Here to get this off my chest
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YellowSnow said:
You seemed like a man in great pain which is understandable given the fucktardery of all this. As such, I let it go.Kaepsknee said:
I take it back.creepycoug said:
Greaseball? Lawyer talk?Kaepsknee said:
They brought little to the table other than consistent victories in the TV PAC 12 era. STFU greaseball. Stick to your abhorrent lawyer talk that no one GAF about.creepycoug said:
Let me get this straight. The fans of other schools might talk shit if we? don't show up and dominate? Look out! Lolz.Kaepsknee said:
The Midwest hates all that you stand for and only brought you on for late night content. You will enjoy the worst schedules and will eventually be Illini status.ntxduck said:Thank you UW. Seriously. Being stuck in the pac would have been the end of both programs. It’s why sc left and wanted to block
Oregon and UW badly —they were trying to kill off any other competitive programs out west.
I’m gonna get drunk tonight because this was really stressing me out. I didn’t have faith in mullens or Cohen. But they got it done. I love all of you.
You and Oregon will be the first tangible victims of the culture war.
Your fantasy of “they wouldn’t have invited us unless they wanted us” will be shattered by 2026. You’re both fillers for the real realignment.
When you go to most schools, most students will wonder why Washington is in the league now. And the History major will say well, they won a Rose Bowl against Purdue 25 years ago.
And belly laughs will ensue.
This involves money and positioning in the sport that pays for all the other shit about which the limp wristed crowd cares so much. It's a home run for UW and UO, given how the table was already set. It elevates recruiting, national visibility, facilities development, alumni giving ... you name it. The alternative is already playing out: become Mountain West +. There is no spinning out of that. Pac 12 helped elevate Cuog, Beav, Arizonas and Cal. They brought little to the table, though admittedly Cal brought history, old though it was. So entirely predictable that Cuog, Beav etc. would feel jilted. We? understand. Don't go away mad. Just go away. Or something.
You will probably be pegged, and hard in the East division with frequent trips to Maryland and Rutgers. The new Fish like you will be butt raped schedule wise and the whole West Coast is here for it.
Take it back Cuog.
Sorry. It’s been a rough weak.
When you lose your Athletic program? It hurts. A lot. I’m not sure there’s a beach long enough for it. But that’s show biz.
I apologize to rowboat as well. I’m not trying to save face here. Just trying to right my true wrongs in meltdown ‘23.
It's possible that I have more empathy for the Kewg than some here. For the record, I don't think Washington should feel any remorse about doing what was necessary to survive as a program. We? didn't create this mess after all. And I don't have a problem with football programs being compensated based on the overall value of their brand.
But if we're going to demote the little sisters of the pour, then I'd like to see it done fairly across the sport, rather than by geographic dumb luck. It makes zero god damned sense for the Kewg to go from making Pac-12 money to MWC $4 million a year, while Indiana, Rutgers, Vandy, Mississippi State, and Purdue et al, keeping raking in the Power Conference money.
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The University of Chicago modelCougzz said:A WSU Professor and 25 of his colleagues weighed in on this four years ago. Somewhat forward thinking.
We hereby submit that WSU:
Put all employees associated with the intercollegiate football program on indefinite furlough.
Start the process of removing WSU intercollegiate football from the WSU athletic program.
Continue to pay scholarships to the football players promised such until they graduate, but not initiate any new football scholarships.
Request the WSU Faculty Senate develop position statements related to the incompatibilities of football with any institution of higher education.
It is anticipated that the financial savings to WSU will be substantial and thereby enhance our academic programs.
It is anticipated that WSU will be recognized as a national leader in higher education by eliminating harm done to our students for the sake of entertainment.
James M. Krueger, PhD, MDHC, Regents Professor -
Are we shutting down Women's Kewg Row Boat too?Cougzz said:A WSU Professor and 25 of his colleagues weighed in on this four years ago. Somewhat forward thinking.
We hereby submit that WSU:
Put all employees associated with the intercollegiate football program on indefinite furlough.
Start the process of removing WSU intercollegiate football from the WSU athletic program.
Continue to pay scholarships to the football players promised such until they graduate, but not initiate any new football scholarships.
Request the WSU Faculty Senate develop position statements related to the incompatibilities of football with any institution of higher education.
It is anticipated that the financial savings to WSU will be substantial and thereby enhance our academic programs.
It is anticipated that WSU will be recognized as a national leader in higher education by eliminating harm done to our students for the sake of entertainment.
James M. Krueger, PhD, MDHC, Regents Professor -
All the Pac 12 schools have professors like these and no one with any power on those campuses gives a shit about what they think.
They know that a prominent state university without football involvement is like creating a startup with no marketing whatsoever.
