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This would also explain why the rugby shirt is such a classic piece of Cal gear.YellowSnow said:
@UW_Doog_Bot you should have gone to CAL!! You could have gotten a sick Letter Man Jacket.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is similarly a weird dog(not a duck BONEM)YellowSnow said:
This is incorrect @UW_Doog_Bot . Let's clean a few things up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is Varsity but self funded as well. Last I checked they were playing with other status but hadn't changed. No full ride scholarships anyways.YellowSnow said:
But, here are my hang ups and we're I remain skeptical that UW would ever try to have Men's Hockey as a Varsity Sport...haie said:
I don't care which one. Not rowing.YellowSnow said:
Bruh!haie said:
Bro I went through this for 4 years at UW. My roommates were a spoiled rich kid from Dallas who was obsessed with the Stars and some other kids from BC who were Canucks fans. We yelled at each other constantly over this topic.YellowSnow said:
Not loaded question: how in the hell did ASU decide to have hockey as a varsity sport ?haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
In spite of plenty of NHL teams in the Pac 12 footprint there is no college hockey tradition out here.
If UW cuts some programs and starts Men's and Women's hockey teams, that's much better for the AD long term. Check out ASU's arena. UW could build that and sell that out every year.
But what mens varsity sport is UW gonna cut to add men’s ice hockey ? We run a pretty lean list of men’s varsity sports anyhow. We ain’t got swimming, wrastling, volleyball, etc, etc
But what has the other men's non revenue sports done. We're a few hours from BC we should build a program that can compete for the Frozen Four. It would attract money from both WA and BC.
First off, adding new Varsity Sports is expensive as fuck. Would these be scholarship student athletes? What woman's team is gonna get added then to balance that out for Title IX. One of the things that Men's Rowboat has in its favor, is that while it's a Varsity Sport at UW, me and @whlinder are rich AF so the scholarships for the guysm come out of a nearly $20 million private endowment; those 16 full rides don't count towards Title IX. The chick's numbers do as they are paid for by the Athletic Dept.
Again, when it comes to cutting a sport to add hockey, which men's team gets the Axe? There is a basic core level of non revenue men's sports teams that almost all Power 5's operate- i.e., track/xc, soccer, baseball, golf. It's hard to fathom getting rid of soccer or baseball to fun hockey. This would be madness.
Hockey to me seems like it will always be a "niche" Men's college sport like rowboat, lacrosse, water polo, wrastling, etc, where there has to be a strong pre-existing tradition and culture.
P.S. PM to @CanadianDAWG BC is vastly superior to WA for Juniors Rowing (especially on Vancouver Island). UW Crew has made hay off this for years and won Natties as a result.
No way UW builds a hockey arena with multiple already existing in the area despite how hard a boner the hockeyfans have. Costly in the extreme for essentially a one trick space that won't ever get filled to capacity while being hugely capital intensive and a non revenue generator.
Lol more likely women's hockey gets scholarships first to offset another men's sport first.
Rugy is not a "Varsity" sport at the University of Washington. It's a "club" sport. This is not meant as a knock against TUFF rugby players so don't twist.
The list of Varsity Sports is as follows:
Men's sports
Baseball
Basketball
Cross country
Football
Golf
Rowing
Soccer
Tennis
Track and field
Women's sports
Basketball
Beach volleyball
Cross country
Golf
Gymnastics
Rowing
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Huskies
https://gohuskies.com/
Men's Rowboat is kind of an odd duck, however. Men's Rowing is very much a part of the Athletic Department and the bulk of the budget is paid for by the Athletic Department like any other Varsity Sport. But back in the early 1900's Rowing told the NCAA to fuck off and the sport to this day is not governed by those Turds. Also the Men's schollies are privately endowed as noted above.
Women's Rowboat is a NCAA sport and the schollies come out of the general fund.
Founded in 1963, the University of Washington Husky Rugby Club plays college rugby in Division 1 in the Northwest Collegiate Rugby Conference against local rivals such as Washington State and Oregon. The Huskies won the Northwest championship in 1996, 2002, 2004 and 2005 and the D1AA Varsity Cup in 2014.
NOT NCAA either. It is a "club" in that every Rugby team is a "club" but was a varsity sport. It all goes back to the rugby vs. Football split.
The closest approximation is UW rowing but with a smaller endowment which admittedly UW's rowboat endowment is yuge. Rugby's isn't bad by the sports standard in the US.
Rugby is a Varsity Sport at Cal, the only one in the Pac 12.
https://calbears.com/sports/mens-rugby?path=mrugby
Fun fact: the only other D1 schools where Rugby is a Varsity Sport are Navy (shout out @Swaye ) and Army (shout out @CFetters_Nacho_Lover )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_rugby
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From your own articleYellowSnow said:
@UW_Doog_Bot you should have gone to CAL!! You could have gotten a sick Letter Man Jacket.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is similarly a weird dog(not a duck BONEM)YellowSnow said:
This is incorrect @UW_Doog_Bot . Let's clean a few things up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is Varsity but self funded as well. Last I checked they were playing with other status but hadn't changed. No full ride scholarships anyways.YellowSnow said:
But, here are my hang ups and we're I remain skeptical that UW would ever try to have Men's Hockey as a Varsity Sport...haie said:
I don't care which one. Not rowing.YellowSnow said:
Bruh!haie said:
Bro I went through this for 4 years at UW. My roommates were a spoiled rich kid from Dallas who was obsessed with the Stars and some other kids from BC who were Canucks fans. We yelled at each other constantly over this topic.YellowSnow said:
Not loaded question: how in the hell did ASU decide to have hockey as a varsity sport ?haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
In spite of plenty of NHL teams in the Pac 12 footprint there is no college hockey tradition out here.
If UW cuts some programs and starts Men's and Women's hockey teams, that's much better for the AD long term. Check out ASU's arena. UW could build that and sell that out every year.
But what mens varsity sport is UW gonna cut to add men’s ice hockey ? We run a pretty lean list of men’s varsity sports anyhow. We ain’t got swimming, wrastling, volleyball, etc, etc
But what has the other men's non revenue sports done. We're a few hours from BC we should build a program that can compete for the Frozen Four. It would attract money from both WA and BC.
First off, adding new Varsity Sports is expensive as fuck. Would these be scholarship student athletes? What woman's team is gonna get added then to balance that out for Title IX. One of the things that Men's Rowboat has in its favor, is that while it's a Varsity Sport at UW, me and @whlinder are rich AF so the scholarships for the guysm come out of a nearly $20 million private endowment; those 16 full rides don't count towards Title IX. The chick's numbers do as they are paid for by the Athletic Dept.
Again, when it comes to cutting a sport to add hockey, which men's team gets the Axe? There is a basic core level of non revenue men's sports teams that almost all Power 5's operate- i.e., track/xc, soccer, baseball, golf. It's hard to fathom getting rid of soccer or baseball to fun hockey. This would be madness.
Hockey to me seems like it will always be a "niche" Men's college sport like rowboat, lacrosse, water polo, wrastling, etc, where there has to be a strong pre-existing tradition and culture.
P.S. PM to @CanadianDAWG BC is vastly superior to WA for Juniors Rowing (especially on Vancouver Island). UW Crew has made hay off this for years and won Natties as a result.
No way UW builds a hockey arena with multiple already existing in the area despite how hard a boner the hockeyfans have. Costly in the extreme for essentially a one trick space that won't ever get filled to capacity while being hugely capital intensive and a non revenue generator.
Lol more likely women's hockey gets scholarships first to offset another men's sport first.
Rugy is not a "Varsity" sport at the University of Washington. It's a "club" sport. This is not meant as a knock against TUFF rugby players so don't twist.
The list of Varsity Sports is as follows:
Men's sports
Baseball
Basketball
Cross country
Football
Golf
Rowing
Soccer
Tennis
Track and field
Women's sports
Basketball
Beach volleyball
Cross country
Golf
Gymnastics
Rowing
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Huskies
https://gohuskies.com/
Men's Rowboat is kind of an odd duck, however. Men's Rowing is very much a part of the Athletic Department and the bulk of the budget is paid for by the Athletic Department like any other Varsity Sport. But back in the early 1900's Rowing told the NCAA to fuck off and the sport to this day is not governed by those Turds. Also the Men's schollies are privately endowed as noted above.
Women's Rowboat is a NCAA sport and the schollies come out of the general fund.
Founded in 1963, the University of Washington Husky Rugby Club plays college rugby in Division 1 in the Northwest Collegiate Rugby Conference against local rivals such as Washington State and Oregon. The Huskies won the Northwest championship in 1996, 2002, 2004 and 2005 and the D1AA Varsity Cup in 2014.
NOT NCAA either. It is a "club" in that every Rugby team is a "club" but was a varsity sport. It all goes back to the rugby vs. Football split.
The closest approximation is UW rowing but with a smaller endowment which admittedly UW's rowboat endowment is yuge. Rugby's isn't bad by the sports standard in the US.
Rugby is a Varsity Sport at Cal, the only one in the Pac 12.
https://calbears.com/sports/mens-rugby?path=mrugby
Fun fact: the only other D1 schools where Rugby is a Varsity Sport are Navy (shout out @Swaye ) and Army (shout out @CFetters_Nacho_Lover )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_rugby
"College rugby is often called a club sport because teams are usually administered by a student club sports department rather than the intercollegiate athletics department. Some schools have promoted rugby to varsity status, committing resources for scholarships and paid coaches, or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status."
A bunch that have quasi status...which is pretty much what I've been saying from the start. Rugby
at UW self funds and has an endowment. They also actually hire and pay real corches and have travel funds etc. All without paying to play(unlike hockey at the tim).
Sorry @YellowSnow but I ain't getting run so easily. This goes back to me actually having the exact conversation with a corch about the whole thing circa 2008 when I asked the very question "Are we a club or a varsity sport?" "It's complicated." "We are kind of like rowboat."
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Seattle has one of the few american CHL teams and obviously got the Kraken recently. More hockey fans now then ever I'd imagine.YellowSnow said:haie said:
I don't care which one. Not rowing.YellowSnow said:
Bruh!haie said:
Bro I went through this for 4 years at UW. My roommates were a spoiled rich kid from Dallas who was obsessed with the Stars and some other kids from BC who were Canucks fans. We yelled at each other constantly over this topic.YellowSnow said:
Not loaded question: how in the hell did ASU decide to have hockey as a varsity sport ?haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
In spite of plenty of NHL teams in the Pac 12 footprint there is no college hockey tradition out here.
If UW cuts some programs and starts Men's and Women's hockey teams, that's much better for the AD long term. Check out ASU's arena. UW could build that and sell that out every year.
But what mens varsity sport is UW gonna cut to add men’s ice hockey ? We run a pretty lean list of men’s varsity sports anyhow. We ain’t got swimming, wrastling, volleyball, etc, etc
But what has the other men's non revenue sports done. We're a few hours from BC we should build a program that can compete for the Frozen Four. It would attract money from both WA and BC.
Hockey to me seems like it will always be a "niche" Men's college sport like rowboat, lacrosse, water polo, wrastling, etc, where there has to be a strong pre-existing tradition and culture.
P.S. PM to @CanadianDAWG BC is vastly superior to WA for Juniors Rowing (especially on Vancouver Island). UW Crew has made hay off this for years and won Natties as a result.
Tough seeing another guy tagged and his account is older than mine as well. But that's interesting. I live 20 minutes from the old Rowing Canada training lake and 45 from the new one. Couple of white collar high schools around that I've heard of good rowing talent -
Lots of guys these days just aren't ready for the show at 19 or 20 so some of the best players are college guys (not necessarily playing more than a couple years)UW_Doog_Bot said:
Most of the people I knew that managed to get paid worked their way up through other leagues etc. (I only knew 1 guy that got direct drafted).Canadawg said:The CHL (WHL, QMJHL, OHL) is definitely the more traditional path to the NHL but many many elite players come through Junior A and bridge between the NHL by playing against their age group for a year or two more. Not to mention the obvious advantage of being able to fall back on the degree that comes with playing school for the ones that aren't a lock high round pick.
Very clear path to being a high profile hockey program. Would UW build a rink on campus?
College play was for those guys who were probably not going to really get paid and needed to hedge a college education out of the deal or foreign players that needed a visa workaround.
Not that some of those guys didn't "bloom late" or had a hard on for Michigan hockey or something but just my general experience.
College was for the guys that were tweeners with either high talent but unpolished late starter or low talent high skill guys types. That or injury ? guys or guys lacking enough size for the big leagues.
The guys without all those question marks that didn't come to play school either played minors or played out of country if they weren't *quite there for the NHL.
*shrug, this is my experience 20 years ago but I don't see anything that has made college hockey MOAR competitive. If anything it has probably gotten less so.
ATBS UW hockey looks like it has come a long way since I was there. I didn't play in college bc it seemed like amateur hour when I attended while also having a ton of ego and politics. A lot of dudes angry at life that they weren't born with enough athleticism to make it to a higher level. Rugby was way more fun as a club with people that just wanted to hit something and drink beer afterwards.
Franny? @YellowSnow knew I couldn't resist a hockey varsity sports haught thread.
https://collegehockeyinc.com/articles/2022/05/record-breaking-year-for-ncaa-alumni-in-nhl.php -
The corch was wrong though. It’s not really complicated. It’s rather cut and dry. If the sport is funded by the University AD and the corches are employed by the AD, it’s a Varsity Sport. If the team exists separate from the AD it’s a club.UW_Doog_Bot said:
From your own articleYellowSnow said:
@UW_Doog_Bot you should have gone to CAL!! You could have gotten a sick Letter Man Jacket.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is similarly a weird dog(not a duck BONEM)YellowSnow said:
This is incorrect @UW_Doog_Bot . Let's clean a few things up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is Varsity but self funded as well. Last I checked they were playing with other status but hadn't changed. No full ride scholarships anyways.YellowSnow said:
But, here are my hang ups and we're I remain skeptical that UW would ever try to have Men's Hockey as a Varsity Sport...haie said:
I don't care which one. Not rowing.YellowSnow said:
Bruh!haie said:
Bro I went through this for 4 years at UW. My roommates were a spoiled rich kid from Dallas who was obsessed with the Stars and some other kids from BC who were Canucks fans. We yelled at each other constantly over this topic.YellowSnow said:
Not loaded question: how in the hell did ASU decide to have hockey as a varsity sport ?haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
In spite of plenty of NHL teams in the Pac 12 footprint there is no college hockey tradition out here.
