The first technically proficient shredding on a rock record?
A quick search on Wikipedia confirmed my hunch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shred_guitar
Zep II has never really been surpassed as "heavy" guitars record BTW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZp2I3rntWw Comments
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I think Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) has some shredding
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I could see an argument for made for this. At about 2:10, there's some "proto" shredding licks. Still a little too greasy and blues based to be REAL shredding.JoeEDangerously said:I think Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) has some shredding
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I'd also put Jeff Beck's outro soloing at about 2:00 min mark on I'm a Man as some proto shredding @JoeEDangerously .
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I was scrolling down to post exactly this.JoeEDangerously said:I think Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) has some shredding
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Great subject… love this question. Kinda does depend on what you consider to be shredding in that are you saying rapid and precise guitar? Or are you also including distortion as part of the total sound [most people consider that shredding needs to incorporate fuzz busting to be Bonafide]
Early adopters and wave shapers absolutely include the obvious candidates of early career Jimmi Page and Eric Clapton as the precision players with the level and complexity + speed of execution which are at the heart of shredding… Page and LED ZEP add in the distortion later in a classic display of the new nation of cool.
One of the early examples of Shredding with Distortion as a defined sound was the Classic Innagodadavida 17 minute recording which largely amounts to a Shredding with distortion beginning at 3:30 of the video…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UIVe-rZBcm4
You also kind of have to include Blackmore as one of the leading early creators of the fuzz busting with taste and texture Shredding sound as he was rocking that sound prior to Deep Purple and continued on from there… a lot of people would say that he IS the true creator of Shredding…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H2ikDylNt8A
The other amusing thing is the obvious origins of shredding without distortion that occurs in throughout the history of country music…check out glen campbell back in the day…
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Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
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Upvote since Kid Charlemagne is on my Mt Rushmore of favorite guitar solos. So is Peg off Aja.Fishpo31 said:Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo
But there's nothing "technically, proficient shredding" on any Steely Dan recording. Ever.
It's jazz based noodling and it's amazing, but does not "shred". -
I'm in the same vein as @TheRoarOfTheCrowd for shredding definition. I'll add the solo should have multiple 16th notes and multiple scale runups and run downs.
I know this topic is about rock, but this classical piece is an excellent example of shredding. The run at 1:20 and the outro are infuckingcredible. You definitely hear this in Yngwie Malmsteen's solos....and it's esoteric enough that even @creepycoug has to approve
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YellowSnow said:
Upvote since Kid Charlemagne is on my Mt Rushmore of favorite guitar solos. So is Peg off Aja.Fishpo31 said:Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo
But there's nothing "technically, proficient shredding" on any Steely Dan recording. Ever.
It's jazz based noodling and it's amazing, but does not "shred".
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I actually listened, rather than roll my eyes at the thought of a Steely Dan shredding solo, and it definitely sounds like jazz rock you'd hear at the mall in the 90's while trying on your soon-to-be favorite pair of Dockers pants.YellowSnow said:
Upvote since Kid Charlemagne is on my Mt Rushmore of favorite guitar solos. So is Peg off Aja.Fishpo31 said:Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo
But there's nothing "technically, proficient shredding" on any Steely Dan recording. Ever.
It's jazz based noodling and it's amazing, but does not "shred". -
Not technically proficient, at all.YellowSnow said:I'd also put Jeff Beck's outro soloing at about 2:00 min mark on I'm a Man as some proto shredding @JoeEDangerously .
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Triple shit post incoming.YellowSnow said:I was thinking about this the other day, and the first example of "shredding" I could think of, was the 2:15 mark of Heartbreaker on Zep II.
A quick search on Wikipedia confirmed my hunch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shred_guitar
Zep II has never really been surpassed as "heavy" guitars record BTW.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZp2I3rntWw
Kinda bluesy sounding, still. Shredding as an actual, intentional thing probably came around, what, 7-8 years after this album? Too revisionist to then run back and find the first precursor to actual shredding, IMO. If everything was invented and perfected by Zeppelin, rock was born and died in the 60's. -
Quality post… @Bad_MotherDucker, i enjoyed the thought process behind your postBad_MotherDucker said:I'm in the same vein as @TheRoarOfTheCrowd for shredding definition. I'll add the solo should have multiple 16th notes and multiple scale runups and run downs.
I know this topic is about rock, but this classical piece is an excellent example of shredding. The run at 1:20 and the outro are infuckingcredible. You definitely hear this in Yngwie Malmsteen's solos....and it's esoteric enough that even @creepycoug has to approvehttps://youtu.be/WMLoBXgPil8 -
While I think Zep is certainly the greatest of the "heavy" bands of all time, plenty came after them- i.e., VH, Metallica, etc. They didn't everything. And you're right, Page hadn't fully left the blues behind here which I think you really need to do to be truly technically proficient shredding. But it's getting darn close right here. So maybe "proto shredding" is the better label, much like how "proto punk" laid the ground work for REAL "punk".BleachedAnusDawg said:
Triple shit post incoming.YellowSnow said:I was thinking about this the other day, and the first example of "shredding" I could think of, was the 2:15 mark of Heartbreaker on Zep II.
A quick search on Wikipedia confirmed my hunch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shred_guitar
Zep II has never really been surpassed as "heavy" guitars record BTW.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZp2I3rntWw
Kinda bluesy sounding, still. Shredding as an actual, intentional thing probably came around, what, 7-8 years after this album? Too revisionist to then run back and find the first precursor to actual shredding, IMO. If everything was invented and perfected by Zeppelin, rock was born and died in the 60's.
