DeBoer on UW recruiting and NIL
Per Mike Vorel in the Times:
MV: In terms of NIL resources, education and collectives surrounding the program, do you feel like Washington has what it needs to win recruiting battles for the top players in the country?
KD: “We’ve come a long way over the last 12 months, and I don’t think we’re there yet. We are headed in the right direction, and the support continues to grow. It’s very promising, in my mind, where we’re going to be. A lot of it has to do with the sustainability that’s going to be there for us, because of the foundation within our university with NIL. I feel like everything’s been done the right way. There are smart people making good decisions. We have a lot of support. It’s just a matter of continuing to educate our donors and our fan base on how NIL works and how it’s being done at our university, how important it is to producing a high-end team every year. That education continues to lead to more and more support. Hopefully, a year from now we’re talking about another level that we’ve gone to.
“So it’s been a slower climb, but I feel really good about the direction we’re going. Could there have been a guy or two that we might have in our program that we don’t? Yeah, probably. But it is what it is and we’re still attracting the right guys to our program. I’ve been coaching long enough to know that the guys who want to have a transformation and not just a transaction, those are the ones that you win with long term.”
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Not a bad job of toeing the line while revealing what he really thinks.
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I heard that he thinks we are not good at NIL loud and clear.chuck said:Not a bad job of toeing the line while revealing what he really thinks.
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I’ve been unimpressed with recruiting but after 11 wins and a shared off season natty deboner has earned the opportunity to get his own guys in here. I hope with another 11+ win season he’ll be able to beat some of the “big boys” for some more coveted recruits. Being able to bring in some all conference transfers will be huge and again hope we see this in the next cycle as the cupboards feel a little bare. They might have high potential guys who need a couple years to get there and that’s cool but who the fuck is going to play in ‘24? If this crews process includes development that’s ok BUT we? Have a two year black hole in recruiting which looks concerning on paper.
TL; dr. I wonder if deboner has his hands in driving nil opportunities? I wonder if stacking 10/11+ win seasons will drive more dollars? Where’s sonic when you need him. -
It's not horrible news. He's well spoken for a white guy
UW obviously lost the QB to Ohio State but that was development not money
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Probably not related at all🤔
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Development vs. transaction might win a small fraction of battles against schools that are poor at the former. Particularly (like you saw a lot with Petersen) with kids that already come from money. The problem is there there are plenty of "schools" out there at which a kid can get both. The NFL draft is littered with players that drove shockingly nice cars while "going to school," and this predates NIL by a long ways.
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Yes, but first he said (paraphrased) "it's hard."AtomicDawg said:
I heard that he thinks we are not good at NIL loud and clear.chuck said:Not a bad job of toeing the line while revealing what he really thinks.
Nicer than a Camaro?1to392831weretaken said:Development vs. transaction might win a small fraction of battles against schools that are poor at the former. Particularly (like you saw a lot with Petersen) with kids that already come from money. The problem is there there are plenty of "schools" out there at which a kid can get both. The NFL draft is littered with players that drove shockingly nice cars while "going to school," and this predates NIL by a long ways.
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I think the mentality of someone who values development over a few bucks is the big kicker. Especially in football where you have to be very committed to hurting yourself to make plays.1to392831weretaken said:Development vs. transaction might win a small fraction of battles against schools that are poor at the former. Particularly (like you saw a lot with Petersen) with kids that already come from money. The problem is there there are plenty of "schools" out there at which a kid can get both. The NFL draft is littered with players that drove shockingly nice cars while "going to school," and this predates NIL by a long ways.
Something to be said for having guys that won't transfer out when the check is delayed -
Plenty of schools do both. It's up to the fan base, admin and big dick boosters to decide how much they care. It's not an either or. Bama has been paying their players well for years before this.Canadawg said:
I think the mentality of someone who values development over a few bucks is the big kicker. Especially in football where you have to be very committed to hurting yourself to make plays.1to392831weretaken said:Development vs. transaction might win a small fraction of battles against schools that are poor at the former. Particularly (like you saw a lot with Petersen) with kids that already come from money. The problem is there there are plenty of "schools" out there at which a kid can get both. The NFL draft is littered with players that drove shockingly nice cars while "going to school," and this predates NIL by a long ways.