If UW cuts some programs and starts Men's and Women's hockey teams, that's much better for the AD long term. Check out ASU's arena. UW could build that and sell that out every year.
But what mens varsity sport is UW gonna cut to add men’s ice hockey ? We run a pretty lean list of men’s varsity sports anyhow. We ain’t got swimming, wrastling, volleyball, etc, etc
But what has the other men's non revenue sports done. We're a few hours from BC we should build a program that can compete for the Frozen Four. It would attract money from both WA and BC.
First off, adding new Varsity Sports is expensive as fuck. Would these be scholarship student athletes? What woman's team is gonna get added then to balance that out for Title IX. One of the things that Men's Rowboat has in its favor, is that while it's a Varsity Sport at UW, me and @whlinder are rich AF so the scholarships for the guysm come out of a nearly $20 million private endowment; those 16 full rides don't count towards Title IX. The chick's numbers do as they are paid for by the Athletic Dept.
Again, when it comes to cutting a sport to add hockey, which men's team gets the Axe? There is a basic core level of non revenue men's sports teams that almost all Power 5's operate- i.e., track/xc, soccer, baseball, golf. It's hard to fathom getting rid of soccer or baseball to fun hockey. This would be madness.
Hockey to me seems like it will always be a "niche" Men's college sport like rowboat, lacrosse, water polo, wrastling, etc, where there has to be a strong pre-existing tradition and culture.
P.S. PM to @CanadianDAWG BC is vastly superior to WA for Juniors Rowing (especially on Vancouver Island). UW Crew has made hay off this for years and won Natties as a result.
No way UW builds a hockey arena with multiple already existing in the area despite how hard a boner the hockeyfans have. Costly in the extreme for essentially a one trick space that won't ever get filled to capacity while being hugely capital intensive and a non revenue generator.
Lol more likely women's hockey gets scholarships first to offset another men's sport first.
Rugy is not a "Varsity" sport at the University of Washington. It's a "club" sport. This is not meant as a knock against TUFF rugby players so don't twist.
The list of Varsity Sports is as follows:
Men's sports
Baseball
Basketball
Cross country
Football
Golf
Rowing
Soccer
Tennis
Track and field
Women's sports
Basketball
Beach volleyball
Cross country
Golf
Gymnastics
Rowing
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Huskies
https://gohuskies.com/
Men's Rowboat is kind of an odd duck, however. Men's Rowing is very much a part of the Athletic Department and the bulk of the budget is paid for by the Athletic Department like any other Varsity Sport. But back in the early 1900's Rowing told the NCAA to fuck off and the sport to this day is not governed by those Turds. Also the Men's schollies are privately endowed as noted above.
Women's Rowboat is a NCAA sport and the schollies come out of the general fund.
Founded in 1963, the University of Washington Husky Rugby Club plays college rugby in Division 1 in the Northwest Collegiate Rugby Conference against local rivals such as Washington State and Oregon. The Huskies won the Northwest championship in 1996, 2002, 2004 and 2005 and the D1AA Varsity Cup in 2014.
NOT NCAA either. It is a "club" in that every Rugby team is a "club" but was a varsity sport. It all goes back to the rugby vs. Football split.
The closest approximation is UW rowing but with a smaller endowment which admittedly UW's rowboat endowment is yuge. Rugby's isn't bad by the sports standard in the US.
Rugby is a Varsity Sport at Cal, the only one in the Pac 12.
https://calbears.com/sports/mens-rugby?path=mrugby
Fun fact: the only other D1 schools where Rugby is a Varsity Sport are Navy (shout out @Swaye ) and Army (shout out @CFetters_Nacho_Lover )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_rugby
"College rugby is often called a club sport because teams are usually administered by a student club sports department rather than the intercollegiate athletics department. Some schools have promoted rugby to varsity status, committing resources for scholarships and paid coaches, or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status."
A bunch that have quasi status...which is pretty much what I've been saying from the start. Rugby
at UW self funds and has an endowment. They also actually hire and pay real corches and have travel funds etc. All without paying to play(unlike hockey at the tim).
Sorry @YellowSnow but I ain't getting run so easily. This goes back to me actually having the exact conversation with a corch about the whole thing circa 2008 when I asked the very question "Are we a club or a varsity sport?" "It's complicated." "We are kind of like rowboat."
The article clearly states which schools have Varsity D1 Rugby programs- Cal, Navy and Army. That’s it.
None of this to say there aren’t bad ass athletes playing college club rugby at Washington or other schools.
BTW I had no idea until today that Cal has rugby as a Varsity sport. Kinda cool I think. -
Numbers are up but still only 1/5 players played any college.Canadawg said:
Lots of guys these days just aren't ready for the show at 19 or 20 so some of the best players are college guys (not necessarily playing more than a couple years)UW_Doog_Bot said:
Most of the people I knew that managed to get paid worked their way up through other leagues etc. (I only knew 1 guy that got direct drafted).Canadawg said:The CHL (WHL, QMJHL, OHL) is definitely the more traditional path to the NHL but many many elite players come through Junior A and bridge between the NHL by playing against their age group for a year or two more. Not to mention the obvious advantage of being able to fall back on the degree that comes with playing school for the ones that aren't a lock high round pick.
Very clear path to being a high profile hockey program. Would UW build a rink on campus?
College play was for those guys who were probably not going to really get paid and needed to hedge a college education out of the deal or foreign players that needed a visa workaround.
Not that some of those guys didn't "bloom late" or had a hard on for Michigan hockey or something but just my general experience.
College was for the guys that were tweeners with either high talent but unpolished late starter or low talent high skill guys types. That or injury ? guys or guys lacking enough size for the big leagues.
The guys without all those question marks that didn't come to play school either played minors or played out of country if they weren't *quite there for the NHL.
*shrug, this is my experience 20 years ago but I don't see anything that has made college hockey MOAR competitive. If anything it has probably gotten less so.
ATBS UW hockey looks like it has come a long way since I was there. I didn't play in college bc it seemed like amateur hour when I attended while also having a ton of ego and politics. A lot of dudes angry at life that they weren't born with enough athleticism to make it to a higher level. Rugby was way more fun as a club with people that just wanted to hit something and drink beer afterwards.
Franny? @YellowSnow knew I couldn't resist a hockey varsity sports haught thread.
https://collegehockeyinc.com/articles/2022/05/record-breaking-year-for-ncaa-alumni-in-nhl.php
"The number of NCAA alumni in the NHL has grown 65% in the last 19 years, both in terms of total number (211 in 2002-03) and percentage of all NHL players (21.1% in 2002-03)."
I assume that's a typo and they mean 22 23. -
Except rugby does get AD support and use of facilities reserved for varsity sports like fields and the indoor practice facility etc. It's predominantly funded by the endowment being a major difference from most.YellowSnow said:
The corch was wrong though. It’s not really complicated. It’s rather cut and dry. If the sport is funded by the University AD and the corches are employed by the AD, it’s a Varsity Sport. If the team exists separate from the AD it’s a club.UW_Doog_Bot said:
From your own articleYellowSnow said:
@UW_Doog_Bot you should have gone to CAL!! You could have gotten a sick Letter Man Jacket.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is similarly a weird dog(not a duck BONEM)YellowSnow said:
This is incorrect @UW_Doog_Bot . Let's clean a few things up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is Varsity but self funded as well. Last I checked they were playing with other status but hadn't changed. No full ride scholarships anyways.YellowSnow said:
But, here are my hang ups and we're I remain skeptical that UW would ever try to have Men's Hockey as a Varsity Sport...haie said:
I don't care which one. Not rowing.YellowSnow said:
Bruh!haie said:
Bro I went through this for 4 years at UW. My roommates were a spoiled rich kid from Dallas who was obsessed with the Stars and some other kids from BC who were Canucks fans. We yelled at each other constantly over this topic.YellowSnow said:
Not loaded question: how in the hell did ASU decide to have hockey as a varsity sport ?haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
In spite of plenty of NHL teams in the Pac 12 footprint there is no college hockey tradition out here.
If UW cuts some programs and starts Men's and Women's hockey teams, that's much better for the AD long term. Check out ASU's arena. UW could build that and sell that out every year.
But what mens varsity sport is UW gonna cut to add men’s ice hockey ? We run a pretty lean list of men’s varsity sports anyhow. We ain’t got swimming, wrastling, volleyball, etc, etc
But what has the other men's non revenue sports done. We're a few hours from BC we should build a program that can compete for the Frozen Four. It would attract money from both WA and BC.
First off, adding new Varsity Sports is expensive as fuck. Would these be scholarship student athletes? What woman's team is gonna get added then to balance that out for Title IX. One of the things that Men's Rowboat has in its favor, is that while it's a Varsity Sport at UW, me and @whlinder are rich AF so the scholarships for the guysm come out of a nearly $20 million private endowment; those 16 full rides don't count towards Title IX. The chick's numbers do as they are paid for by the Athletic Dept.
Again, when it comes to cutting a sport to add hockey, which men's team gets the Axe? There is a basic core level of non revenue men's sports teams that almost all Power 5's operate- i.e., track/xc, soccer, baseball, golf. It's hard to fathom getting rid of soccer or baseball to fun hockey. This would be madness.
Hockey to me seems like it will always be a "niche" Men's college sport like rowboat, lacrosse, water polo, wrastling, etc, where there has to be a strong pre-existing tradition and culture.
P.S. PM to @CanadianDAWG BC is vastly superior to WA for Juniors Rowing (especially on Vancouver Island). UW Crew has made hay off this for years and won Natties as a result.
No way UW builds a hockey arena with multiple already existing in the area despite how hard a boner the hockeyfans have. Costly in the extreme for essentially a one trick space that won't ever get filled to capacity while being hugely capital intensive and a non revenue generator.
Lol more likely women's hockey gets scholarships first to offset another men's sport first.
Rugy is not a "Varsity" sport at the University of Washington. It's a "club" sport. This is not meant as a knock against TUFF rugby players so don't twist.
The list of Varsity Sports is as follows:
Men's sports
Baseball
Basketball
Cross country
Football
Golf
Rowing
Soccer
Tennis
Track and field
Women's sports
Basketball
Beach volleyball
Cross country
Golf
Gymnastics
Rowing
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Huskies
https://gohuskies.com/
Men's Rowboat is kind of an odd duck, however. Men's Rowing is very much a part of the Athletic Department and the bulk of the budget is paid for by the Athletic Department like any other Varsity Sport. But back in the early 1900's Rowing told the NCAA to fuck off and the sport to this day is not governed by those Turds. Also the Men's schollies are privately endowed as noted above.
Women's Rowboat is a NCAA sport and the schollies come out of the general fund.
Founded in 1963, the University of Washington Husky Rugby Club plays college rugby in Division 1 in the Northwest Collegiate Rugby Conference against local rivals such as Washington State and Oregon. The Huskies won the Northwest championship in 1996, 2002, 2004 and 2005 and the D1AA Varsity Cup in 2014.
NOT NCAA either. It is a "club" in that every Rugby team is a "club" but was a varsity sport. It all goes back to the rugby vs. Football split.
The closest approximation is UW rowing but with a smaller endowment which admittedly UW's rowboat endowment is yuge. Rugby's isn't bad by the sports standard in the US.
Rugby is a Varsity Sport at Cal, the only one in the Pac 12.
https://calbears.com/sports/mens-rugby?path=mrugby
Fun fact: the only other D1 schools where Rugby is a Varsity Sport are Navy (shout out @Swaye ) and Army (shout out @CFetters_Nacho_Lover )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_rugby
"College rugby is often called a club sport because teams are usually administered by a student club sports department rather than the intercollegiate athletics department. Some schools have promoted rugby to varsity status, committing resources for scholarships and paid coaches, or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status."
A bunch that have quasi status...which is pretty much what I've been saying from the start. Rugby
at UW self funds and has an endowment. They also actually hire and pay real corches and have travel funds etc. All without paying to play(unlike hockey at the tim).
Sorry @YellowSnow but I ain't getting run so easily. This goes back to me actually having the exact conversation with a corch about the whole thing circa 2008 when I asked the very question "Are we a club or a varsity sport?" "It's complicated." "We are kind of like rowboat."
The article clearly states which schools have Varsity D1 Rugby programs- Cal, Navy and Army. That’s it.
None of this to say there aren’t bad ass athletes playing college club rugby at Washington or other schools.
BTW I had no idea until today that Cal has rugby as a Varsity sport. Kinda cool I think.
Uw falls into this part of the convo. "or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status." Which is pretty much what I've been saying all along.
I would bet that Title IX has something to do with it...
We got treated better than LaCrosse(who had to pay their own way) or Kenpo(lulz) but worse than rowboat *shrug
Swim got the opposite treatment while I was there it went from Varsity to club status. We(!) Were treated better than those losers at the ima!
Ex. When I broke my ankle in rugby I got to go to the same medical facilities as the rest of the sports guysm.
When I dislocated my finger in rec football I had to be a schlub and go to student medical like the poors.
The difference in facilities and treatment was pretty night and day. The former was still probably the best I've ever been treated medically.
Oh right, and I used up my college eligibility, which doesn't exist for club sports. @UW_Doog_Bot will not be trotting out on the pitch for official USC rugby matches no matter how good he can still spin it out to the outside center.
You want to call rugby the tallest midget instead of the shortest guy in the room. Cool man. What's in a name?
TLDR rugby occupies a weird space.
