centrally located to ensure the most effective response possible. Due to the lack of available lodging, FEMA negotiated government rates, at the lowest possible cost, for staff temporarily staying in the available hotels. As we transition into recovery, staff will move to longer term, more affordable lodging as they fulfill our commitment to support Maui,” the agency said in a statement to NewsNation.

    But you girls must have your outrage, of course. (They’re paying $345/night btw.)

    Neat, I actually happen to be an expert in this area. I already knew they weren't paying $3k a night. It's not about the rate dumb dumb.

    Many of the resorts would probably completely comp the response teams in this case. Axe me how I know.

    Good attempt at a deflection though. I assume you picked the talking point up off of your favorite propaganda site.

    "Why a failed emergency response is actually a good thing for the residents of Maui."

    You put the evacuees in the comped luxury rooms and your ICS team stays in trailers or other makeshift accommodations as close to the response as is safe.

    Fema literally has training and positions specifically responsible for optics and conflicts of interest like this. You avoid even the appearance of such things even if they are comped.

    Unless you're a Dem and know the useful idiots will lap up whatever your PR department will spin for them.
    The other girls were complaining about the rate. They’re not “in the know” like you, Brenda.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,062 Founders Club
    hardhat said:

    Come see @HHusky struggle in every thread.

    I look forward to H carrying water even further up the hill when the receipts for Biden's bribes surface from the CCP. It will be entertaining to see the lengths he'll go. Karine Jean-minority hire would blush at his lies.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,897

    hardhat said:

    Come see @HHusky struggle in every thread.

    I look forward to H carrying water even further up the hill when the receipts for Biden's bribes surface from the CCP. It will be entertaining to see the lengths he'll go. Karine Jean-minority hire would blush at his lies.
    Sounds like you got him!
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,062 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    “FEMA selects where all responders can be centrally located to ensure the most effective response possible. Due to the lack of available lodging, FEMA negotiated government rates, at the lowest possible cost, for staff temporarily staying in the available hotels. As we transition into recovery, staff will move to longer term, more affordable lodging as they fulfill our commitment to support Maui,” the agency said in a statement to NewsNation.

    But you girls must have your outrage, of course. (They’re paying $345/night btw.)

    Neat, I actually happen to be an expert in this area. I already knew they weren't paying $3k a night. It's not about the rate dumb dumb.

    Many of the resorts would probably completely comp the response teams in this case. Axe me how I know.

    Good attempt at a deflection though. I assume you picked the talking point up off of your favorite propaganda site.

    "Why a failed emergency response is actually a good thing for the residents of Maui."

    You put the evacuees in the comped luxury rooms and your ICS team stays in trailers or other makeshift accommodations as close to the response as is safe.

    Fema literally has training and positions specifically responsible for optics and conflicts of interest like this. You avoid even the appearance of such things even if they are comped.

    Unless you're a Dem and know the useful idiots will lap up whatever your PR department will spin for them.
    The other girls were complaining about the rate. They’re not “in the know” like you, Brenda.
    Ok so nothing about the inappropriateness of it. Got it.

    Steel man your straw man.

    Deflect deflect deflect.

    Or did you want to respond? I won't hold my breathe diddler.
  • MelloDawg
    MelloDawg Member Posts: 6,845

    HHusky said:

    “FEMA selects where all responders can be centrally located to ensure the most effective response possible. Due to the lack of available lodging, FEMA negotiated government rates, at the lowest possible cost, for staff temporarily staying in the available hotels. As we transition into recovery, staff will move to longer term, more affordable lodging as they fulfill our commitment to support Maui,” the agency said in a statement to NewsNation.

    But you girls must have your outrage, of course. (They’re paying $345/night btw.)

    Neat, I actually happen to be an expert in this area. I already knew they weren't paying $3k a night. It's not about the rate dumb dumb.

    Many of the resorts would probably completely comp the response teams in this case. Axe me how I know.

    Good attempt at a deflection though. I assume you picked the talking point up off of your favorite propaganda site.

    "Why a failed emergency response is actually a good thing for the residents of Maui."

    You put the evacuees in the comped luxury rooms and your ICS team stays in trailers or other makeshift accommodations as close to the response as is safe.

    Fema literally has training and positions specifically responsible for optics and conflicts of interest like this. You avoid even the appearance of such things even if they are comped.

    Unless you're a Dem and know the useful idiots will lap up whatever your PR department will spin for them.
    How do you know?
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,436 Founders Club
    MelloDawg said:

    HHusky said:

    “FEMA selects where all responders can be centrally located to ensure the most effective response possible. Due to the lack of available lodging, FEMA negotiated government rates, at the lowest possible cost, for staff temporarily staying in the available hotels. As we transition into recovery, staff will move to longer term, more affordable lodging as they fulfill our commitment to support Maui,” the agency said in a statement to NewsNation.

    But you girls must have your outrage, of course. (They’re paying $345/night btw.)

    Neat, I actually happen to be an expert in this area. I already knew they weren't paying $3k a night. It's not about the rate dumb dumb.