Something to be said for having guys that won't transfer out when the check is delayed -
Reading this just makes me laugh when those tied into UW NIL were busy telling me how wrong I was when I was calling out how behind the curve UW’s NIL efforts have been
No doubt improvements have been made
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Tequilla said:
Reading this just makes me laugh when those tied into UW NIL were busy telling me how wrong I was when I was calling out how behind the curve UW’s NIL efforts have been
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Jen assured me it’s not her fault in any way and that her hands are tied.
Then she asked me for money. LOL -
I bet her hands are tied…MakaDawg said:Jen assured me it’s not her fault in any way and that her hands are tied.
Then she asked me for money. LOL -
Step 1: Move to the B1G
Step 2: Tell athletic department to pay its own bills with the increased media check and therefore don't ask the boosters for shit
Step 3: Have CKD issue an ultimatum on the importance of a fully-funded NIL slush fund
Step 4: Let the boosters — big and small — decide how much they value football success at UW
Step 5: Profit!! -
Texas, USC, Texas A&M, Florida, Florida State, TennesseeAtomicDawg said:
Plenty of schools do both. It's up to the fan base, admin and big dick boosters to decide how much they care. It's not an either or. Bama has been paying their players well for years before this.Canadawg said:
I think the mentality of someone who values development over a few bucks is the big kicker. Especially in football where you have to be very committed to hurting yourself to make plays.1to392831weretaken said:Development vs. transaction might win a small fraction of battles against schools that are poor at the former. Particularly (like you saw a lot with Petersen) with kids that already come from money. The problem is there there are plenty of "schools" out there at which a kid can get both. The NFL draft is littered with players that drove shockingly nice cars while "going to school," and this predates NIL by a long ways.
Something to be said for having guys that won't transfer out when the check is delayed
All top 10ish recruiting programs that haven't accomplished anything with it in many recruiting cycles. Obviously highschool talent means something but the even the best cars need good tires -
No ... it actually didhaie said:Tequilla said:Reading this just makes me laugh when those tied into UW NIL were busy telling me how wrong I was when I was calling out how behind the curve UW’s NIL efforts have been
There's a former UW swimmer turned lawyer that is heavily involved in the NIL stuff ... regularly told me on Twitter that I was mistaken when I talked about how behind the curve UW NIL stuff was
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The cleanest way for UW to become more competitive in the NIL world is exactly what you noted with Step 2 ... the Athletic Department needs to be self funding without begging for support from donations, etc.Geevis_and_Butthead said:Step 1: Move to the B1G
Step 2: Tell athletic department to pay its own bills with the increased media check and therefore don't ask the boosters for shit
Step 3: Have CKD issue an ultimatum on the importance of a fully-funded NIL slush fund
Step 4: Let the boosters — big and small — decide how much they value football success at UW
Step 5: Profit!!
Do that and the donations that they receive today can be "repurposed" to NIL -
Tennessee just finished 6th in both polls, beating Bama, Clempson, and LSU. One of their losses was a close(ish) one to the champs. I don't think they belong on your list. The rest of your list are very similar schools that don't support a counterargument in the way you think they do. I don't think anybody's arguing development vs. recruiting rankings, which is what I think you're getting caught up in. What's being said is that there are schools that do BOTH. You can't argue that Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson, etc. don't develop players. The NFL draft suggests that they develop players just fine. They also pay them and have for as long as I've been following the game.Canadawg said:
Texas, USC, Texas A&M, Florida, Florida State, TennesseeAtomicDawg said:
Plenty of schools do both. It's up to the fan base, admin and big dick boosters to decide how much they care. It's not an either or. Bama has been paying their players well for years before this.Canadawg said:
I think the mentality of someone who values development over a few bucks is the big kicker. Especially in football where you have to be very committed to hurting yourself to make plays.1to392831weretaken said:Development vs. transaction might win a small fraction of battles against schools that are poor at the former. Particularly (like you saw a lot with Petersen) with kids that already come from money. The problem is there there are plenty of "schools" out there at which a kid can get both. The NFL draft is littered with players that drove shockingly nice cars while "going to school," and this predates NIL by a long ways.