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All this varsity haught talk has me remembering the varsity women's tennis chick I used to date who had massive jugs. Still to this day I have no idea how she managed those things while playing tennis but I sure did like serving on them.
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Pretty sure the corches were AD employees as well. I could message one and ask since
Ftr played Cal in the playoffs. Got murdered at Cal in a track meet. Dry hot conditions in March in the East Bay went over about as well as AZ in Sept. for football. We were built for bruising PNW mud bowl games. Absolutely beat the shit out of them down the middle but they ran circles outside of us all day like it was cross country.YellowSnow said:
This would also explain why the rugby shirt is such a classic piece of Cal gear.YellowSnow said:
@UW_Doog_Bot you should have gone to CAL!! You could have gotten a sick Letter Man Jacket.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is similarly a weird dog(not a duck BONEM)YellowSnow said:
This is incorrect @UW_Doog_Bot . Let's clean a few things up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is Varsity but self funded as well. Last I checked they were playing with other status but hadn't changed. No full ride scholarships anyways.YellowSnow said:
But, here are my hang ups and we're I remain skeptical that UW would ever try to have Men's Hockey as a Varsity Sport...haie said:
I don't care which one. Not rowing.YellowSnow said:
Bruh!haie said:
Bro I went through this for 4 years at UW. My roommates were a spoiled rich kid from Dallas who was obsessed with the Stars and some other kids from BC who were Canucks fans. We yelled at each other constantly over this topic.YellowSnow said:
Not loaded question: how in the hell did ASU decide to have hockey as a varsity sport ?haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
In spite of plenty of NHL teams in the Pac 12 footprint there is no college hockey tradition out here.
If UW cuts some programs and starts Men's and Women's hockey teams, that's much better for the AD long term. Check out ASU's arena. UW could build that and sell that out every year.
But what mens varsity sport is UW gonna cut to add men’s ice hockey ? We run a pretty lean list of men’s varsity sports anyhow. We ain’t got swimming, wrastling, volleyball, etc, etc
But what has the other men's non revenue sports done. We're a few hours from BC we should build a program that can compete for the Frozen Four. It would attract money from both WA and BC.
First off, adding new Varsity Sports is expensive as fuck. Would these be scholarship student athletes? What woman's team is gonna get added then to balance that out for Title IX. One of the things that Men's Rowboat has in its favor, is that while it's a Varsity Sport at UW, me and @whlinder are rich AF so the scholarships for the guysm come out of a nearly $20 million private endowment; those 16 full rides don't count towards Title IX. The chick's numbers do as they are paid for by the Athletic Dept.
Again, when it comes to cutting a sport to add hockey, which men's team gets the Axe? There is a basic core level of non revenue men's sports teams that almost all Power 5's operate- i.e., track/xc, soccer, baseball, golf. It's hard to fathom getting rid of soccer or baseball to fun hockey. This would be madness.
Hockey to me seems like it will always be a "niche" Men's college sport like rowboat, lacrosse, water polo, wrastling, etc, where there has to be a strong pre-existing tradition and culture.
P.S. PM to @CanadianDAWG BC is vastly superior to WA for Juniors Rowing (especially on Vancouver Island). UW Crew has made hay off this for years and won Natties as a result.
No way UW builds a hockey arena with multiple already existing in the area despite how hard a boner the hockeyfans have. Costly in the extreme for essentially a one trick space that won't ever get filled to capacity while being hugely capital intensive and a non revenue generator.
Lol more likely women's hockey gets scholarships first to offset another men's sport first.
Rugy is not a "Varsity" sport at the University of Washington. It's a "club" sport. This is not meant as a knock against TUFF rugby players so don't twist.
The list of Varsity Sports is as follows:
Men's sports
Baseball
Basketball
Cross country
Football
Golf
Rowing
Soccer
Tennis
Track and field
Women's sports
Basketball
Beach volleyball
Cross country
Golf
Gymnastics
Rowing
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Huskies
https://gohuskies.com/
Men's Rowboat is kind of an odd duck, however. Men's Rowing is very much a part of the Athletic Department and the bulk of the budget is paid for by the Athletic Department like any other Varsity Sport. But back in the early 1900's Rowing told the NCAA to fuck off and the sport to this day is not governed by those Turds. Also the Men's schollies are privately endowed as noted above.
Women's Rowboat is a NCAA sport and the schollies come out of the general fund.
Founded in 1963, the University of Washington Husky Rugby Club plays college rugby in Division 1 in the Northwest Collegiate Rugby Conference against local rivals such as Washington State and Oregon. The Huskies won the Northwest championship in 1996, 2002, 2004 and 2005 and the D1AA Varsity Cup in 2014.
NOT NCAA either. It is a "club" in that every Rugby team is a "club" but was a varsity sport. It all goes back to the rugby vs. Football split.
The closest approximation is UW rowing but with a smaller endowment which admittedly UW's rowboat endowment is yuge. Rugby's isn't bad by the sports standard in the US.
Rugby is a Varsity Sport at Cal, the only one in the Pac 12.
https://calbears.com/sports/mens-rugby?path=mrugby
Fun fact: the only other D1 schools where Rugby is a Varsity Sport are Navy (shout out @Swaye ) and Army (shout out @CFetters_Nacho_Lover )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_rugby
Still, we knocked like 4 of their starters out of the line up and they ended up losing to St. Mary's the next round bc of that. Good chit.
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My biggest ever Varsity jugs were of the @creepycoug variety. So I've got that going for me.UW_Doog_Bot said:All this varsity haught talk has me remembering the varsity women's tennis chick I used to date who had massive jugs. Still to this day I have no idea how she managed those things while playing tennis but I sure did like serving on them.
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Hopefully, as your valued e-fren you can forgive my periodic bullying of you on the topic.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except rugby does get AD support and use of facilities reserved for varsity sports like fields and the indoor practice facility etc. It's predominantly funded by the endowment being a major difference from most.YellowSnow said:
The corch was wrong though. It’s not really complicated. It’s rather cut and dry. If the sport is funded by the University AD and the corches are employed by the AD, it’s a Varsity Sport. If the team exists separate from the AD it’s a club.UW_Doog_Bot said:
From your own articleYellowSnow said:
@UW_Doog_Bot you should have gone to CAL!! You could have gotten a sick Letter Man Jacket.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is similarly a weird dog(not a duck BONEM)YellowSnow said:
This is incorrect @UW_Doog_Bot . Let's clean a few things up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is Varsity but self funded as well. Last I checked they were playing with other status but hadn't changed. No full ride scholarships anyways.YellowSnow said:
But, here are my hang ups and we're I remain skeptical that UW would ever try to have Men's Hockey as a Varsity Sport...haie said:
I don't care which one. Not rowing.YellowSnow said:
Bruh!haie said:
Bro I went through this for 4 years at UW. My roommates were a spoiled rich kid from Dallas who was obsessed with the Stars and some other kids from BC who were Canucks fans. We yelled at each other constantly over this topic.YellowSnow said:
Not loaded question: how in the hell did ASU decide to have hockey as a varsity sport ?haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
In spite of plenty of NHL teams in the Pac 12 footprint there is no college hockey tradition out here.
If UW cuts some programs and starts Men's and Women's hockey teams, that's much better for the AD long term. Check out ASU's arena. UW could build that and sell that out every year.
But what mens varsity sport is UW gonna cut to add men’s ice hockey ? We run a pretty lean list of men’s varsity sports anyhow. We ain’t got swimming, wrastling, volleyball, etc, etc
But what has the other men's non revenue sports done. We're a few hours from BC we should build a program that can compete for the Frozen Four. It would attract money from both WA and BC.
First off, adding new Varsity Sports is expensive as fuck. Would these be scholarship student athletes? What woman's team is gonna get added then to balance that out for Title IX. One of the things that Men's Rowboat has in its favor, is that while it's a Varsity Sport at UW, me and @whlinder are rich AF so the scholarships for the guysm come out of a nearly $20 million private endowment; those 16 full rides don't count towards Title IX. The chick's numbers do as they are paid for by the Athletic Dept.
Again, when it comes to cutting a sport to add hockey, which men's team gets the Axe? There is a basic core level of non revenue men's sports teams that almost all Power 5's operate- i.e., track/xc, soccer, baseball, golf. It's hard to fathom getting rid of soccer or baseball to fun hockey. This would be madness.
Hockey to me seems like it will always be a "niche" Men's college sport like rowboat, lacrosse, water polo, wrastling, etc, where there has to be a strong pre-existing tradition and culture.
P.S. PM to @CanadianDAWG BC is vastly superior to WA for Juniors Rowing (especially on Vancouver Island). UW Crew has made hay off this for years and won Natties as a result.
No way UW builds a hockey arena with multiple already existing in the area despite how hard a boner the hockeyfans have. Costly in the extreme for essentially a one trick space that won't ever get filled to capacity while being hugely capital intensive and a non revenue generator.
Lol more likely women's hockey gets scholarships first to offset another men's sport first.
Rugy is not a "Varsity" sport at the University of Washington. It's a "club" sport. This is not meant as a knock against TUFF rugby players so don't twist.
The list of Varsity Sports is as follows:
Men's sports
Baseball
Basketball
Cross country
Football
Golf
Rowing
Soccer
Tennis
Track and field
Women's sports
Basketball
Beach volleyball
Cross country
Golf
Gymnastics
Rowing
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Huskies
https://gohuskies.com/
Men's Rowboat is kind of an odd duck, however. Men's Rowing is very much a part of the Athletic Department and the bulk of the budget is paid for by the Athletic Department like any other Varsity Sport. But back in the early 1900's Rowing told the NCAA to fuck off and the sport to this day is not governed by those Turds. Also the Men's schollies are privately endowed as noted above.
Women's Rowboat is a NCAA sport and the schollies come out of the general fund.
Founded in 1963, the University of Washington Husky Rugby Club plays college rugby in Division 1 in the Northwest Collegiate Rugby Conference against local rivals such as Washington State and Oregon. The Huskies won the Northwest championship in 1996, 2002, 2004 and 2005 and the D1AA Varsity Cup in 2014.
NOT NCAA either. It is a "club" in that every Rugby team is a "club" but was a varsity sport. It all goes back to the rugby vs. Football split.
The closest approximation is UW rowing but with a smaller endowment which admittedly UW's rowboat endowment is yuge. Rugby's isn't bad by the sports standard in the US.
Rugby is a Varsity Sport at Cal, the only one in the Pac 12.
https://calbears.com/sports/mens-rugby?path=mrugby
Fun fact: the only other D1 schools where Rugby is a Varsity Sport are Navy (shout out @Swaye ) and Army (shout out @CFetters_Nacho_Lover )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_rugby
"College rugby is often called a club sport because teams are usually administered by a student club sports department rather than the intercollegiate athletics department. Some schools have promoted rugby to varsity status, committing resources for scholarships and paid coaches, or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status."
A bunch that have quasi status...which is pretty much what I've been saying from the start. Rugby
at UW self funds and has an endowment. They also actually hire and pay real corches and have travel funds etc. All without paying to play(unlike hockey at the tim).
Sorry @YellowSnow but I ain't getting run so easily. This goes back to me actually having the exact conversation with a corch about the whole thing circa 2008 when I asked the very question "Are we a club or a varsity sport?" "It's complicated." "We are kind of like rowboat."
The article clearly states which schools have Varsity D1 Rugby programs- Cal, Navy and Army. That’s it.
None of this to say there aren’t bad ass athletes playing college club rugby at Washington or other schools.
BTW I had no idea until today that Cal has rugby as a Varsity sport. Kinda cool I think.
Uw falls into this part of the convo. "or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status." Which is pretty much what I've been saying all along.
I would bet that Title IX has something to do with it...
We got treated better than LaCrosse(who had to pay their own way) or Kenpo(lulz) but worse than rowboat *shrug
Swim got the opposite treatment while I was there it went from Varsity to club status. We(!) Were treated better than those losers at the ima!
Ex. When I broke my ankle in rugby I got to go to the same medical facilities as the rest of the sports guysm.
When I dislocated my finger in rec football I had to be a schlub and go to student medical like the poors.
The difference in facilities and treatment was pretty night and day. The former was still probably the best I've ever been treated medically.
Oh right, and I used up my college eligibility, which doesn't exist for club sports. @UW_Doog_Bot will not be trotting out on the pitch for official USC rugby matches no matter how good he can still spin it out to the outside center.
You want to call rugby the tallest midget instead of the shortest guy in the room. Cool man. What's in a name?
TLDR rugby occupies a weird space.
I just have to be a stickler for the details to protect the brand. I can't be having the lacrosse or cycling team bros out there claiming UW Varsity sport status and making themselves letterman jackets. -
Take it to the tennisUW_Doog_Bot said:All this varsity haught talk has me remembering the varsity women's tennis chick I used to date who had massive jugs. Still to this day I have no idea how she managed those things while playing tennis but I sure did like serving on them.
boardthread!
We have one now axtually -
TIL about varsity(?) hockey, rugby, and rowing.
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Huh?biak1 said:TIL about varsity(?) hockey, rugby, and rowing.
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I'm not so easily bullied. It would take @dnc levels to hurt my feelings.YellowSnow said:
Hopefully, as your valued e-fren you can forgive my periodic bullying of you on the topic.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except rugby does get AD support and use of facilities reserved for varsity sports like fields and the indoor practice facility etc. It's predominantly funded by the endowment being a major difference from most.YellowSnow said:
The corch was wrong though. It’s not really complicated. It’s rather cut and dry. If the sport is funded by the University AD and the corches are employed by the AD, it’s a Varsity Sport. If the team exists separate from the AD it’s a club.UW_Doog_Bot said:
From your own articleYellowSnow said:
@UW_Doog_Bot you should have gone to CAL!! You could have gotten a sick Letter Man Jacket.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is similarly a weird dog(not a duck BONEM)YellowSnow said:
This is incorrect @UW_Doog_Bot . Let's clean a few things up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is Varsity but self funded as well. Last I checked they were playing with other status but hadn't changed. No full ride scholarships anyways.YellowSnow said:
But, here are my hang ups and we're I remain skeptical that UW would ever try to have Men's Hockey as a Varsity Sport...haie said:
I don't care which one. Not rowing.YellowSnow said:
Bruh!haie said:
Bro I went through this for 4 years at UW. My roommates were a spoiled rich kid from Dallas who was obsessed with the Stars and some other kids from BC who were Canucks fans. We yelled at each other constantly over this topic.YellowSnow said:
Not loaded question: how in the hell did ASU decide to have hockey as a varsity sport ?haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
In spite of plenty of NHL teams in the Pac 12 footprint there is no college hockey tradition out here.
