Florida passes 6 week abortion plan
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My $0.02 is just that, it's my view and it may or may not be to anyone's liking.creepycoug said:
I"m not sure what the $0.02 means. Lawyers and politicians are just people, and they are as entitled to their own moral compass, informed by religion or not, as a reality TV star. Please.Blueduck said:TurdBomber said:
Agreed. But politics poison all morality. Better to keep them separate, as often as possible.creepycoug said:
Political reality doesn't change the moral equation. God knows our politics are anything but an exercise in true moral thinking.TurdBomber said:
At least 50% of women will never, ever go there. Maybe even 70%.creepycoug said:
True. But we pass laws all the time that take personal decisions into the public domain. So, "It was my personal decision to kill by mother-in-law" is fine, but we're prosecuting that person anyway because we decided we can't live with that personal decision.TurdBomber said:
Sacrifices are part of life. Getting 50% of your way is better than losing 100%.creepycoug said:
You are in contention for joining the right side. We have our eyes on you.TurdBomber said:
Whatever the time-frame, it'll always be a compromise and terminating a life.PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber is an expert on the female anatomy and skillfully tracking when his significant other’s period is scheduled. No nookie during the rainy season.thechatch said:I also see a lot of “GOOD LUCK IN 2024 LADIES!!!!” from HH and zero in the way of making an argument against the legislation.
I personally think 6 weeks is a tight frame, and I’m not factoring the subjective argument in terms of when life begins that the left likes to get itself embroiled in.
For me, it’s what’s a reasonable timeline for someone to learn that they’re pregnant and make a rational decision to keep or terminate the pregnancy. 6 weeks is enough for many people, but apparently not all, and I get that. I had a friend whose aunt was 10 weeks along before she knew she and her husband were expecting. It’s not the norm but it definitely happens.
Needs to be set at least at 8 to 9 weeks so a skipped period doesn’t trigger an immediate trip to the abortion clinic during the first pass.
Make it 16 to 20 weeks.
Some fat dumb women won't know until then, sad to say, and it's probably better for humanity that those folks don't propagate.
If a woman wants to off her fetus somewhere approaching viability that's between her and the man upstairs.
I don't have to agree with it to accept it as a fact of modern life.
Same thing here. The trick is helping people understand what it is they're doing, even if it's on day 1. Political expediency and consensus has (or should have) nothing to do with it. It should be axiomatic.
Otherwise you get Got Hates Fags on one side and God Loves Trannies on the other.
Enough to cause any rational person to avert their attention and not look again.
Fwiw...
I just want to point out that separation of church and state was originally meant to keep the state out of the church, not the church out of the state.
Our founding fathers invoked God several times in our Constitution because they believed that the church was supposed to be a moral compass for the state.
I would like to say that, for the majority of the history of this country we have had leaders who drew upon their religious beliefs but the Politicians and lawyers have argued and corrupted everything along the way to the point of expelling the church's morality stumbling block for compromise on issues to get something instead of nothing..
We were also warned by our forefathers not to elect a bunch of lawyers to run the country, and look at what we have.
We are where we are because the church and morality have been removed from all political discussion.
I would argue to bring morality back to the front, not keep it separate.
My $0.02
The bottom line, which I once resisted but have come to embrace, is that we? are a nation whose most fundamental organizing principles are rooted in Judea-Christian/Western moral traditions. So, basic concepts like "leave me alone unless I'm bother you," sanctity of human life, etc., liberty, etc. are at the foundation of who we? are. I doesn't matter whether it was handed down by an actual deity or if it's humanism in its highest form. Either one works.
So, back to the issue: innocent human life cannot be taken for convenience, period. Has nothing to do with autonomy or privacy. We can't compromise on these things. Just like with slavery, we may need to fight this one out in the streets. I'm ready. Are you?