Only exceptions are schools like Gonzaga and Villanova and really who gives a shit about them. -
Sounds like a racist.Cougzz said:A WSU Professor and 25 of his colleagues weighed in on this four years ago. Somewhat forward thinking.
We hereby submit that WSU:
Put all employees associated with the intercollegiate football program on indefinite furlough.
Start the process of removing WSU intercollegiate football from the WSU athletic program.
Continue to pay scholarships to the football players promised such until they graduate, but not initiate any new football scholarships.
Request the WSU Faculty Senate develop position statements related to the incompatibilities of football with any institution of higher education.
It is anticipated that the financial savings to WSU will be substantial and thereby enhance our academic programs.
It is anticipated that WSU will be recognized as a national leader in higher education by eliminating harm done to our students for the sake of entertainment.
James M. Krueger, PhD, MDHC, Regents Professor -
Those are not prominent state universitieshaie said:All the Pac 12 schools have professors like these and no one with any power on those campuses gives a shit about what they think.
They know that a prominent state university without football involvement is like creating a startup with no marketing whatsoever.
Only exceptions are schools like Gonzaga and Villanova and really who gives a shit about them. -
I find myself in the awkward position of having to agree with haie. Had this occurred at UW my opening line would have been:haie said:All the Pac 12 schools have professors like these and no one with any power on those campuses gives a shit about what they think.
They know that a prominent state university without football involvement is like creating a startup with no marketing whatsoever.
Only exceptions are schools like Gonzaga and Villanova and really who gives a shit about them.
A UW Professor and 2,500 of his colleagues weighed in on this four years ago. -
Unless you’re an Ivy League school, athletics (be it intramural or semi-pro) is usually a good thing for the university, and I really don’t understand why there are still people that don’t understand it’s a symbiotic relationship.haie said:All the Pac 12 schools have professors like these and no one with any power on those campuses gives a shit about what they think.
They know that a prominent state university without football involvement is like creating a startup with no marketing whatsoever.
Only exceptions are schools like Gonzaga and Villanova and really who gives a shit about them.
I will however stick up for some of these professors and acknowledge that it’s not realistic for all schools to have big football programs (just like every college doesn’t need an anthropology department). The athletic arms race has gotten out of hand, and many are going bankrupt trying to keep up.
Cal and Stanford should get rid of football and basketball and stick to Olympic sports. They don’t need the FREE PUB! that football and basketball bring.
For the Coug and Beavs, it’s a little more tricky. They’re not national brands outside of CFB junkies. They’re certainly not some no name liberal arts school or community college either. Honestly the MWC is actually a perfect fit for them, as they won’t feel the pressure to spend as much money on sports, while still enjoying the benefits of having a program.
Things always change too…WSU and OSU continue to grow. They can join up with someone else when there’s another realignment. -
It's a good conversation to have.Doog_de_Jour said:
Unless you’re an Ivy League school, athletics (be it intramural or semi-pro) is usually a good thing for the university, and I really don’t understand why there are still people that don’t understand it’s a symbiotic relationship.haie said:All the Pac 12 schools have professors like these and no one with any power on those campuses gives a shit about what they think.
They know that a prominent state university without football involvement is like creating a startup with no marketing whatsoever.
Only exceptions are schools like Gonzaga and Villanova and really who gives a shit about them.
I will however stick up for some of these professors and acknowledge that it’s not realistic for all schools to have big football programs (just like every college doesn’t need an anthropology department). The athletic arms race has gotten out of hand, and many are going bankrupt trying to keep up.
Cal and Stanford should get rid of football and basketball and stick to Olympic sports. They don’t need the FREE PUB! that football and basketball bring.
For the Coug and Beavs, it’s a little more tricky. They’re not national brands outside of CFB junkies. They’re certainly not some no name liberal arts school or community college either. Honestly the MWC is actually a perfect fit for them, as they won’t feel the pressure to spend as much money on sports, while still enjoying the benefits of having a program.
Things always change too…WSU and OSU continue to grow. They can join up with someone else when there’s another realignment.
We need to speed up the process of sorting out the Universities that can support an entire AD based off the market value of their football brand and those that can't.
The era of tit sucking of the have nots from the haves needs to come to an end once and for all.
The bell tolls for thee @SECDAWG -
Agree that the arms race is dumb. NIL (real kind, not what Oregon and aTm does) and throwing some more money into better housing + small stipend is all that was ever needed. Let kids do engineering/pre-med and properly support it.
WSU and OSU kind of barely clear the bar for me as football programs that already deserve to be in power 5. They are power 5 schools, which separates them from Fresno and Boise.
It is dumb that schools that inherently feel small time like Texas Tech and Indiana get a pass.