If UW cuts some programs and starts Men's and Women's hockey teams, that's much better for the AD long term. Check out ASU's arena. UW could build that and sell that out every year.
But what mens varsity sport is UW gonna cut to add men’s ice hockey ? We run a pretty lean list of men’s varsity sports anyhow. We ain’t got swimming, wrastling, volleyball, etc, etc
But what has the other men's non revenue sports done. We're a few hours from BC we should build a program that can compete for the Frozen Four. It would attract money from both WA and BC.
First off, adding new Varsity Sports is expensive as fuck. Would these be scholarship student athletes? What woman's team is gonna get added then to balance that out for Title IX. One of the things that Men's Rowboat has in its favor, is that while it's a Varsity Sport at UW, me and @whlinder are rich AF so the scholarships for the guysm come out of a nearly $20 million private endowment; those 16 full rides don't count towards Title IX. The chick's numbers do as they are paid for by the Athletic Dept.
Again, when it comes to cutting a sport to add hockey, which men's team gets the Axe? There is a basic core level of non revenue men's sports teams that almost all Power 5's operate- i.e., track/xc, soccer, baseball, golf. It's hard to fathom getting rid of soccer or baseball to fun hockey. This would be madness.
Hockey to me seems like it will always be a "niche" Men's college sport like rowboat, lacrosse, water polo, wrastling, etc, where there has to be a strong pre-existing tradition and culture.
P.S. PM to @CanadianDAWG BC is vastly superior to WA for Juniors Rowing (especially on Vancouver Island). UW Crew has made hay off this for years and won Natties as a result.
No way UW builds a hockey arena with multiple already existing in the area despite how hard a boner the hockeyfans have. Costly in the extreme for essentially a one trick space that won't ever get filled to capacity while being hugely capital intensive and a non revenue generator.
Lol more likely women's hockey gets scholarships first to offset another men's sport first.
Rugy is not a "Varsity" sport at the University of Washington. It's a "club" sport. This is not meant as a knock against TUFF rugby players so don't twist.
The list of Varsity Sports is as follows:
Men's sports
Baseball
Basketball
Cross country
Football
Golf
Rowing
Soccer
Tennis
Track and field
Women's sports
Basketball
Beach volleyball
Cross country
Golf
Gymnastics
Rowing
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Huskies
https://gohuskies.com/
Men's Rowboat is kind of an odd duck, however. Men's Rowing is very much a part of the Athletic Department and the bulk of the budget is paid for by the Athletic Department like any other Varsity Sport. But back in the early 1900's Rowing told the NCAA to fuck off and the sport to this day is not governed by those Turds. Also the Men's schollies are privately endowed as noted above.
Women's Rowboat is a NCAA sport and the schollies come out of the general fund.
Founded in 1963, the University of Washington Husky Rugby Club plays college rugby in Division 1 in the Northwest Collegiate Rugby Conference against local rivals such as Washington State and Oregon. The Huskies won the Northwest championship in 1996, 2002, 2004 and 2005 and the D1AA Varsity Cup in 2014.
NOT NCAA either. It is a "club" in that every Rugby team is a "club" but was a varsity sport. It all goes back to the rugby vs. Football split.
The closest approximation is UW rowing but with a smaller endowment which admittedly UW's rowboat endowment is yuge. Rugby's isn't bad by the sports standard in the US.
Rugby is a Varsity Sport at Cal, the only one in the Pac 12.
https://calbears.com/sports/mens-rugby?path=mrugby
Fun fact: the only other D1 schools where Rugby is a Varsity Sport are Navy (shout out @Swaye ) and Army (shout out @CFetters_Nacho_Lover )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_rugby
"College rugby is often called a club sport because teams are usually administered by a student club sports department rather than the intercollegiate athletics department. Some schools have promoted rugby to varsity status, committing resources for scholarships and paid coaches, or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status."
A bunch that have quasi status...which is pretty much what I've been saying from the start. Rugby
at UW self funds and has an endowment. They also actually hire and pay real corches and have travel funds etc. All without paying to play(unlike hockey at the tim).
Sorry @YellowSnow but I ain't getting run so easily. This goes back to me actually having the exact conversation with a corch about the whole thing circa 2008 when I asked the very question "Are we a club or a varsity sport?" "It's complicated." "We are kind of like rowboat."
The article clearly states which schools have Varsity D1 Rugby programs- Cal, Navy and Army. That’s it.
None of this to say there aren’t bad ass athletes playing college club rugby at Washington or other schools.
BTW I had no idea until today that Cal has rugby as a Varsity sport. Kinda cool I think.
Uw falls into this part of the convo. "or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status." Which is pretty much what I've been saying all along.
I would bet that Title IX has something to do with it...
We got treated better than LaCrosse(who had to pay their own way) or Kenpo(lulz) but worse than rowboat *shrug
Swim got the opposite treatment while I was there it went from Varsity to club status. We(!) Were treated better than those losers at the ima!
Ex. When I broke my ankle in rugby I got to go to the same medical facilities as the rest of the sports guysm.
When I dislocated my finger in rec football I had to be a schlub and go to student medical like the poors.
The difference in facilities and treatment was pretty night and day. The former was still probably the best I've ever been treated medically.
Oh right, and I used up my college eligibility, which doesn't exist for club sports. @UW_Doog_Bot will not be trotting out on the pitch for official USC rugby matches no matter how good he can still spin it out to the outside center.
You want to call rugby the tallest midget instead of the shortest guy in the room. Cool man. What's in a name?
TLDR rugby occupies a weird space.
I just have to be a stickler for the details to protect the brand. I can't be having the lacrosse or cycling team bros out there claiming UW Varsity sport status and making themselves letterman jackets.
Also, just fucking with you to some degree. My corch never mentioned rowboat but I figured it would set you off. He did say rugby was it's own weird category.
Rugby isn't rowboat or baseball but it also isn't ultimate Frisbee club. We(!) Have our own field and not the shared IMA shit like LaCrosse. We(!) Have dedicated medical trainers, make use of the football practice facilities, get the indoor facilities, have travel budgets, etc. Again, the difference being that a large reason it is "revenue neutral" and probably skates Title IX is the self funding and sharing with the women's club. I'm not privy to that level of AD politics, accounting, finnagling, and decision making though just my speculation.
Women's rugby doesn't get the same favored treatment but it does get to piggyback off of men’s rugby facilities and funding. The girls DID have dues and ran as a club sport. They had to raise money for tournaments and travel etc.
Then there's all the ncaa vs. Usa rugby vs. Regional club bullshit but I'll spare you that haught talk.
TLDR I'm pretty sure Rugby is at that point of how a sport evolves into a varsity sport. Cal further along than most. Revenue and Women's status probably two of the main obstacles. -
You know you’re a shit-tier sport when your website contact has a gmail address and a 509 are code.
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Which gets us back to one of my original questions here: Does UW have the budget and desire to convert a club team such as Hockey or Rugby into a Varsity program?UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm not so easily bullied. It would take @dnc levels to hurt my feelings.YellowSnow said:
Hopefully, as your valued e-fren you can forgive my periodic bullying of you on the topic.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except rugby does get AD support and use of facilities reserved for varsity sports like fields and the indoor practice facility etc. It's predominantly funded by the endowment being a major difference from most.YellowSnow said:
The corch was wrong though. It’s not really complicated. It’s rather cut and dry. If the sport is funded by the University AD and the corches are employed by the AD, it’s a Varsity Sport. If the team exists separate from the AD it’s a club.UW_Doog_Bot said:
From your own articleYellowSnow said:
@UW_Doog_Bot you should have gone to CAL!! You could have gotten a sick Letter Man Jacket.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is similarly a weird dog(not a duck BONEM)YellowSnow said:
This is incorrect @UW_Doog_Bot . Let's clean a few things up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is Varsity but self funded as well. Last I checked they were playing with other status but hadn't changed. No full ride scholarships anyways.YellowSnow said:
But, here are my hang ups and we're I remain skeptical that UW would ever try to have Men's Hockey as a Varsity Sport...haie said:
I don't care which one. Not rowing.YellowSnow said:
Bruh!haie said:
Bro I went through this for 4 years at UW. My roommates were a spoiled rich kid from Dallas who was obsessed with the Stars and some other kids from BC who were Canucks fans. We yelled at each other constantly over this topic.YellowSnow said:
Not loaded question: how in the hell did ASU decide to have hockey as a varsity sport ?haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
In spite of plenty of NHL teams in the Pac 12 footprint there is no college hockey tradition out here.
If UW cuts some programs and starts Men's and Women's hockey teams, that's much better for the AD long term. Check out ASU's arena. UW could build that and sell that out every year.
But what mens varsity sport is UW gonna cut to add men’s ice hockey ? We run a pretty lean list of men’s varsity sports anyhow. We ain’t got swimming, wrastling, volleyball, etc, etc
But what has the other men's non revenue sports done. We're a few hours from BC we should build a program that can compete for the Frozen Four. It would attract money from both WA and BC.
First off, adding new Varsity Sports is expensive as fuck. Would these be scholarship student athletes? What woman's team is gonna get added then to balance that out for Title IX. One of the things that Men's Rowboat has in its favor, is that while it's a Varsity Sport at UW, me and @whlinder are rich AF so the scholarships for the guysm come out of a nearly $20 million private endowment; those 16 full rides don't count towards Title IX. The chick's numbers do as they are paid for by the Athletic Dept.
Again, when it comes to cutting a sport to add hockey, which men's team gets the Axe? There is a basic core level of non revenue men's sports teams that almost all Power 5's operate- i.e., track/xc, soccer, baseball, golf. It's hard to fathom getting rid of soccer or baseball to fun hockey. This would be madness.
Hockey to me seems like it will always be a "niche" Men's college sport like rowboat, lacrosse, water polo, wrastling, etc, where there has to be a strong pre-existing tradition and culture.
P.S. PM to @CanadianDAWG BC is vastly superior to WA for Juniors Rowing (especially on Vancouver Island). UW Crew has made hay off this for years and won Natties as a result.
No way UW builds a hockey arena with multiple already existing in the area despite how hard a boner the hockeyfans have. Costly in the extreme for essentially a one trick space that won't ever get filled to capacity while being hugely capital intensive and a non revenue generator.
Lol more likely women's hockey gets scholarships first to offset another men's sport first.
Rugy is not a "Varsity" sport at the University of Washington. It's a "club" sport. This is not meant as a knock against TUFF rugby players so don't twist.
The list of Varsity Sports is as follows:
Men's sports
Baseball
Basketball
Cross country
Football
Golf
Rowing
Soccer
Tennis
Track and field
Women's sports
Basketball
Beach volleyball
Cross country
Golf
Gymnastics
Rowing
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Huskies
https://gohuskies.com/
Men's Rowboat is kind of an odd duck, however. Men's Rowing is very much a part of the Athletic Department and the bulk of the budget is paid for by the Athletic Department like any other Varsity Sport. But back in the early 1900's Rowing told the NCAA to fuck off and the sport to this day is not governed by those Turds. Also the Men's schollies are privately endowed as noted above.
Women's Rowboat is a NCAA sport and the schollies come out of the general fund.
Founded in 1963, the University of Washington Husky Rugby Club plays college rugby in Division 1 in the Northwest Collegiate Rugby Conference against local rivals such as Washington State and Oregon. The Huskies won the Northwest championship in 1996, 2002, 2004 and 2005 and the D1AA Varsity Cup in 2014.
NOT NCAA either. It is a "club" in that every Rugby team is a "club" but was a varsity sport. It all goes back to the rugby vs. Football split.
The closest approximation is UW rowing but with a smaller endowment which admittedly UW's rowboat endowment is yuge. Rugby's isn't bad by the sports standard in the US.
Rugby is a Varsity Sport at Cal, the only one in the Pac 12.
https://calbears.com/sports/mens-rugby?path=mrugby
Fun fact: the only other D1 schools where Rugby is a Varsity Sport are Navy (shout out @Swaye ) and Army (shout out @CFetters_Nacho_Lover )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_rugby
"College rugby is often called a club sport because teams are usually administered by a student club sports department rather than the intercollegiate athletics department. Some schools have promoted rugby to varsity status, committing resources for scholarships and paid coaches, or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status."
A bunch that have quasi status...which is pretty much what I've been saying from the start. Rugby
at UW self funds and has an endowment. They also actually hire and pay real corches and have travel funds etc. All without paying to play(unlike hockey at the tim).
Sorry @YellowSnow but I ain't getting run so easily. This goes back to me actually having the exact conversation with a corch about the whole thing circa 2008 when I asked the very question "Are we a club or a varsity sport?" "It's complicated." "We are kind of like rowboat."
The article clearly states which schools have Varsity D1 Rugby programs- Cal, Navy and Army. That’s it.
None of this to say there aren’t bad ass athletes playing college club rugby at Washington or other schools.
BTW I had no idea until today that Cal has rugby as a Varsity sport. Kinda cool I think.
Uw falls into this part of the convo. "or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status." Which is pretty much what I've been saying all along.
I would bet that Title IX has something to do with it...
We got treated better than LaCrosse(who had to pay their own way) or Kenpo(lulz) but worse than rowboat *shrug
Swim got the opposite treatment while I was there it went from Varsity to club status. We(!) Were treated better than those losers at the ima!