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No. OBK is at Gitmo.creepycoug said:
Damone and I ran that guy off like a beeitch. He dead man. He dead.PurpleThrobber said:
Lawyers have the vril worm embedded in their eyes.creepycoug said:
I"m not sure what the $0.02 means. Lawyers and politicians are just people, and they are as entitled to their own moral compass, informed by religion or not, as a reality TV star. Please.Blueduck said:TurdBomber said:
Agreed. But politics poison all morality. Better to keep them separate, as often as possible.creepycoug said:
Political reality doesn't change the moral equation. God knows our politics are anything but an exercise in true moral thinking.TurdBomber said:
At least 50% of women will never, ever go there. Maybe even 70%.creepycoug said:
True. But we pass laws all the time that take personal decisions into the public domain. So, "It was my personal decision to kill by mother-in-law" is fine, but we're prosecuting that person anyway because we decided we can't live with that personal decision.TurdBomber said:
Sacrifices are part of life. Getting 50% of your way is better than losing 100%.creepycoug said:
You are in contention for joining the right side. We have our eyes on you.TurdBomber said:
Whatever the time-frame, it'll always be a compromise and terminating a life.PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber is an expert on the female anatomy and skillfully tracking when his significant other’s period is scheduled. No nookie during the rainy season.thechatch said:I also see a lot of “GOOD LUCK IN 2024 LADIES!!!!” from HH and zero in the way of making an argument against the legislation.
I personally think 6 weeks is a tight frame, and I’m not factoring the subjective argument in terms of when life begins that the left likes to get itself embroiled in.
For me, it’s what’s a reasonable timeline for someone to learn that they’re pregnant and make a rational decision to keep or terminate the pregnancy. 6 weeks is enough for many people, but apparently not all, and I get that. I had a friend whose aunt was 10 weeks along before she knew she and her husband were expecting. It’s not the norm but it definitely happens.
Needs to be set at least at 8 to 9 weeks so a skipped period doesn’t trigger an immediate trip to the abortion clinic during the first pass.
Make it 16 to 20 weeks.
Some fat dumb women won't know until then, sad to say, and it's probably better for humanity that those folks don't propagate.
If a woman wants to off her fetus somewhere approaching viability that's between her and the man upstairs.
I don't have to agree with it to accept it as a fact of modern life.
Same thing here. The trick is helping people understand what it is they're doing, even if it's on day 1. Political expediency and consensus has (or should have) nothing to do with it. It should be axiomatic.
Otherwise you get Got Hates Fags on one side and God Loves Trannies on the other.
Enough to cause any rational person to avert their attention and not look again.
Fwiw...
I just want to point out that separation of church and state was originally meant to keep the state out of the church, not the church out of the state.
Our founding fathers invoked God several times in our Constitution because they believed that the church was supposed to be a moral compass for the state.
I would like to say that, for the majority of the history of this country we have had leaders who drew upon their religious beliefs but the Politicians and lawyers have argued and corrupted everything along the way to the point of expelling the church's morality stumbling block for compromise on issues to get something instead of nothing..
We were also warned by our forefathers not to elect a bunch of lawyers to run the country, and look at what we have.
We are where we are because the church and morality have been removed from all political discussion.
I would argue to bring morality back to the front, not keep it separate.
My $0.02
The bottom line, which I once resisted but have come to embrace, is that we? are a nation whose most fundamental organizing principles are rooted in Judea-Christian/Western moral traditions. So, basic concepts like "leave me alone unless I'm bother you," sanctity of human life, etc., liberty, etc. are at the foundation of who we? are. I doesn't matter whether it was handed down by an actual deity or if it's humanism in its highest form. Either one works.
So, back to the issue: innocent human life cannot be taken for convenience, period. Has nothing to do with autonomy or privacy. We can't compromise on these things. Just like with slavery, we may need to fight this one out in the streets. I'm ready. Are you?
OBK would know what that is.
@MikeDamone was the clone.
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If you mean the brick and mortar 501c3s that bow the knee to the state and the dollar then I would tend to agree as they all have been corrupted.TurdBomber said:
Do not tie religion and government together, in any way, shape or form, or your lineage will live to regret it.Blueduck said:
For children morality starts with the parents. If you don't lead by example and teach them that there are consequences for their actions and then follow through then they will not learn.TurdBomber said:
Whose Morality? Should I stone my kids to death for pre-marital sex?Blueduck said:l
Fwiw...