Something to be said for having guys that won't transfer out when the check is delayed
All top 10ish recruiting programs that haven't accomplished anything with it in many recruiting cycles. Obviously highschool talent means something but the even the best cars need good tires
So nobody is going to argue about schools that chase recruiting rankings and don't develop like most of the schools in your list. The question is how UW goes about not losing a QB or hometown future AA receiver to Ohio State or a California AA tight end to Georgia. Because you're not going to make a "we'll get you in the NFL" argument that's going to win a kid over when any of those schools are an option. -
DeBoer won't stick around for a continued "slow climb" or if he's repeatedly losing recruits to schools specifically due to UW's funding issues for NIL
Won't be good If UW hasn't made any move toward the Big Ten by the end of the season
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I know who you're talking about and all I have to say about it isTequilla said:
The cleanest way for UW to become more competitive in the NIL world is exactly what you noted with Step 2 ... the Athletic Department needs to be self funding without begging for support from donations, etc.Geevis_and_Butthead said:Step 1: Move to the B1G
Step 2: Tell athletic department to pay its own bills with the increased media check and therefore don't ask the boosters for shit
Step 3: Have CKD issue an ultimatum on the importance of a fully-funded NIL slush fund
Step 4: Let the boosters — big and small — decide how much they value football success at UW
Step 5: Profit!!
Do that and the donations that they receive today can be "repurposed" to NIL
LOL.................
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I agree with your second paragraph but as to your first one I'd say that my point is UW is never going to be in the top 10 in recruiting consistently so don't just do what those schools that chase rankings as you say. As for Tennessee please observe https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/trends/win_trends/?range=yearly_since_2013 and scroll down...keep scrolling...all the teams I mentioned are way down there over the past decade1to392831weretaken said:
Tennessee just finished 6th in both polls, beating Bama, Clempson, and LSU. One of their losses was a close(ish) one to the champs. I don't think they belong on your list. The rest of your list are very similar schools that don't support a counterargument in the way you think they do. I don't think anybody's arguing development vs. recruiting rankings, which is what I think you're getting caught up in. What's being said is that there are schools that do BOTH. You can't argue that Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson, etc. don't develop players. The NFL draft suggests that they develop players just fine. They also pay them and have for as long as I've been following the game.Canadawg said:
Texas, USC, Texas A&M, Florida, Florida State, TennesseeAtomicDawg said:
Plenty of schools do both. It's up to the fan base, admin and big dick boosters to decide how much they care. It's not an either or. Bama has been paying their players well for years before this.Canadawg said:
I think the mentality of someone who values development over a few bucks is the big kicker. Especially in football where you have to be very committed to hurting yourself to make plays.1to392831weretaken said:Development vs. transaction might win a small fraction of battles against schools that are poor at the former. Particularly (like you saw a lot with Petersen) with kids that already come from money. The problem is there there are plenty of "schools" out there at which a kid can get both. The NFL draft is littered with players that drove shockingly nice cars while "going to school," and this predates NIL by a long ways.
Something to be said for having guys that won't transfer out when the check is delayed
All top 10ish recruiting programs that haven't accomplished anything with it in many recruiting cycles. Obviously highschool talent means something but the even the best cars need good tires
So nobody is going to argue about schools that chase recruiting rankings and don't develop like most of the schools in your list. The question is how UW goes about not losing a QB or hometown future AA receiver to Ohio State or a California AA tight end to Georgia. Because you're not going to make a "we'll get you in the NFL" argument that's going to win a kid over when any of those schools are an option. -
You're missing the point. Those schools you listed don't fall into mediocrity because they get players that may go for the pay day. They are mediocre because their coaching staffs are not good. Plenty of good programs paid players long before NIL. This isn't new for big time college football.Canadawg said:
I agree with your second paragraph but as to your first one I'd say that my point is UW is never going to be in the top 10 in recruiting consistently so don't just do what those schools that chase rankings as you say. As for Tennessee please observe https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/trends/win_trends/?range=yearly_since_2013 and scroll down...keep scrolling...all the teams I mentioned are way down there over the past decade1to392831weretaken said:
Tennessee just finished 6th in both polls, beating Bama, Clempson, and LSU. One of their losses was a close(ish) one to the champs. I don't think they belong on your list. The rest of your list are very similar schools that don't support a counterargument in the way you think they do. I don't think anybody's arguing development vs. recruiting rankings, which is what I think you're getting caught up in. What's being said is that there are schools that do BOTH. You can't argue that Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson, etc. don't develop players. The NFL draft suggests that they develop players just fine. They also pay them and have for as long as I've been following the game.Canadawg said:
Texas, USC, Texas A&M, Florida, Florida State, TennesseeAtomicDawg said:
Plenty of schools do both. It's up to the fan base, admin and big dick boosters to decide how much they care. It's not an either or. Bama has been paying their players well for years before this.Canadawg said:
I think the mentality of someone who values development over a few bucks is the big kicker. Especially in football where you have to be very committed to hurting yourself to make plays.1to392831weretaken said:Development vs. transaction might win a small fraction of battles against schools that are poor at the former. Particularly (like you saw a lot with Petersen) with kids that already come from money. The problem is there there are plenty of "schools" out there at which a kid can get both. The NFL draft is littered with players that drove shockingly nice cars while "going to school," and this predates NIL by a long ways.