    Many of the resorts would probably completely comp the response teams in this case. Axe me how I know.

    Good attempt at a deflection though. I assume you picked the talking point up off of your favorite propaganda site.

    "Why a failed emergency response is actually a good thing for the residents of Maui."

    You put the evacuees in the comped luxury rooms and your ICS team stays in trailers or other makeshift accommodations as close to the response as is safe.

    Fema literally has training and positions specifically responsible for optics and conflicts of interest like this. You avoid even the appearance of such things even if they are comped.

    Unless you're a Dem and know the useful idiots will lap up whatever your PR department will spin for them.
    How do you know?
    Reread the first sentence.

  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,897

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    “FEMA selects where all responders can be centrally located to ensure the most effective response possible. Due to the lack of available lodging, FEMA negotiated government rates, at the lowest possible cost, for staff temporarily staying in the available hotels. As we transition into recovery, staff will move to longer term, more affordable lodging as they fulfill our commitment to support Maui,” the agency said in a statement to NewsNation.

    But you girls must have your outrage, of course. (They’re paying $345/night btw.)

    Neat, I actually happen to be an expert in this area. I already knew they weren't paying $3k a night. It's not about the rate dumb dumb.

    Many of the resorts would probably completely comp the response teams in this case. Axe me how I know.

    Good attempt at a deflection though. I assume you picked the talking point up off of your favorite propaganda site.

    "Why a failed emergency response is actually a good thing for the residents of Maui."

    You put the evacuees in the comped luxury rooms and your ICS team stays in trailers or other makeshift accommodations as close to the response as is safe.

    Fema literally has training and positions specifically responsible for optics and conflicts of interest like this. You avoid even the appearance of such things even if they are comped.

    Unless you're a Dem and know the useful idiots will lap up whatever your PR department will spin for them.
    The other girls were complaining about the rate. They’re not “in the know” like you, Brenda.
    Ok so nothing about the inappropriateness of it. Got it.

    Steel man your straw man.

    Deflect deflect deflect.

    Or did you want to respond? I won't hold my breathe diddler.
    Inappropriateness of having FEMA staff located near one another. Gee, I wonder if they ever have meetings and planning sessions.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,725 Standard Supporter

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    “FEMA selects where all responders can be centrally located to ensure the most effective response possible. Due to the lack of available lodging, FEMA negotiated government rates, at the lowest possible cost, for staff temporarily staying in the available hotels. As we transition into recovery, staff will move to longer term, more affordable lodging as they fulfill our commitment to support Maui,” the agency said in a statement to NewsNation.

    But you girls must have your outrage, of course. (They’re paying $345/night btw.)

    The government won't lie to us
    Investigate to your heart’s content.
    You'll just keep your head up your ass

    Too bad Trump doesn't have a hotel on Maui
    Head up ass is no problem for the Dazzler. 7 monkey on a moped could do a U turn in that thing. His proctologist wears a miners helmet.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,062 Founders Club
    MelloDawg said:

    HHusky said:

    “FEMA selects where all responders can be centrally located to ensure the most effective response possible. Due to the lack of available lodging, FEMA negotiated government rates, at the lowest possible cost, for staff temporarily staying in the available hotels. As we transition into recovery, staff will move to longer term, more affordable lodging as they fulfill our commitment to support Maui,” the agency said in a statement to NewsNation.

    But you girls must have your outrage, of course. (They’re paying $345/night btw.)

    Neat, I actually happen to be an expert in this area. I already knew they weren't paying $3k a night. It's not about the rate dumb dumb.

    Many of the resorts would probably completely comp the response teams in this case. Axe me how I know.

    Good attempt at a deflection though. I assume you picked the talking point up off of your favorite propaganda site.

    "Why a failed emergency response is actually a good thing for the residents of Maui."

    You put the evacuees in the comped luxury rooms and your ICS team stays in trailers or other makeshift accommodations as close to the response as is safe.

    Fema literally has training and positions specifically responsible for optics and conflicts of interest like this. You avoid even the appearance of such things even if they are comped.

    Unless you're a Dem and know the useful idiots will lap up whatever your PR department will spin for them.
    How do you know?
    Without doxing myself I'm highly trained and have been involved in numerous mid-sized responses. I'm on-call on lists for California, and some national lists. I get to be in the leadership trailer for big responses and have been ICS command on small responses(which still even then have public liasons).

    During COVID most of you were running to Costco to grab the last toilet paper. I was on calls to figure out how to triage the public infrastructure so society didn't collapse. I even got my special Nazi papers allowing me free movement no matter what the lockdowns said.

    Beyond that, my friends, co-workers, and even family have been on some of the biggest responses in the last 20 years or basically since Fema got overhauled after Katrina.

    I'll be doing table top drills next month and I guarantee we will be discussing lessons learned of what not to do from Maui.

    Emergency response superiority guy, every board has one.

    FEMA Training (.gov)
    https://training.fema.gov › nims
    National Incident Management System (NIMS)