Ex. When I broke my ankle in rugby I got to go to the same medical facilities as the rest of the sports guysm.
When I dislocated my finger in rec football I had to be a schlub and go to student medical like the poors.
The difference in facilities and treatment was pretty night and day. The former was still probably the best I've ever been treated medically.
Oh right, and I used up my college eligibility, which doesn't exist for club sports. @UW_Doog_Bot will not be trotting out on the pitch for official USC rugby matches no matter how good he can still spin it out to the outside center.
You want to call rugby the tallest midget instead of the shortest guy in the room. Cool man. What's in a name?
TLDR rugby occupies a weird space.
I just have to be a stickler for the details to protect the brand. I can't be having the lacrosse or cycling team bros out there claiming UW Varsity sport status and making themselves letterman jackets.
Also, just fucking with you to some degree. My corch never mentioned rowboat but I figured it would set you off. He did say rugby was it's own weird category.
Rugby isn't rowboat or baseball but it also isn't ultimate Frisbee club. We(!) Have our own field and not the shared IMA shit like LaCrosse. We(!) Have dedicated medical trainers, make use of the football practice facilities, get the indoor facilities, have travel budgets, etc. Again, the difference being that a large reason it is "revenue neutral" and probably skates Title IX is the self funding and sharing with the women's club. I'm not privy to that level of AD politics, accounting, finnagling, and decision making though just my speculation.
Women's rugby doesn't get the same favored treatment but it does get to piggyback off of men’s rugby facilities and funding. The girls DID have dues and ran as a club sport. They had to raise money for tournaments and travel etc.
Then there's all the ncaa vs. Usa rugby vs. Regional club bullshit but I'll spare you that haught talk.
TLDR I'm pretty sure Rugby is at that point of how a sport evolves into a varsity sport. Cal further along than most. Revenue and Women's status probably two of the main obstacles.
Color me skeptical. I think Football is going to gobble up its share and the other non revenue sports aren't going to want to compete for resources. Also, I think UW seems like the type of place that doesn't want to take on a non NCAA Varsity sport. Men's Rowboat is a special outlier here because of the 120 year history at UW and 20 Natties. -
FO, GBennyBeaver said:You know you’re a shit-tier sport when your website contact has a gmail address and a 509 are code.
How dare you bash the 509?
@Doog_de_Jour
@UWKatie -
I was trying to be tactful in handling this topic and the Boov just comes in a drops a big dump.BennyBeaver said:You know you’re a shit-tier sport when your website contact has a gmail address and a 509 are code.
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All sports aside from football are shit tier by definition.BennyBeaver said:You know you’re a shit-tier sport when your website contact has a gmail address and a 509 are code.
Plenty of shit tier there as well like the little sisters of the poor WSU and OSU that can't sustain themselves. -
Without getting too tuggy much of it depends on Title IX , the future of (women's) college sports and revenue in general.YellowSnow said:
Which gets us back to one of my original questions here: Does UW have the budget and desire to convert a club team such as Hockey or Rugby into a Varsity program?UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm not so easily bullied. It would take @dnc levels to hurt my feelings.YellowSnow said:
Hopefully, as your valued e-fren you can forgive my periodic bullying of you on the topic.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except rugby does get AD support and use of facilities reserved for varsity sports like fields and the indoor practice facility etc. It's predominantly funded by the endowment being a major difference from most.YellowSnow said:
The corch was wrong though. It’s not really complicated. It’s rather cut and dry. If the sport is funded by the University AD and the corches are employed by the AD, it’s a Varsity Sport. If the team exists separate from the AD it’s a club.UW_Doog_Bot said:
From your own articleYellowSnow said:
@UW_Doog_Bot you should have gone to CAL!! You could have gotten a sick Letter Man Jacket.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is similarly a weird dog(not a duck BONEM)YellowSnow said:
This is incorrect @UW_Doog_Bot . Let's clean a few things up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is Varsity but self funded as well. Last I checked they were playing with other status but hadn't changed. No full ride scholarships anyways.YellowSnow said:
But, here are my hang ups and we're I remain skeptical that UW would ever try to have Men's Hockey as a Varsity Sport...haie said:
I don't care which one. Not rowing.YellowSnow said:
Bruh!haie said:
Bro I went through this for 4 years at UW. My roommates were a spoiled rich kid from Dallas who was obsessed with the Stars and some other kids from BC who were Canucks fans. We yelled at each other constantly over this topic.YellowSnow said:
Not loaded question: how in the hell did ASU decide to have hockey as a varsity sport ?haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
In spite of plenty of NHL teams in the Pac 12 footprint there is no college hockey tradition out here.
If UW cuts some programs and starts Men's and Women's hockey teams, that's much better for the AD long term. Check out ASU's arena. UW could build that and sell that out every year.
But what mens varsity sport is UW gonna cut to add men’s ice hockey ? We run a pretty lean list of men’s varsity sports anyhow. We ain’t got swimming, wrastling, volleyball, etc, etc
But what has the other men's non revenue sports done. We're a few hours from BC we should build a program that can compete for the Frozen Four. It would attract money from both WA and BC.
First off, adding new Varsity Sports is expensive as fuck. Would these be scholarship student athletes? What woman's team is gonna get added then to balance that out for Title IX. One of the things that Men's Rowboat has in its favor, is that while it's a Varsity Sport at UW, me and @whlinder are rich AF so the scholarships for the guysm come out of a nearly $20 million private endowment; those 16 full rides don't count towards Title IX. The chick's numbers do as they are paid for by the Athletic Dept.
Again, when it comes to cutting a sport to add hockey, which men's team gets the Axe? There is a basic core level of non revenue men's sports teams that almost all Power 5's operate- i.e., track/xc, soccer, baseball, golf. It's hard to fathom getting rid of soccer or baseball to fun hockey. This would be madness.
Hockey to me seems like it will always be a "niche" Men's college sport like rowboat, lacrosse, water polo, wrastling, etc, where there has to be a strong pre-existing tradition and culture.
P.S. PM to @CanadianDAWG BC is vastly superior to WA for Juniors Rowing (especially on Vancouver Island). UW Crew has made hay off this for years and won Natties as a result.
No way UW builds a hockey arena with multiple already existing in the area despite how hard a boner the hockeyfans have. Costly in the extreme for essentially a one trick space that won't ever get filled to capacity while being hugely capital intensive and a non revenue generator.
Lol more likely women's hockey gets scholarships first to offset another men's sport first.
Rugy is not a "Varsity" sport at the University of Washington. It's a "club" sport. This is not meant as a knock against TUFF rugby players so don't twist.
The list of Varsity Sports is as follows:
Men's sports
Baseball
Basketball
Cross country
Football
Golf
Rowing
Soccer
Tennis
Track and field
Women's sports
Basketball
Beach volleyball
Cross country
Golf
Gymnastics
Rowing
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Huskies
https://gohuskies.com/
Men's Rowboat is kind of an odd duck, however. Men's Rowing is very much a part of the Athletic Department and the bulk of the budget is paid for by the Athletic Department like any other Varsity Sport. But back in the early 1900's Rowing told the NCAA to fuck off and the sport to this day is not governed by those Turds. Also the Men's schollies are privately endowed as noted above.
Women's Rowboat is a NCAA sport and the schollies come out of the general fund.
Founded in 1963, the University of Washington Husky Rugby Club plays college rugby in Division 1 in the Northwest Collegiate Rugby Conference against local rivals such as Washington State and Oregon. The Huskies won the Northwest championship in 1996, 2002, 2004 and 2005 and the D1AA Varsity Cup in 2014.
NOT NCAA either. It is a "club" in that every Rugby team is a "club" but was a varsity sport. It all goes back to the rugby vs. Football split.
The closest approximation is UW rowing but with a smaller endowment which admittedly UW's rowboat endowment is yuge. Rugby's isn't bad by the sports standard in the US.
Rugby is a Varsity Sport at Cal, the only one in the Pac 12.
https://calbears.com/sports/mens-rugby?path=mrugby
Fun fact: the only other D1 schools where Rugby is a Varsity Sport are Navy (shout out @Swaye ) and Army (shout out @CFetters_Nacho_Lover )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_rugby
"College rugby is often called a club sport because teams are usually administered by a student club sports department rather than the intercollegiate athletics department. Some schools have promoted rugby to varsity status, committing resources for scholarships and paid coaches, or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status."
A bunch that have quasi status...which is pretty much what I've been saying from the start. Rugby
at UW self funds and has an endowment. They also actually hire and pay real corches and have travel funds etc. All without paying to play(unlike hockey at the tim).
Sorry @YellowSnow but I ain't getting run so easily. This goes back to me actually having the exact conversation with a corch about the whole thing circa 2008 when I asked the very question "Are we a club or a varsity sport?" "It's complicated." "We are kind of like rowboat."
The article clearly states which schools have Varsity D1 Rugby programs- Cal, Navy and Army. That’s it.
None of this to say there aren’t bad ass athletes playing college club rugby at Washington or other schools.
BTW I had no idea until today that Cal has rugby as a Varsity sport. Kinda cool I think.
Uw falls into this part of the convo. "or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status." Which is pretty much what I've been saying all along.
I would bet that Title IX has something to do with it...
We got treated better than LaCrosse(who had to pay their own way) or Kenpo(lulz) but worse than rowboat *shrug
Swim got the opposite treatment while I was there it went from Varsity to club status. We(!) Were treated better than those losers at the ima!
Ex. When I broke my ankle in rugby I got to go to the same medical facilities as the rest of the sports guysm.
When I dislocated my finger in rec football I had to be a schlub and go to student medical like the poors.
The difference in facilities and treatment was pretty night and day. The former was still probably the best I've ever been treated medically.
Oh right, and I used up my college eligibility, which doesn't exist for club sports. @UW_Doog_Bot will not be trotting out on the pitch for official USC rugby matches no matter how good he can still spin it out to the outside center.
You want to call rugby the tallest midget instead of the shortest guy in the room. Cool man. What's in a name?
TLDR rugby occupies a weird space.
I just have to be a stickler for the details to protect the brand. I can't be having the lacrosse or cycling team bros out there claiming UW Varsity sport status and making themselves letterman jackets.
Also, just fucking with you to some degree. My corch never mentioned rowboat but I figured it would set you off. He did say rugby was it's own weird category.
Rugby isn't rowboat or baseball but it also isn't ultimate Frisbee club. We(!) Have our own field and not the shared IMA shit like LaCrosse. We(!) Have dedicated medical trainers, make use of the football practice facilities, get the indoor facilities, have travel budgets, etc. Again, the difference being that a large reason it is "revenue neutral" and probably skates Title IX is the self funding and sharing with the women's club. I'm not privy to that level of AD politics, accounting, finnagling, and decision making though just my speculation.
Women's rugby doesn't get the same favored treatment but it does get to piggyback off of men’s rugby facilities and funding. The girls DID have dues and ran as a club sport. They had to raise money for tournaments and travel etc.
Then there's all the ncaa vs. Usa rugby vs. Regional club bullshit but I'll spare you that haught talk.
TLDR I'm pretty sure Rugby is at that point of how a sport evolves into a varsity sport. Cal further along than most. Revenue and Women's status probably two of the main obstacles.
Color me skeptical. I think Football is going to gobble up its share and the other non revenue sports aren't going to want to compete for resources. Also, I think UW seems like the type of place that doesn't want to take on a non NCAA Varsity sport. Men's Rowboat is a special outlier here because of the 120 year history at UW and 20 Natties.
Some sports, like rowboat and rugby, will be fine Irregardless bc endowment $$$ and rich booster alumni.
Other sports are probably living on borrowed time bc they are basically just a huge red line item in a budget that will ultimately have to face reality when they kill the golden goose for all the little sisters of the poor. -
FREE PUB!!!YellowSnow said:
@UW_Doog_Bot you should have gone to CAL!! You could have gotten a sick Letter Man Jacket.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is similarly a weird dog(not a duck BONEM)YellowSnow said:
This is incorrect @UW_Doog_Bot . Let's clean a few things up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is Varsity but self funded as well. Last I checked they were playing with other status but hadn't changed. No full ride scholarships anyways.YellowSnow said:
But, here are my hang ups and we're I remain skeptical that UW would ever try to have Men's Hockey as a Varsity Sport...haie said:
I don't care which one. Not rowing.YellowSnow said:
Bruh!haie said:
Bro I went through this for 4 years at UW. My roommates were a spoiled rich kid from Dallas who was obsessed with the Stars and some other kids from BC who were Canucks fans. We yelled at each other constantly over this topic.YellowSnow said:
Not loaded question: how in the hell did ASU decide to have hockey as a varsity sport ?haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
In spite of plenty of NHL teams in the Pac 12 footprint there is no college hockey tradition out here.
If UW cuts some programs and starts Men's and Women's hockey teams, that's much better for the AD long term. Check out ASU's arena. UW could build that and sell that out every year.
But what mens varsity sport is UW gonna cut to add men’s ice hockey ? We run a pretty lean list of men’s varsity sports anyhow. We ain’t got swimming, wrastling, volleyball, etc, etc
But what has the other men's non revenue sports done. We're a few hours from BC we should build a program that can compete for the Frozen Four. It would attract money from both WA and BC.
First off, adding new Varsity Sports is expensive as fuck. Would these be scholarship student athletes? What woman's team is gonna get added then to balance that out for Title IX. One of the things that Men's Rowboat has in its favor, is that while it's a Varsity Sport at UW, me and @whlinder are rich AF so the scholarships for the guysm come out of a nearly $20 million private endowment; those 16 full rides don't count towards Title IX. The chick's numbers do as they are paid for by the Athletic Dept.
Again, when it comes to cutting a sport to add hockey, which men's team gets the Axe? There is a basic core level of non revenue men's sports teams that almost all Power 5's operate- i.e., track/xc, soccer, baseball, golf. It's hard to fathom getting rid of soccer or baseball to fun hockey. This would be madness.
