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The first technically proficient shredding on a rock record?

YellowSnow
YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,866 Founders Club
edited December 2022 in Yellow Snow's Record Shoppe
I was thinking about this the other day, and the first example of "shredding" I could think of, was the 2:15 mark of Heartbreaker on Zep II.

A quick search on Wikipedia confirmed my hunch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shred_guitar

Zep II has never really been surpassed as "heavy" guitars record BTW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZp2I3rntWw
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  • Joey
    Joey Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,597 Founders Club
    I think Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) has some shredding
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,866 Founders Club
    JoeEDangerously said:

    I think Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) has some shredding

    I could see an argument for made for this. At about 2:10, there's some "proto" shredding licks. Still a little too greasy and blues based to be REAL shredding.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,866 Founders Club
    I'd also put Jeff Beck's outro soloing at about 2:00 min mark on I'm a Man as some proto shredding @JoeEDangerously .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAdCePtwoW4
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,845 Swaye's Wigwam
    JoeEDangerously said:

    I think Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) has some shredding

    I was scrolling down to post exactly this.
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  • DawgOfTheAges
    DawgOfTheAges Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,827 Founders Club
    Great subject… love this question. Kinda does depend on what you consider to be shredding in that are you saying rapid and precise guitar? Or are you also including distortion as part of the total sound [most people consider that shredding needs to incorporate fuzz busting to be Bonafide]

    Early adopters and wave shapers absolutely include the obvious candidates of early career Jimmi Page and Eric Clapton as the precision players with the level and complexity + speed of execution which are at the heart of shredding… Page and LED ZEP add in the distortion later in a classic display of the new nation of cool.

    One of the early examples of Shredding with Distortion as a defined sound was the Classic Innagodadavida 17 minute recording which largely amounts to a Shredding with distortion beginning at 3:30 of the video…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UIVe-rZBcm4

    You also kind of have to include Blackmore as one of the leading early creators of the fuzz busting with taste and texture Shredding sound as he was rocking that sound prior to Deep Purple and continued on from there… a lot of people would say that he IS the true creator of Shredding…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H2ikDylNt8A

    The other amusing thing is the obvious origins of shredding without distortion that occurs in throughout the history of country music…check out glen campbell back in the day…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=coZfnXTBEJA
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,682
    Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
    https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,866 Founders Club
    Fishpo31 said:

    Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
    https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo

    Upvote since Kid Charlemagne is on my Mt Rushmore of favorite guitar solos. So is Peg off Aja.

    But there's nothing "technically, proficient shredding" on any Steely Dan recording. Ever.

    It's jazz based noodling and it's amazing, but does not "shred".
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  • Bad_MotherDucker
    Bad_MotherDucker Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,383 Swaye's Wigwam
    I'm in the same vein as @TheRoarOfTheCrowd for shredding definition. I'll add the solo should have multiple 16th notes and multiple scale runups and run downs.

    I know this topic is about rock, but this classical piece is an excellent example of shredding. The run at 1:20 and the outro are infuckingcredible. You definitely hear this in Yngwie Malmsteen's solos....and it's esoteric enough that even @creepycoug has to approve

    https://youtu.be/WMLoBXgPil8
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,682
    YellowSnow said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
    https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo

    Upvote since Kid Charlemagne is on my Mt Rushmore of favorite guitar solos. So is Peg off Aja.

    But there's nothing "technically, proficient shredding" on any Steely Dan recording. Ever.

    It's jazz based noodling and it's amazing, but does not "shred".
    https://youtu.be/Z3jYfDHkH-w
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,892 Standard Supporter
    YellowSnow said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
    https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo

    Upvote since Kid Charlemagne is on my Mt Rushmore of favorite guitar solos. So is Peg off Aja.

    But there's nothing "technically, proficient shredding" on any Steely Dan recording. Ever.

    It's jazz based noodling and it's amazing, but does not "shred".
    I actually listened, rather than roll my eyes at the thought of a Steely Dan shredding solo, and it definitely sounds like jazz rock you'd hear at the mall in the 90's while trying on your soon-to-be favorite pair of Dockers pants.
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