I just want to point out that separation of church and state was originally meant to keep the state out of the church, not the church out of the state.
Our founding fathers invoked God several times in our Constitution because they believed that the church was supposed to be a moral compass for the state.
I would like to say that, for the majority of the history of this country we have had leaders who drew upon their religious beliefs but the Politicians and lawyers have argued and corrupted everything along the way to the point of expelling the church's morality stumbling block for compromise on issues to get something instead of nothing..
We were also warned by our forefathers not to elect a bunch of lawyers to run the country, and look at what we have.
We are where we are because the church and morality have been removed from all political discussion.
I would argue to bring morality back to the front, not keep it separate.
My $0.02
Stoning is a little harsh...but
Abortion is just consequences for the baby not the premarital sex.
America exists as a beacon of religious freedom - from Government.
You wrote: We are where we are because the church and morality have been removed from all political discussion.
You're half right: Morality, yes. Church or Religion, No. 100% Wrong.
The church, the body of Christ not beholden to denomination or to a taxable write off is the church/religion, to which I refer.
This country was founded on "Christian" doctrine originally.
It has been chipped away at for 240+ years and history has been twisted and changed to mean something all inclusive for all religions, which is fine, but it was about Christianity first and being able to get away from persecution for not following the monarchy's brand of "Religion".
America is now far from "freedom of religion "because you have to bow to government to get a non profit status and avoid paying taxes on donations. When you do that you are then subject to certain governmental laws and regulations and restrictions on what your church can and cannot say and do in public.
Our Government is much more involved in the churches business and their speech than many realize.
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I agree with this. Beware of wolves in sheep's clothingTurdBomber said:
I know lots of atheists who are moral AF. A bunch are ex-catholics in my family, including myself - at times.creepycoug said:
I know. The idea of a secular government completely divorced from any structured religion is a good idea, but in the end, we can't govern any society without some concept of the prescriptive. Any "ought" or "should" statement presupposes some morality, even at the most basic level. Otherwise, we are nihilists; and having hung out with that crowd for a portion of my life, trust me when I tell you that we? don't want to go there.TurdBomber said:
Agreed. But politics poison all morality. Better to keep them separate, as often as possible.creepycoug said:
Political reality doesn't change the moral equation. God knows our politics are anything but an exercise in true moral thinking.TurdBomber said:
At least 50% of women will never, ever go there. Maybe even 70%.creepycoug said:
True. But we pass laws all the time that take personal decisions into the public domain. So, "It was my personal decision to kill by mother-in-law" is fine, but we're prosecuting that person anyway because we decided we can't live with that personal decision.TurdBomber said:
Sacrifices are part of life. Getting 50% of your way is better than losing 100%.creepycoug said:
You are in contention for joining the right side. We have our eyes on you.TurdBomber said:
Whatever the time-frame, it'll always be a compromise and terminating a life.PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber is an expert on the female anatomy and skillfully tracking when his significant other’s period is scheduled. No nookie during the rainy season.thechatch said:I also see a lot of “GOOD LUCK IN 2024 LADIES!!!!” from HH and zero in the way of making an argument against the legislation.
I personally think 6 weeks is a tight frame, and I’m not factoring the subjective argument in terms of when life begins that the left likes to get itself embroiled in.
For me, it’s what’s a reasonable timeline for someone to learn that they’re pregnant and make a rational decision to keep or terminate the pregnancy. 6 weeks is enough for many people, but apparently not all, and I get that. I had a friend whose aunt was 10 weeks along before she knew she and her husband were expecting. It’s not the norm but it definitely happens.
Needs to be set at least at 8 to 9 weeks so a skipped period doesn’t trigger an immediate trip to the abortion clinic during the first pass.
Make it 16 to 20 weeks.
Some fat dumb women won't know until then, sad to say, and it's probably better for humanity that those folks don't propagate.
If a woman wants to off her fetus somewhere approaching viability that's between her and the man upstairs.
I don't have to agree with it to accept it as a fact of modern life.