Hockey to me seems like it will always be a "niche" Men's college sport like rowboat, lacrosse, water polo, wrastling, etc, where there has to be a strong pre-existing tradition and culture.
P.S. PM to @CanadianDAWG BC is vastly superior to WA for Juniors Rowing (especially on Vancouver Island). UW Crew has made hay off this for years and won Natties as a result.
No way UW builds a hockey arena with multiple already existing in the area despite how hard a boner the hockeyfans have. Costly in the extreme for essentially a one trick space that won't ever get filled to capacity while being hugely capital intensive and a non revenue generator.
Lol more likely women's hockey gets scholarships first to offset another men's sport first.
Rugy is not a "Varsity" sport at the University of Washington. It's a "club" sport. This is not meant as a knock against TUFF rugby players so don't twist.
The list of Varsity Sports is as follows:
Men's sports
Baseball
Basketball
Cross country
Football
Golf
Rowing
Soccer
Tennis
Track and field
Women's sports
Basketball
Beach volleyball
Cross country
Golf
Gymnastics
Rowing
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Huskies
https://gohuskies.com/
Men's Rowboat is kind of an odd duck, however. Men's Rowing is very much a part of the Athletic Department and the bulk of the budget is paid for by the Athletic Department like any other Varsity Sport. But back in the early 1900's Rowing told the NCAA to fuck off and the sport to this day is not governed by those Turds. Also the Men's schollies are privately endowed as noted above.
Women's Rowboat is a NCAA sport and the schollies come out of the general fund.
Founded in 1963, the University of Washington Husky Rugby Club plays college rugby in Division 1 in the Northwest Collegiate Rugby Conference against local rivals such as Washington State and Oregon. The Huskies won the Northwest championship in 1996, 2002, 2004 and 2005 and the D1AA Varsity Cup in 2014.
NOT NCAA either. It is a "club" in that every Rugby team is a "club" but was a varsity sport. It all goes back to the rugby vs. Football split.
The closest approximation is UW rowing but with a smaller endowment which admittedly UW's rowboat endowment is yuge. Rugby's isn't bad by the sports standard in the US.
Rugby is a Varsity Sport at Cal, the only one in the Pac 12.
https://calbears.com/sports/mens-rugby?path=mrugby
Fun fact: the only other D1 schools where Rugby is a Varsity Sport are Navy (shout out @Swaye ) and Army (shout out @CFetters_Nacho_Lover )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_rugby
UW Men’s basketball is a prime example.UW_Doog_Bot said:
All sports aside from football are shit tier by definition.BennyBeaver said:You know you’re a shit-tier sport when your website contact has a gmail address and a 509 are code.
Plenty of shit tier there as well like the little sisters of the poor WSU and OSU that can't sustain themselves. -
Oops.UW_Doog_Bot said:
We(!) Have our own field and not the shared IMA shit like LaCrosse.YellowSnow said:
Hopefully, as your valued e-fren you can forgive my periodic bullying of you on the topic.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except rugby does get AD support and use of facilities reserved for varsity sports like fields and the indoor practice facility etc. It's predominantly funded by the endowment being a major difference from most.YellowSnow said:
The corch was wrong though. It’s not really complicated. It’s rather cut and dry. If the sport is funded by the University AD and the corches are employed by the AD, it’s a Varsity Sport. If the team exists separate from the AD it’s a club.UW_Doog_Bot said:
From your own articleYellowSnow said:
@UW_Doog_Bot you should have gone to CAL!! You could have gotten a sick Letter Man Jacket.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is similarly a weird dog(not a duck BONEM)YellowSnow said:
This is incorrect @UW_Doog_Bot . Let's clean a few things up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is Varsity but self funded as well. Last I checked they were playing with other status but hadn't changed. No full ride scholarships anyways.YellowSnow said:
But, here are my hang ups and we're I remain skeptical that UW would ever try to have Men's Hockey as a Varsity Sport...haie said:
I don't care which one. Not rowing.YellowSnow said:
Bruh!haie said:
Bro I went through this for 4 years at UW. My roommates were a spoiled rich kid from Dallas who was obsessed with the Stars and some other kids from BC who were Canucks fans. We yelled at each other constantly over this topic.YellowSnow said:
Not loaded question: how in the hell did ASU decide to have hockey as a varsity sport ?haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
In spite of plenty of NHL teams in the Pac 12 footprint there is no college hockey tradition out here.
If UW cuts some programs and starts Men's and Women's hockey teams, that's much better for the AD long term. Check out ASU's arena. UW could build that and sell that out every year.
But what mens varsity sport is UW gonna cut to add men’s ice hockey ? We run a pretty lean list of men’s varsity sports anyhow. We ain’t got swimming, wrastling, volleyball, etc, etc
But what has the other men's non revenue sports done. We're a few hours from BC we should build a program that can compete for the Frozen Four. It would attract money from both WA and BC.
First off, adding new Varsity Sports is expensive as fuck. Would these be scholarship student athletes? What woman's team is gonna get added then to balance that out for Title IX. One of the things that Men's Rowboat has in its favor, is that while it's a Varsity Sport at UW, me and @whlinder are rich AF so the scholarships for the guysm come out of a nearly $20 million private endowment; those 16 full rides don't count towards Title IX. The chick's numbers do as they are paid for by the Athletic Dept.
Again, when it comes to cutting a sport to add hockey, which men's team gets the Axe? There is a basic core level of non revenue men's sports teams that almost all Power 5's operate- i.e., track/xc, soccer, baseball, golf. It's hard to fathom getting rid of soccer or baseball to fun hockey. This would be madness.
Hockey to me seems like it will always be a "niche" Men's college sport like rowboat, lacrosse, water polo, wrastling, etc, where there has to be a strong pre-existing tradition and culture.
P.S. PM to @CanadianDAWG BC is vastly superior to WA for Juniors Rowing (especially on Vancouver Island). UW Crew has made hay off this for years and won Natties as a result.
No way UW builds a hockey arena with multiple already existing in the area despite how hard a boner the hockeyfans have. Costly in the extreme for essentially a one trick space that won't ever get filled to capacity while being hugely capital intensive and a non revenue generator.
Lol more likely women's hockey gets scholarships first to offset another men's sport first.
Rugy is not a "Varsity" sport at the University of Washington. It's a "club" sport. This is not meant as a knock against TUFF rugby players so don't twist.
The list of Varsity Sports is as follows:
Men's sports
Baseball
Basketball
Cross country
Football
Golf
Rowing
Soccer
Tennis
Track and field
Women's sports
Basketball
Beach volleyball
Cross country
Golf
Gymnastics
Rowing
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Huskies
https://gohuskies.com/
Men's Rowboat is kind of an odd duck, however. Men's Rowing is very much a part of the Athletic Department and the bulk of the budget is paid for by the Athletic Department like any other Varsity Sport. But back in the early 1900's Rowing told the NCAA to fuck off and the sport to this day is not governed by those Turds. Also the Men's schollies are privately endowed as noted above.
Women's Rowboat is a NCAA sport and the schollies come out of the general fund.
Founded in 1963, the University of Washington Husky Rugby Club plays college rugby in Division 1 in the Northwest Collegiate Rugby Conference against local rivals such as Washington State and Oregon. The Huskies won the Northwest championship in 1996, 2002, 2004 and 2005 and the D1AA Varsity Cup in 2014.
NOT NCAA either. It is a "club" in that every Rugby team is a "club" but was a varsity sport. It all goes back to the rugby vs. Football split.
The closest approximation is UW rowing but with a smaller endowment which admittedly UW's rowboat endowment is yuge. Rugby's isn't bad by the sports standard in the US.
Rugby is a Varsity Sport at Cal, the only one in the Pac 12.
https://calbears.com/sports/mens-rugby?path=mrugby
Fun fact: the only other D1 schools where Rugby is a Varsity Sport are Navy (shout out @Swaye ) and Army (shout out @CFetters_Nacho_Lover )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_rugby
"College rugby is often called a club sport because teams are usually administered by a student club sports department rather than the intercollegiate athletics department. Some schools have promoted rugby to varsity status, committing resources for scholarships and paid coaches, or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status."
A bunch that have quasi status...which is pretty much what I've been saying from the start. Rugby
at UW self funds and has an endowment. They also actually hire and pay real corches and have travel funds etc. All without paying to play(unlike hockey at the tim).
Sorry @YellowSnow but I ain't getting run so easily. This goes back to me actually having the exact conversation with a corch about the whole thing circa 2008 when I asked the very question "Are we a club or a varsity sport?" "It's complicated." "We are kind of like rowboat."
The article clearly states which schools have Varsity D1 Rugby programs- Cal, Navy and Army. That’s it.
None of this to say there aren’t bad ass athletes playing college club rugby at Washington or other schools.
BTW I had no idea until today that Cal has rugby as a Varsity sport. Kinda cool I think.
Uw falls into this part of the convo. "or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status." Which is pretty much what I've been saying all along.
I would bet that Title IX has something to do with it...
We got treated better than LaCrosse(who had to pay their own way) or Kenpo(lulz) but worse than rowboat *shrug
Swim got the opposite treatment while I was there it went from Varsity to club status. We(!) Were treated better than those losers at the ima!
Ex. When I broke my ankle in rugby I got to go to the same medical facilities as the rest of the sports guysm.
When I dislocated my finger in rec football I had to be a schlub and go to student medical like the poors.
The difference in facilities and treatment was pretty night and day. The former was still probably the best I've ever been treated medically.
Oh right, and I used up my college eligibility, which doesn't exist for club sports. @UW_Doog_Bot will not be trotting out on the pitch for official USC rugby matches no matter how good he can still spin it out to the outside center.
You want to call rugby the tallest midget instead of the shortest guy in the room. Cool man. What's in a name?
TLDR rugby occupies a weird space.
I just have to be a stickler for the details to protect the brand. I can't be having the lacrosse or cycling team bros out there claiming UW Varsity sport status and making themselves letterman jackets.
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Ouch, things change all the tim.BennyBeaver said:
Oops.UW_Doog_Bot said:
We(!) Have our own field and not the shared IMA shit like LaCrosse.YellowSnow said:
Hopefully, as your valued e-fren you can forgive my periodic bullying of you on the topic.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except rugby does get AD support and use of facilities reserved for varsity sports like fields and the indoor practice facility etc. It's predominantly funded by the endowment being a major difference from most.YellowSnow said:
The corch was wrong though. It’s not really complicated. It’s rather cut and dry. If the sport is funded by the University AD and the corches are employed by the AD, it’s a Varsity Sport. If the team exists separate from the AD it’s a club.UW_Doog_Bot said:
From your own articleYellowSnow said:
@UW_Doog_Bot you should have gone to CAL!! You could have gotten a sick Letter Man Jacket.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is similarly a weird dog(not a duck BONEM)YellowSnow said:
This is incorrect @UW_Doog_Bot . Let's clean a few things up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is Varsity but self funded as well. Last I checked they were playing with other status but hadn't changed. No full ride scholarships anyways.YellowSnow said:
But, here are my hang ups and we're I remain skeptical that UW would ever try to have Men's Hockey as a Varsity Sport...haie said:
I don't care which one. Not rowing.YellowSnow said:
Bruh!haie said:
Bro I went through this for 4 years at UW. My roommates were a spoiled rich kid from Dallas who was obsessed with the Stars and some other kids from BC who were Canucks fans. We yelled at each other constantly over this topic.YellowSnow said:
Not loaded question: how in the hell did ASU decide to have hockey as a varsity sport ?haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
In spite of plenty of NHL teams in the Pac 12 footprint there is no college hockey tradition out here.
If UW cuts some programs and starts Men's and Women's hockey teams, that's much better for the AD long term. Check out ASU's arena. UW could build that and sell that out every year.
But what mens varsity sport is UW gonna cut to add men’s ice hockey ? We run a pretty lean list of men’s varsity sports anyhow. We ain’t got swimming, wrastling, volleyball, etc, etc
But what has the other men's non revenue sports done. We're a few hours from BC we should build a program that can compete for the Frozen Four. It would attract money from both WA and BC.
First off, adding new Varsity Sports is expensive as fuck. Would these be scholarship student athletes? What woman's team is gonna get added then to balance that out for Title IX. One of the things that Men's Rowboat has in its favor, is that while it's a Varsity Sport at UW, me and @whlinder are rich AF so the scholarships for the guysm come out of a nearly $20 million private endowment; those 16 full rides don't count towards Title IX. The chick's numbers do as they are paid for by the Athletic Dept.
Again, when it comes to cutting a sport to add hockey, which men's team gets the Axe? There is a basic core level of non revenue men's sports teams that almost all Power 5's operate- i.e., track/xc, soccer, baseball, golf. It's hard to fathom getting rid of soccer or baseball to fun hockey. This would be madness.
Hockey to me seems like it will always be a "niche" Men's college sport like rowboat, lacrosse, water polo, wrastling, etc, where there has to be a strong pre-existing tradition and culture.
P.S. PM to @CanadianDAWG BC is vastly superior to WA for Juniors Rowing (especially on Vancouver Island). UW Crew has made hay off this for years and won Natties as a result.
No way UW builds a hockey arena with multiple already existing in the area despite how hard a boner the hockeyfans have. Costly in the extreme for essentially a one trick space that won't ever get filled to capacity while being hugely capital intensive and a non revenue generator.
Lol more likely women's hockey gets scholarships first to offset another men's sport first.
Rugy is not a "Varsity" sport at the University of Washington. It's a "club" sport. This is not meant as a knock against TUFF rugby players so don't twist.
The list of Varsity Sports is as follows:
Men's sports
Baseball
Basketball
Cross country
Football
Golf
Rowing
Soccer
Tennis
Track and field
Women's sports
Basketball
Beach volleyball
Cross country
Golf
Gymnastics
Rowing
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Huskies
https://gohuskies.com/
Men's Rowboat is kind of an odd duck, however. Men's Rowing is very much a part of the Athletic Department and the bulk of the budget is paid for by the Athletic Department like any other Varsity Sport. But back in the early 1900's Rowing told the NCAA to fuck off and the sport to this day is not governed by those Turds. Also the Men's schollies are privately endowed as noted above.