Something to be said for having guys that won't transfer out when the check is delayed
All top 10ish recruiting programs that haven't accomplished anything with it in many recruiting cycles. Obviously highschool talent means something but the even the best cars need good tires
So nobody is going to argue about schools that chase recruiting rankings and don't develop like most of the schools in your list. The question is how UW goes about not losing a QB or hometown future AA receiver to Ohio State or a California AA tight end to Georgia. Because you're not going to make a "we'll get you in the NFL" argument that's going to win a kid over when any of those schools are an option. -
You're a fool ... but that's nothing newhaie said:
I know who you're talking about and all I have to say about it isTequilla said:
The cleanest way for UW to become more competitive in the NIL world is exactly what you noted with Step 2 ... the Athletic Department needs to be self funding without begging for support from donations, etc.Geevis_and_Butthead said:Step 1: Move to the B1G
Step 2: Tell athletic department to pay its own bills with the increased media check and therefore don't ask the boosters for shit
Step 3: Have CKD issue an ultimatum on the importance of a fully-funded NIL slush fund
Step 4: Let the boosters — big and small — decide how much they value football success at UW
Step 5: Profit!!
Do that and the donations that they receive today can be "repurposed" to NIL
LOL.................
Can't.
Stop.
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The old UW will never be top ten in recruiting argument. From day one of the half brains in 07.
Oregon didn't use to be top 50 in recruiting
UW was top ten in recruiting after I almost fired Don James
There is nothing stopping this university in this city from doing whatever the fuck it wants to win and win big. Other than small minds. An ongoing issue
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This is what happens with a generation of husky fans that were just happy to win 7 games and go to a bowl coming out of the Ty/gilby years. It's also why people think Jen is adequate to lead the athletic dept.RaceBannon said:The old UW will never be top ten in recruiting argument. From day one of the half brains in 07.
Oregon didn't use to be top 50 in recruiting
UW was top ten in recruiting after I almost fired Don James
There is nothing stopping this university in this city from doing whatever the fuck it wants to win and win big. Other than small minds. An ongoing issue
When UW buys players they win. Add a coach like DeBoer and they would win big -
There has to be a way to find a happy medium that works for UW. I think being able to break the bank for bag type guys who are legit interested in UW would be great, especially if they are local. JTT and Emeka are perfect examples. Hypothetically they should never lose guys like that because they won't play ball. Conerly, I'm not sure. He didn't feel on those guys' level and the program was in shambles.AtomicDawg said:
This is what happens with a generation of husky fans that were just happy to win 7 games and go to a bowl coming out of the Ty/gilby years. It's also why people think Jen is adequate to lead the athletic dept.RaceBannon said:The old UW will never be top ten in recruiting argument. From day one of the half brains in 07.
Oregon didn't use to be top 50 in recruiting
UW was top ten in recruiting after I almost fired Don James
There is nothing stopping this university in this city from doing whatever the fuck it wants to win and win big. Other than small minds. An ongoing issue
When UW buys players they win. Add a coach like DeBoer and they would win big
Shaq Thompson comes to mind as a type of guy they need to get sometimes. -
PAC schools wish football didnt exist. Why on earth you guys think they'll ever do anything to make them more competitive with SEC and B1G I'll never understand.
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The B1G and the SEC? Or do you mean tOSU, Michigan, Georgia, and Bama?Pitchfork51 said:PAC schools wish football didnt exist. Why on earth you guys think they'll ever do anything to make them more competitive with SEC and B1G I'll never understand.
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@Sandra6 ? True?whatshouldicareabout said:
The B1G and the SEC? Or do you mean tOSU, Michigan, Georgia, and Bama?Pitchfork51 said:PAC schools wish football didnt exist. Why on earth you guys think they'll ever do anything to make them more competitive with SEC and B1G I'll never understand.
Didn't see Rutgers or Maryland end the season ranked #8 in the nation