Same thing here. The trick is helping people understand what it is they're doing, even if it's on day 1. Political expediency and consensus has (or should have) nothing to do with it. It should be axiomatic.
Otherwise you get Got Hates Fags on one side and God Loves Trannies on the other.
Enough to cause any rational person to avert their attention and not look again.
The presupposition of no morality without religion is pure bunk.
Atheists are not Nihilists. Many outrank Christians IMO. -
Communism is a religion. So is the green gaia religion along with the LGBTQ∞ true believers. Toss in antifa and blm fanatics. There are true atheists, but just because it isn't a classic religion doesn't make it any less a religion.TurdBomber said:
I know lots of atheists who are moral AF. A bunch are ex-catholics in my family, including myself - at times.creepycoug said:
I know. The idea of a secular government completely divorced from any structured religion is a good idea, but in the end, we can't govern any society without some concept of the prescriptive. Any "ought" or "should" statement presupposes some morality, even at the most basic level. Otherwise, we are nihilists; and having hung out with that crowd for a portion of my life, trust me when I tell you that we? don't want to go there.TurdBomber said:
Agreed. But politics poison all morality. Better to keep them separate, as often as possible.creepycoug said:
Political reality doesn't change the moral equation. God knows our politics are anything but an exercise in true moral thinking.TurdBomber said:
At least 50% of women will never, ever go there. Maybe even 70%.creepycoug said:
True. But we pass laws all the time that take personal decisions into the public domain. So, "It was my personal decision to kill by mother-in-law" is fine, but we're prosecuting that person anyway because we decided we can't live with that personal decision.TurdBomber said:
Sacrifices are part of life. Getting 50% of your way is better than losing 100%.creepycoug said:
You are in contention for joining the right side. We have our eyes on you.TurdBomber said:
Whatever the time-frame, it'll always be a compromise and terminating a life.PurpleThrobber said:
The Throbber is an expert on the female anatomy and skillfully tracking when his significant other’s period is scheduled. No nookie during the rainy season.thechatch said:I also see a lot of “GOOD LUCK IN 2024 LADIES!!!!” from HH and zero in the way of making an argument against the legislation.
I personally think 6 weeks is a tight frame, and I’m not factoring the subjective argument in terms of when life begins that the left likes to get itself embroiled in.
For me, it’s what’s a reasonable timeline for someone to learn that they’re pregnant and make a rational decision to keep or terminate the pregnancy. 6 weeks is enough for many people, but apparently not all, and I get that. I had a friend whose aunt was 10 weeks along before she knew she and her husband were expecting. It’s not the norm but it definitely happens.
Needs to be set at least at 8 to 9 weeks so a skipped period doesn’t trigger an immediate trip to the abortion clinic during the first pass.
Make it 16 to 20 weeks.
Some fat dumb women won't know until then, sad to say, and it's probably better for humanity that those folks don't propagate.
If a woman wants to off her fetus somewhere approaching viability that's between her and the man upstairs.
I don't have to agree with it to accept it as a fact of modern life.
Same thing here. The trick is helping people understand what it is they're doing, even if it's on day 1. Political expediency and consensus has (or should have) nothing to do with it. It should be axiomatic.
Otherwise you get Got Hates Fags on one side and God Loves Trannies on the other.
Enough to cause any rational person to avert their attention and not look again.
The presupposition of no morality without religion is pure bunk.
Atheists are not Nihilists. Many outrank Christians IMO. -
Judeo-Christian Doctrine.Blueduck said:
If you mean the brick and mortar 501c3s that bow the knee to the state and the dollar then I would tend to agree as they all have been corrupted.TurdBomber said:
Do not tie religion and government together, in any way, shape or form, or your lineage will live to regret it.Blueduck said:
For children morality starts with the parents. If you don't lead by example and teach them that there are consequences for their actions and then follow through then they will not learn.TurdBomber said:
Whose Morality? Should I stone my kids to death for pre-marital sex?Blueduck said:l
Fwiw...
I just want to point out that separation of church and state was originally meant to keep the state out of the church, not the church out of the state.
Our founding fathers invoked God several times in our Constitution because they believed that the church was supposed to be a moral compass for the state.