Women's Rowboat is a NCAA sport and the schollies come out of the general fund.
Founded in 1963, the University of Washington Husky Rugby Club plays college rugby in Division 1 in the Northwest Collegiate Rugby Conference against local rivals such as Washington State and Oregon. The Huskies won the Northwest championship in 1996, 2002, 2004 and 2005 and the D1AA Varsity Cup in 2014.
NOT NCAA either. It is a "club" in that every Rugby team is a "club" but was a varsity sport. It all goes back to the rugby vs. Football split.
The closest approximation is UW rowing but with a smaller endowment which admittedly UW's rowboat endowment is yuge. Rugby's isn't bad by the sports standard in the US.
Rugby is a Varsity Sport at Cal, the only one in the Pac 12.
https://calbears.com/sports/mens-rugby?path=mrugby
Fun fact: the only other D1 schools where Rugby is a Varsity Sport are Navy (shout out @Swaye ) and Army (shout out @CFetters_Nacho_Lover )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_rugby
"College rugby is often called a club sport because teams are usually administered by a student club sports department rather than the intercollegiate athletics department. Some schools have promoted rugby to varsity status, committing resources for scholarships and paid coaches, or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status."
A bunch that have quasi status...which is pretty much what I've been saying from the start. Rugby
at UW self funds and has an endowment. They also actually hire and pay real corches and have travel funds etc. All without paying to play(unlike hockey at the tim).
Sorry @YellowSnow but I ain't getting run so easily. This goes back to me actually having the exact conversation with a corch about the whole thing circa 2008 when I asked the very question "Are we a club or a varsity sport?" "It's complicated." "We are kind of like rowboat."
The article clearly states which schools have Varsity D1 Rugby programs- Cal, Navy and Army. That’s it.
None of this to say there aren’t bad ass athletes playing college club rugby at Washington or other schools.
BTW I had no idea until today that Cal has rugby as a Varsity sport. Kinda cool I think.
Uw falls into this part of the convo. "or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status." Which is pretty much what I've been saying all along.
I would bet that Title IX has something to do with it...
We got treated better than LaCrosse(who had to pay their own way) or Kenpo(lulz) but worse than rowboat *shrug
Swim got the opposite treatment while I was there it went from Varsity to club status. We(!) Were treated better than those losers at the ima!
Ex. When I broke my ankle in rugby I got to go to the same medical facilities as the rest of the sports guysm.
When I dislocated my finger in rec football I had to be a schlub and go to student medical like the poors.
The difference in facilities and treatment was pretty night and day. The former was still probably the best I've ever been treated medically.
Oh right, and I used up my college eligibility, which doesn't exist for club sports. @UW_Doog_Bot will not be trotting out on the pitch for official USC rugby matches no matter how good he can still spin it out to the outside center.
You want to call rugby the tallest midget instead of the shortest guy in the room. Cool man. What's in a name?
TLDR rugby occupies a weird space.
I just have to be a stickler for the details to protect the brand. I can't be having the lacrosse or cycling team bros out there claiming UW Varsity sport status and making themselves letterman jackets.
Field probably got swallowed for the new DEI housing and cultural center. -
UW_Doog_Bot said:
Ouch, things change all the tim.BennyBeaver said:
Oops.UW_Doog_Bot said:
We(!) Have our own field and not the shared IMA shit like LaCrosse.YellowSnow said:
Hopefully, as your valued e-fren you can forgive my periodic bullying of you on the topic.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except rugby does get AD support and use of facilities reserved for varsity sports like fields and the indoor practice facility etc. It's predominantly funded by the endowment being a major difference from most.YellowSnow said:
The corch was wrong though. It’s not really complicated. It’s rather cut and dry. If the sport is funded by the University AD and the corches are employed by the AD, it’s a Varsity Sport. If the team exists separate from the AD it’s a club.UW_Doog_Bot said:
From your own articleYellowSnow said:
@UW_Doog_Bot you should have gone to CAL!! You could have gotten a sick Letter Man Jacket.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is similarly a weird dog(not a duck BONEM)YellowSnow said:
This is incorrect @UW_Doog_Bot . Let's clean a few things up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is Varsity but self funded as well. Last I checked they were playing with other status but hadn't changed. No full ride scholarships anyways.YellowSnow said:
But, here are my hang ups and we're I remain skeptical that UW would ever try to have Men's Hockey as a Varsity Sport...haie said:
I don't care which one. Not rowing.YellowSnow said:
Bruh!haie said:
Bro I went through this for 4 years at UW. My roommates were a spoiled rich kid from Dallas who was obsessed with the Stars and some other kids from BC who were Canucks fans. We yelled at each other constantly over this topic.YellowSnow said:
Not loaded question: how in the hell did ASU decide to have hockey as a varsity sport ?haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
In spite of plenty of NHL teams in the Pac 12 footprint there is no college hockey tradition out here.
If UW cuts some programs and starts Men's and Women's hockey teams, that's much better for the AD long term. Check out ASU's arena. UW could build that and sell that out every year.
But what mens varsity sport is UW gonna cut to add men’s ice hockey ? We run a pretty lean list of men’s varsity sports anyhow. We ain’t got swimming, wrastling, volleyball, etc, etc
But what has the other men's non revenue sports done. We're a few hours from BC we should build a program that can compete for the Frozen Four. It would attract money from both WA and BC.
First off, adding new Varsity Sports is expensive as fuck. Would these be scholarship student athletes? What woman's team is gonna get added then to balance that out for Title IX. One of the things that Men's Rowboat has in its favor, is that while it's a Varsity Sport at UW, me and @whlinder are rich AF so the scholarships for the guysm come out of a nearly $20 million private endowment; those 16 full rides don't count towards Title IX. The chick's numbers do as they are paid for by the Athletic Dept.
Again, when it comes to cutting a sport to add hockey, which men's team gets the Axe? There is a basic core level of non revenue men's sports teams that almost all Power 5's operate- i.e., track/xc, soccer, baseball, golf. It's hard to fathom getting rid of soccer or baseball to fun hockey. This would be madness.
Hockey to me seems like it will always be a "niche" Men's college sport like rowboat, lacrosse, water polo, wrastling, etc, where there has to be a strong pre-existing tradition and culture.
P.S. PM to @CanadianDAWG BC is vastly superior to WA for Juniors Rowing (especially on Vancouver Island). UW Crew has made hay off this for years and won Natties as a result.
No way UW builds a hockey arena with multiple already existing in the area despite how hard a boner the hockeyfans have. Costly in the extreme for essentially a one trick space that won't ever get filled to capacity while being hugely capital intensive and a non revenue generator.
Lol more likely women's hockey gets scholarships first to offset another men's sport first.
Rugy is not a "Varsity" sport at the University of Washington. It's a "club" sport. This is not meant as a knock against TUFF rugby players so don't twist.
The list of Varsity Sports is as follows:
Men's sports
Baseball
Basketball
Cross country
Football
Golf
Rowing
Soccer
Tennis
Track and field
Women's sports
Basketball
Beach volleyball
Cross country
Golf
Gymnastics
Rowing
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Huskies
https://gohuskies.com/
Men's Rowboat is kind of an odd duck, however. Men's Rowing is very much a part of the Athletic Department and the bulk of the budget is paid for by the Athletic Department like any other Varsity Sport. But back in the early 1900's Rowing told the NCAA to fuck off and the sport to this day is not governed by those Turds. Also the Men's schollies are privately endowed as noted above.
Women's Rowboat is a NCAA sport and the schollies come out of the general fund.
Founded in 1963, the University of Washington Husky Rugby Club plays college rugby in Division 1 in the Northwest Collegiate Rugby Conference against local rivals such as Washington State and Oregon. The Huskies won the Northwest championship in 1996, 2002, 2004 and 2005 and the D1AA Varsity Cup in 2014.
NOT NCAA either. It is a "club" in that every Rugby team is a "club" but was a varsity sport. It all goes back to the rugby vs. Football split.
The closest approximation is UW rowing but with a smaller endowment which admittedly UW's rowboat endowment is yuge. Rugby's isn't bad by the sports standard in the US.
Rugby is a Varsity Sport at Cal, the only one in the Pac 12.
https://calbears.com/sports/mens-rugby?path=mrugby
Fun fact: the only other D1 schools where Rugby is a Varsity Sport are Navy (shout out @Swaye ) and Army (shout out @CFetters_Nacho_Lover )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_rugby
"College rugby is often called a club sport because teams are usually administered by a student club sports department rather than the intercollegiate athletics department. Some schools have promoted rugby to varsity status, committing resources for scholarships and paid coaches, or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status."
A bunch that have quasi status...which is pretty much what I've been saying from the start. Rugby
at UW self funds and has an endowment. They also actually hire and pay real corches and have travel funds etc. All without paying to play(unlike hockey at the tim).
Sorry @YellowSnow but I ain't getting run so easily. This goes back to me actually having the exact conversation with a corch about the whole thing circa 2008 when I asked the very question "Are we a club or a varsity sport?" "It's complicated." "We are kind of like rowboat."
The article clearly states which schools have Varsity D1 Rugby programs- Cal, Navy and Army. That’s it.
None of this to say there aren’t bad ass athletes playing college club rugby at Washington or other schools.
BTW I had no idea until today that Cal has rugby as a Varsity sport. Kinda cool I think.
Uw falls into this part of the convo. "or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status." Which is pretty much what I've been saying all along.
I would bet that Title IX has something to do with it...
We got treated better than LaCrosse(who had to pay their own way) or Kenpo(lulz) but worse than rowboat *shrug
Swim got the opposite treatment while I was there it went from Varsity to club status. We(!) Were treated better than those losers at the ima!
Ex. When I broke my ankle in rugby I got to go to the same medical facilities as the rest of the sports guysm.
When I dislocated my finger in rec football I had to be a schlub and go to student medical like the poors.
The difference in facilities and treatment was pretty night and day. The former was still probably the best I've ever been treated medically.
Oh right, and I used up my college eligibility, which doesn't exist for club sports. @UW_Doog_Bot will not be trotting out on the pitch for official USC rugby matches no matter how good he can still spin it out to the outside center.
You want to call rugby the tallest midget instead of the shortest guy in the room. Cool man. What's in a name?
TLDR rugby occupies a weird space.
I just have to be a stickler for the details to protect the brand. I can't be having the lacrosse or cycling team bros out there claiming UW Varsity sport status and making themselves letterman jackets.
Field probably got swallowed for the new DEI housing and cultural center.
Akshully, it looks like an upgraded sports field. Mixed feelings.
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UW_Doog_Bot said:
Ouch, things change all the tim.BennyBeaver said:
Oops.UW_Doog_Bot said:
We(!) Have our own field and not the shared IMA shit like LaCrosse.YellowSnow said:
Hopefully, as your valued e-fren you can forgive my periodic bullying of you on the topic.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except rugby does get AD support and use of facilities reserved for varsity sports like fields and the indoor practice facility etc. It's predominantly funded by the endowment being a major difference from most.YellowSnow said:
The corch was wrong though. It’s not really complicated. It’s rather cut and dry. If the sport is funded by the University AD and the corches are employed by the AD, it’s a Varsity Sport. If the team exists separate from the AD it’s a club.UW_Doog_Bot said:
From your own articleYellowSnow said:
@UW_Doog_Bot you should have gone to CAL!! You could have gotten a sick Letter Man Jacket.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is similarly a weird dog(not a duck BONEM)YellowSnow said:
This is incorrect @UW_Doog_Bot . Let's clean a few things up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is Varsity but self funded as well. Last I checked they were playing with other status but hadn't changed. No full ride scholarships anyways.YellowSnow said:
But, here are my hang ups and we're I remain skeptical that UW would ever try to have Men's Hockey as a Varsity Sport...haie said:
I don't care which one. Not rowing.YellowSnow said:
Bruh!haie said:
Bro I went through this for 4 years at UW. My roommates were a spoiled rich kid from Dallas who was obsessed with the Stars and some other kids from BC who were Canucks fans. We yelled at each other constantly over this topic.YellowSnow said:
Not loaded question: how in the hell did ASU decide to have hockey as a varsity sport ?haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
In spite of plenty of NHL teams in the Pac 12 footprint there is no college hockey tradition out here.
If UW cuts some programs and starts Men's and Women's hockey teams, that's much better for the AD long term. Check out ASU's arena. UW could build that and sell that out every year.
But what mens varsity sport is UW gonna cut to add men’s ice hockey ? We run a pretty lean list of men’s varsity sports anyhow. We ain’t got swimming, wrastling, volleyball, etc, etc
But what has the other men's non revenue sports done. We're a few hours from BC we should build a program that can compete for the Frozen Four. It would attract money from both WA and BC.
First off, adding new Varsity Sports is expensive as fuck. Would these be scholarship student athletes? What woman's team is gonna get added then to balance that out for Title IX. One of the things that Men's Rowboat has in its favor, is that while it's a Varsity Sport at UW, me and @whlinder are rich AF so the scholarships for the guysm come out of a nearly $20 million private endowment; those 16 full rides don't count towards Title IX. The chick's numbers do as they are paid for by the Athletic Dept.
Again, when it comes to cutting a sport to add hockey, which men's team gets the Axe? There is a basic core level of non revenue men's sports teams that almost all Power 5's operate- i.e., track/xc, soccer, baseball, golf. It's hard to fathom getting rid of soccer or baseball to fun hockey. This would be madness.
Hockey to me seems like it will always be a "niche" Men's college sport like rowboat, lacrosse, water polo, wrastling, etc, where there has to be a strong pre-existing tradition and culture.
P.S. PM to @CanadianDAWG BC is vastly superior to WA for Juniors Rowing (especially on Vancouver Island). UW Crew has made hay off this for years and won Natties as a result.