I would like to say that, for the majority of the history of this country we have had leaders who drew upon their religious beliefs but the Politicians and lawyers have argued and corrupted everything along the way to the point of expelling the church's morality stumbling block for compromise on issues to get something instead of nothing..
We were also warned by our forefathers not to elect a bunch of lawyers to run the country, and look at what we have.
We are where we are because the church and morality have been removed from all political discussion.
I would argue to bring morality back to the front, not keep it separate.
My $0.02
Stoning is a little harsh...but
Abortion is just consequences for the baby not the premarital sex.
America exists as a beacon of religious freedom - from Government.
You wrote: We are where we are because the church and morality have been removed from all political discussion.
You're half right: Morality, yes. Church or Religion, No. 100% Wrong.
The church, the body of Christ not beholden to denomination or to a taxable write off is the church/religion, to which I refer.
This country was founded on "Christian" doctrine originally.
It has been chipped away at for 240+ years and history has been twisted and changed to mean something all inclusive for all religions, which is fine, but it was about Christianity first and being able to get away from persecution for not following the monarchy's brand of "Religion".
America is now far from "freedom of religion "because you have to bow to government to get a non profit status and avoid paying taxes on donations. When you do that you are then subject to certain governmental laws and regulations and restrictions on what your church can and cannot say and do in public.
Our Government is much more involved in the churches business and their speech than many realize.
Why are you shafting the Jews? -
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Don't forget the essential contributions of the Muslims to our founding. Barry thought so although for some reason he didn't show his work to come that conclusion.TurdBomber said:
Judeo-Christian Doctrine.Blueduck said:
If you mean the brick and mortar 501c3s that bow the knee to the state and the dollar then I would tend to agree as they all have been corrupted.TurdBomber said:
Do not tie religion and government together, in any way, shape or form, or your lineage will live to regret it.Blueduck said:
For children morality starts with the parents. If you don't lead by example and teach them that there are consequences for their actions and then follow through then they will not learn.TurdBomber said:
Whose Morality? Should I stone my kids to death for pre-marital sex?Blueduck said:l
Fwiw...
I just want to point out that separation of church and state was originally meant to keep the state out of the church, not the church out of the state.
Our founding fathers invoked God several times in our Constitution because they believed that the church was supposed to be a moral compass for the state.
I would like to say that, for the majority of the history of this country we have had leaders who drew upon their religious beliefs but the Politicians and lawyers have argued and corrupted everything along the way to the point of expelling the church's morality stumbling block for compromise on issues to get something instead of nothing..
We were also warned by our forefathers not to elect a bunch of lawyers to run the country, and look at what we have.
We are where we are because the church and morality have been removed from all political discussion.
I would argue to bring morality back to the front, not keep it separate.
My $0.02
Stoning is a little harsh...but
Abortion is just consequences for the baby not the premarital sex.
America exists as a beacon of religious freedom - from Government.
You wrote: We are where we are because the church and morality have been removed from all political discussion.
You're half right: Morality, yes. Church or Religion, No. 100% Wrong.
The church, the body of Christ not beholden to denomination or to a taxable write off is the church/religion, to which I refer.
This country was founded on "Christian" doctrine originally.
It has been chipped away at for 240+ years and history has been twisted and changed to mean something all inclusive for all religions, which is fine, but it was about Christianity first and being able to get away from persecution for not following the monarchy's brand of "Religion".
America is now far from "freedom of religion "because you have to bow to government to get a non profit status and avoid paying taxes on donations. When you do that you are then subject to certain governmental laws and regulations and restrictions on what your church can and cannot say and do in public.
Our Government is much more involved in the churches business and their speech than many realize.
Why are you shafting the Jews?
"[S]ince our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States." -
The first Christians were JewsTurdBomber said:
Judeo-Christian Doctrine.Blueduck said:
If you mean the brick and mortar 501c3s that bow the knee to the state and the dollar then I would tend to agree as they all have been corrupted.TurdBomber said:
Do not tie religion and government together, in any way, shape or form, or your lineage will live to regret it.Blueduck said:
For children morality starts with the parents. If you don't lead by example and teach them that there are consequences for their actions and then follow through then they will not learn.TurdBomber said:
Whose Morality? Should I stone my kids to death for pre-marital sex?Blueduck said:l
Fwiw...
I just want to point out that separation of church and state was originally meant to keep the state out of the church, not the church out of the state.
Our founding fathers invoked God several times in our Constitution because they believed that the church was supposed to be a moral compass for the state.
I would like to say that, for the majority of the history of this country we have had leaders who drew upon their religious beliefs but the Politicians and lawyers have argued and corrupted everything along the way to the point of expelling the church's morality stumbling block for compromise on issues to get something instead of nothing..
We were also warned by our forefathers not to elect a bunch of lawyers to run the country, and look at what we have.
We are where we are because the church and morality have been removed from all political discussion.
I would argue to bring morality back to the front, not keep it separate.
My $0.02
Stoning is a little harsh...but
Abortion is just consequences for the baby not the premarital sex.
America exists as a beacon of religious freedom - from Government.
You wrote: We are where we are because the church and morality have been removed from all political discussion.
You're half right: Morality, yes. Church or Religion, No. 100% Wrong.
The church, the body of Christ not beholden to denomination or to a taxable write off is the church/religion, to which I refer.
This country was founded on "Christian" doctrine originally.
It has been chipped away at for 240+ years and history has been twisted and changed to mean something all inclusive for all religions, which is fine, but it was about Christianity first and being able to get away from persecution for not following the monarchy's brand of "Religion".
America is now far from "freedom of religion "because you have to bow to government to get a non profit status and avoid paying taxes on donations. When you do that you are then subject to certain governmental laws and regulations and restrictions on what your church can and cannot say and do in public.
Our Government is much more involved in the churches business and their speech than many realize.
Why are you shafting the Jews? -
@Blueduck STOP!Blueduck said:
The first Christians were JewsTurdBomber said:
Judeo-Christian Doctrine.Blueduck said:
If you mean the brick and mortar 501c3s that bow the knee to the state and the dollar then I would tend to agree as they all have been corrupted.TurdBomber said:
Do not tie religion and government together, in any way, shape or form, or your lineage will live to regret it.Blueduck said:
For children morality starts with the parents. If you don't lead by example and teach them that there are consequences for their actions and then follow through then they will not learn.TurdBomber said:
Whose Morality? Should I stone my kids to death for pre-marital sex?Blueduck said:l
Fwiw...
I just want to point out that separation of church and state was originally meant to keep the state out of the church, not the church out of the state.
Our founding fathers invoked God several times in our Constitution because they believed that the church was supposed to be a moral compass for the state.
I would like to say that, for the majority of the history of this country we have had leaders who drew upon their religious beliefs but the Politicians and lawyers have argued and corrupted everything along the way to the point of expelling the church's morality stumbling block for compromise on issues to get something instead of nothing..
We were also warned by our forefathers not to elect a bunch of lawyers to run the country, and look at what we have.
We are where we are because the church and morality have been removed from all political discussion.
I would argue to bring morality back to the front, not keep it separate.
My $0.02
Stoning is a little harsh...but
Abortion is just consequences for the baby not the premarital sex.
America exists as a beacon of religious freedom - from Government.
You wrote: We are where we are because the church and morality have been removed from all political discussion.
You're half right: Morality, yes. Church or Religion, No. 100% Wrong.
The church, the body of Christ not beholden to denomination or to a taxable write off is the church/religion, to which I refer.
This country was founded on "Christian" doctrine originally.
It has been chipped away at for 240+ years and history has been twisted and changed to mean something all inclusive for all religions, which is fine, but it was about Christianity first and being able to get away from persecution for not following the monarchy's brand of "Religion".
America is now far from "freedom of religion "because you have to bow to government to get a non profit status and avoid paying taxes on donations. When you do that you are then subject to certain governmental laws and regulations and restrictions on what your church can and cannot say and do in public.
Our Government is much more involved in the churches business and their speech than many realize.
Why are you shafting the Jews?