No way UW builds a hockey arena with multiple already existing in the area despite how hard a boner the hockeyfans have. Costly in the extreme for essentially a one trick space that won't ever get filled to capacity while being hugely capital intensive and a non revenue generator.
Lol more likely women's hockey gets scholarships first to offset another men's sport first.
Rugy is not a "Varsity" sport at the University of Washington. It's a "club" sport. This is not meant as a knock against TUFF rugby players so don't twist.
The list of Varsity Sports is as follows:
Men's sports
Baseball
Basketball
Cross country
Football
Golf
Rowing
Soccer
Tennis
Track and field
Women's sports
Basketball
Beach volleyball
Cross country
Golf
Gymnastics
Rowing
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Huskies
https://gohuskies.com/
Men's Rowboat is kind of an odd duck, however. Men's Rowing is very much a part of the Athletic Department and the bulk of the budget is paid for by the Athletic Department like any other Varsity Sport. But back in the early 1900's Rowing told the NCAA to fuck off and the sport to this day is not governed by those Turds. Also the Men's schollies are privately endowed as noted above.
Women's Rowboat is a NCAA sport and the schollies come out of the general fund.
Founded in 1963, the University of Washington Husky Rugby Club plays college rugby in Division 1 in the Northwest Collegiate Rugby Conference against local rivals such as Washington State and Oregon. The Huskies won the Northwest championship in 1996, 2002, 2004 and 2005 and the D1AA Varsity Cup in 2014.
NOT NCAA either. It is a "club" in that every Rugby team is a "club" but was a varsity sport. It all goes back to the rugby vs. Football split.
The closest approximation is UW rowing but with a smaller endowment which admittedly UW's rowboat endowment is yuge. Rugby's isn't bad by the sports standard in the US.
Rugby is a Varsity Sport at Cal, the only one in the Pac 12.
https://calbears.com/sports/mens-rugby?path=mrugby
Fun fact: the only other D1 schools where Rugby is a Varsity Sport are Navy (shout out @Swaye ) and Army (shout out @CFetters_Nacho_Lover )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_rugby
"College rugby is often called a club sport because teams are usually administered by a student club sports department rather than the intercollegiate athletics department. Some schools have promoted rugby to varsity status, committing resources for scholarships and paid coaches, or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status."
A bunch that have quasi status...which is pretty much what I've been saying from the start. Rugby
at UW self funds and has an endowment. They also actually hire and pay real corches and have travel funds etc. All without paying to play(unlike hockey at the tim).
Sorry @YellowSnow but I ain't getting run so easily. This goes back to me actually having the exact conversation with a corch about the whole thing circa 2008 when I asked the very question "Are we a club or a varsity sport?" "It's complicated." "We are kind of like rowboat."
The article clearly states which schools have Varsity D1 Rugby programs- Cal, Navy and Army. That’s it.
None of this to say there aren’t bad ass athletes playing college club rugby at Washington or other schools.
BTW I had no idea until today that Cal has rugby as a Varsity sport. Kinda cool I think.
Uw falls into this part of the convo. "or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status." Which is pretty much what I've been saying all along.
I would bet that Title IX has something to do with it...
We got treated better than LaCrosse(who had to pay their own way) or Kenpo(lulz) but worse than rowboat *shrug
Swim got the opposite treatment while I was there it went from Varsity to club status. We(!) Were treated better than those losers at the ima!
Ex. When I broke my ankle in rugby I got to go to the same medical facilities as the rest of the sports guysm.
When I dislocated my finger in rec football I had to be a schlub and go to student medical like the poors.
The difference in facilities and treatment was pretty night and day. The former was still probably the best I've ever been treated medically.
Oh right, and I used up my college eligibility, which doesn't exist for club sports. @UW_Doog_Bot will not be trotting out on the pitch for official USC rugby matches no matter how good he can still spin it out to the outside center.
You want to call rugby the tallest midget instead of the shortest guy in the room. Cool man. What's in a name?
TLDR rugby occupies a weird space.
I just have to be a stickler for the details to protect the brand. I can't be having the lacrosse or cycling team bros out there claiming UW Varsity sport status and making themselves letterman jackets.
Field probably got swallowed for the new DEI housing and cultural center.
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Well, yeah, @UW_Doog_Bot in terms of butts in the seats and eyeballs in the screen it's Football with hoops a very different 2nd place, and then everything else is shit tier.UW_Doog_Bot said:
All sports aside from football are shit tier by definition.BennyBeaver said:You know you’re a shit-tier sport when your website contact has a gmail address and a 509 are code.
Plenty of shit tier there as well like the little sisters of the poor WSU and OSU that can't sustain themselves.
That being said, I'd say if you're in an Olympic sport at UW and go on to a National Team during or post college, you're probably more of a bad ass, rare human, than a scholarship JAG in Football.
@MrsSnow loves to tell me I wasn't a REAL College Athlete because (a) I'm slow and uncoordinated; (b) I didn't do my sport in HS; and (c) I wasn't on a full ride (Men's Crew didn't have schollies till the early 2000s). She's probably right, but still...
I remind her that they don't write NYT best sellers about her hoops team AND we(?) beat Hitler. -
I'd much rather be associated with 2008 UW rugby than 2008 UW football.YellowSnow said:
Well, yeah, @UW_Doog_Bot in terms of butts in the seats and eyeballs in the screen it's Football with hoops a very different 2nd place, and then everything else is shit tier.UW_Doog_Bot said:
All sports aside from football are shit tier by definition.BennyBeaver said:You know you’re a shit-tier sport when your website contact has a gmail address and a 509 are code.
Plenty of shit tier there as well like the little sisters of the poor WSU and OSU that can't sustain themselves.
That being said, I'd say if you're in an Olympic sport at UW and go on to a National Team during or post college, you're probably more of a bad ass, rare human, than a scholarship JAG in Football.
@MrsSnow loves to tell me I wasn't a REAL College Athlete because (a) I'm slow and uncoordinated; (b) I didn't do my sport in HS; and (c) I wasn't on a full ride (Men's Crew didn't have schollies till the early 2000s). She's probably right, but still...
I remind her that they don't write NYT best sellers about her hoops team AND we(?) beat Hitler. -
That field looks roughly the same size as a hockey arenaUW_Doog_Bot said:UW_Doog_Bot said:
Ouch, things change all the tim.BennyBeaver said:
Oops.UW_Doog_Bot said:
We(!) Have our own field and not the shared IMA shit like LaCrosse.YellowSnow said:
Hopefully, as your valued e-fren you can forgive my periodic bullying of you on the topic.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except rugby does get AD support and use of facilities reserved for varsity sports like fields and the indoor practice facility etc. It's predominantly funded by the endowment being a major difference from most.YellowSnow said:
The corch was wrong though. It’s not really complicated. It’s rather cut and dry. If the sport is funded by the University AD and the corches are employed by the AD, it’s a Varsity Sport. If the team exists separate from the AD it’s a club.UW_Doog_Bot said:
From your own articleYellowSnow said:
@UW_Doog_Bot you should have gone to CAL!! You could have gotten a sick Letter Man Jacket.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is similarly a weird dog(not a duck BONEM)YellowSnow said:
This is incorrect @UW_Doog_Bot . Let's clean a few things up.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Rugby is Varsity but self funded as well. Last I checked they were playing with other status but hadn't changed. No full ride scholarships anyways.YellowSnow said:
But, here are my hang ups and we're I remain skeptical that UW would ever try to have Men's Hockey as a Varsity Sport...haie said:
I don't care which one. Not rowing.YellowSnow said:
Bruh!haie said:
Bro I went through this for 4 years at UW. My roommates were a spoiled rich kid from Dallas who was obsessed with the Stars and some other kids from BC who were Canucks fans. We yelled at each other constantly over this topic.YellowSnow said:
Not loaded question: how in the hell did ASU decide to have hockey as a varsity sport ?haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
In spite of plenty of NHL teams in the Pac 12 footprint there is no college hockey tradition out here.
If UW cuts some programs and starts Men's and Women's hockey teams, that's much better for the AD long term. Check out ASU's arena. UW could build that and sell that out every year.
But what mens varsity sport is UW gonna cut to add men’s ice hockey ? We run a pretty lean list of men’s varsity sports anyhow. We ain’t got swimming, wrastling, volleyball, etc, etc
But what has the other men's non revenue sports done. We're a few hours from BC we should build a program that can compete for the Frozen Four. It would attract money from both WA and BC.
First off, adding new Varsity Sports is expensive as fuck. Would these be scholarship student athletes? What woman's team is gonna get added then to balance that out for Title IX. One of the things that Men's Rowboat has in its favor, is that while it's a Varsity Sport at UW, me and @whlinder are rich AF so the scholarships for the guysm come out of a nearly $20 million private endowment; those 16 full rides don't count towards Title IX. The chick's numbers do as they are paid for by the Athletic Dept.
Again, when it comes to cutting a sport to add hockey, which men's team gets the Axe? There is a basic core level of non revenue men's sports teams that almost all Power 5's operate- i.e., track/xc, soccer, baseball, golf. It's hard to fathom getting rid of soccer or baseball to fun hockey. This would be madness.
Hockey to me seems like it will always be a "niche" Men's college sport like rowboat, lacrosse, water polo, wrastling, etc, where there has to be a strong pre-existing tradition and culture.
P.S. PM to @CanadianDAWG BC is vastly superior to WA for Juniors Rowing (especially on Vancouver Island). UW Crew has made hay off this for years and won Natties as a result.
No way UW builds a hockey arena with multiple already existing in the area despite how hard a boner the hockeyfans have. Costly in the extreme for essentially a one trick space that won't ever get filled to capacity while being hugely capital intensive and a non revenue generator.
Lol more likely women's hockey gets scholarships first to offset another men's sport first.
Rugy is not a "Varsity" sport at the University of Washington. It's a "club" sport. This is not meant as a knock against TUFF rugby players so don't twist.
The list of Varsity Sports is as follows:
Men's sports
Baseball
Basketball
Cross country
Football
Golf
Rowing
Soccer
Tennis
Track and field
Women's sports
Basketball
Beach volleyball
Cross country
Golf
Gymnastics
Rowing
Soccer
Softball
Tennis
Track and field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Huskies
https://gohuskies.com/
Men's Rowboat is kind of an odd duck, however. Men's Rowing is very much a part of the Athletic Department and the bulk of the budget is paid for by the Athletic Department like any other Varsity Sport. But back in the early 1900's Rowing told the NCAA to fuck off and the sport to this day is not governed by those Turds. Also the Men's schollies are privately endowed as noted above.
Women's Rowboat is a NCAA sport and the schollies come out of the general fund.
Founded in 1963, the University of Washington Husky Rugby Club plays college rugby in Division 1 in the Northwest Collegiate Rugby Conference against local rivals such as Washington State and Oregon. The Huskies won the Northwest championship in 1996, 2002, 2004 and 2005 and the D1AA Varsity Cup in 2014.
NOT NCAA either. It is a "club" in that every Rugby team is a "club" but was a varsity sport. It all goes back to the rugby vs. Football split.
The closest approximation is UW rowing but with a smaller endowment which admittedly UW's rowboat endowment is yuge. Rugby's isn't bad by the sports standard in the US.
Rugby is a Varsity Sport at Cal, the only one in the Pac 12.
https://calbears.com/sports/mens-rugby?path=mrugby
Fun fact: the only other D1 schools where Rugby is a Varsity Sport are Navy (shout out @Swaye ) and Army (shout out @CFetters_Nacho_Lover )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_rugby
"College rugby is often called a club sport because teams are usually administered by a student club sports department rather than the intercollegiate athletics department. Some schools have promoted rugby to varsity status, committing resources for scholarships and paid coaches, or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status."
A bunch that have quasi status...which is pretty much what I've been saying from the start. Rugby
at UW self funds and has an endowment. They also actually hire and pay real corches and have travel funds etc. All without paying to play(unlike hockey at the tim).
Sorry @YellowSnow but I ain't getting run so easily. This goes back to me actually having the exact conversation with a corch about the whole thing circa 2008 when I asked the very question "Are we a club or a varsity sport?" "It's complicated." "We are kind of like rowboat."
The article clearly states which schools have Varsity D1 Rugby programs- Cal, Navy and Army. That’s it.
None of this to say there aren’t bad ass athletes playing college club rugby at Washington or other schools.
BTW I had no idea until today that Cal has rugby as a Varsity sport. Kinda cool I think.
Uw falls into this part of the convo. "or given rugby an elevated status short of full varsity status." Which is pretty much what I've been saying all along.
I would bet that Title IX has something to do with it...
We got treated better than LaCrosse(who had to pay their own way) or Kenpo(lulz) but worse than rowboat *shrug
Swim got the opposite treatment while I was there it went from Varsity to club status. We(!) Were treated better than those losers at the ima!
Ex. When I broke my ankle in rugby I got to go to the same medical facilities as the rest of the sports guysm.
When I dislocated my finger in rec football I had to be a schlub and go to student medical like the poors.
The difference in facilities and treatment was pretty night and day. The former was still probably the best I've ever been treated medically.
Oh right, and I used up my college eligibility, which doesn't exist for club sports. @UW_Doog_Bot will not be trotting out on the pitch for official USC rugby matches no matter how good he can still spin it out to the outside center.
You want to call rugby the tallest midget instead of the shortest guy in the room. Cool man. What's in a name?
TLDR rugby occupies a weird space.
I just have to be a stickler for the details to protect the brand. I can't be having the lacrosse or cycling team bros out there claiming UW Varsity sport status and making themselves letterman jackets.
Field probably got swallowed for the new DEI housing and cultural center.
Akshully, it looks like an upgraded sports field. Mixed feelings. -
It's not really legit. It's supposed to be a stop gap. It's called Mullet Arena and it might hold 6,000 at most. Coyotes ownership has sucked for a while.haie said:It's pathetic that ASU has an arena that is so legit the Phoenix coyotes will play there, while UW 3 hours from BC has it as a fucking club sport.
Fucking unreal.
The Kraken will correct this long term, but still.