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Steely Dan is way too outside your wheel house. It will never make sense.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I actually listened, rather than roll my eyes at the thought of a Steely Dan shredding solo, and it definitely sounds like jazz rock you'd hear at the mall in the 90's while trying on your soon-to-be favorite pair of Dockers pants.YellowSnow said:
Upvote since Kid Charlemagne is on my Mt Rushmore of favorite guitar solos. So is Peg off Aja.Fishpo31 said:Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo
But there's nothing "technically, proficient shredding" on any Steely Dan recording. Ever.
It's jazz based noodling and it's amazing, but does not "shred".
If you buy a sail boat to moor on Lake Union, let me know and we'll you in the club.
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These little yacht rock videos were so original and so fucking funnyYellowSnow said:
Steely Dan is way too outside your wheel house. It will never make sense.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I actually listened, rather than roll my eyes at the thought of a Steely Dan shredding solo, and it definitely sounds like jazz rock you'd hear at the mall in the 90's while trying on your soon-to-be favorite pair of Dockers pants.YellowSnow said:
Upvote since Kid Charlemagne is on my Mt Rushmore of favorite guitar solos. So is Peg off Aja.Fishpo31 said:Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo
But there's nothing "technically, proficient shredding" on any Steely Dan recording. Ever.
It's jazz based noodling and it's amazing, but does not "shred".
If you buy a sail boat to moor on Lake Union, let me know and we'll you in the club. -
They were fucking amazing. Just perfect.JoeEDangerously said:
These little yacht rock videos were so original and so fucking funnyYellowSnow said:
Steely Dan is way too outside your wheel house. It will never make sense.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I actually listened, rather than roll my eyes at the thought of a Steely Dan shredding solo, and it definitely sounds like jazz rock you'd hear at the mall in the 90's while trying on your soon-to-be favorite pair of Dockers pants.YellowSnow said:
Upvote since Kid Charlemagne is on my Mt Rushmore of favorite guitar solos. So is Peg off Aja.Fishpo31 said:Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo
But there's nothing "technically, proficient shredding" on any Steely Dan recording. Ever.
It's jazz based noodling and it's amazing, but does not "shred".
If you buy a sail boat to moor on Lake Union, let me know and we'll you in the club.
Michael McDonald with Dre Dre and Warren G takes the cake. -
Somehow I started listening to Iron Maiden for this project. How did I not know Run to the Hills is a @Swaye anthem.
There's a reason we had @UW_Doog_Bot run the All Metal NIT.
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IMO it is the birth. No one had combined tremolo picking, two hand tap, and dive bar action like that.YellowSnow said:
While I think Zep is certainly the greatest of the "heavy" bands of all time, plenty came after them- i.e., VH, Metallica, etc. They didn't everything. And you're right, Page hadn't fully left the blues behind here which I think you really need to do to be truly technically proficient shredding. But it's getting darn close right here. So maybe "proto shredding" is the better label, much like how "proto punk" laid the ground work for REAL "punk".BleachedAnusDawg said:
Triple shit post incoming.YellowSnow said:I was thinking about this the other day, and the first example of "shredding" I could think of, was the 2:15 mark of Heartbreaker on Zep II.
A quick search on Wikipedia confirmed my hunch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shred_guitar
Zep II has never really been surpassed as "heavy" guitars record BTW.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZp2I3rntWw
Kinda bluesy sounding, still. Shredding as an actual, intentional thing probably came around, what, 7-8 years after this album? Too revisionist to then run back and find the first precursor to actual shredding, IMO. If everything was invented and perfected by Zeppelin, rock was born and died in the 60's.
So is Eruption the birth of true shredding? -
Had me sold when Hall and Oates were the rebellious swashbuckling duoYellowSnow said:
They were fucking amazing. Just perfect.JoeEDangerously said:
These little yacht rock videos were so original and so fucking funnyYellowSnow said:
Steely Dan is way too outside your wheel house. It will never make sense.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I actually listened, rather than roll my eyes at the thought of a Steely Dan shredding solo, and it definitely sounds like jazz rock you'd hear at the mall in the 90's while trying on your soon-to-be favorite pair of Dockers pants.YellowSnow said:
Upvote since Kid Charlemagne is on my Mt Rushmore of favorite guitar solos. So is Peg off Aja.Fishpo31 said:Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo
But there's nothing "technically, proficient shredding" on any Steely Dan recording. Ever.
It's jazz based noodling and it's amazing, but does not "shred".
If you buy a sail boat to moor on Lake Union, let me know and we'll you in the club.
Michael McDonald with Dre Dre and Warren G takes the cake. -
Here's a 15yr old girl shredding this piece (the pinch harmonics are a nice touch). I'm telling you @YellowSnow you would be the King of White Wakanda adapting classical pieces to electric guitar and playing in front of your neighbors. Would make those MILF panties super moistTheRoarOfTheCrowd said:
Quality post… @Bad_MotherDucker, i enjoyed the thought process behind your postBad_MotherDucker said:I'm in the same vein as @TheRoarOfTheCrowd for shredding definition. I'll add the solo should have multiple 16th notes and multiple scale runups and run downs.
I know this topic is about rock, but this classical piece is an excellent example of shredding. The run at 1:20 and the outro are infuckingcredible. You definitely hear this in Yngwie Malmsteen's solos....and it's esoteric enough that even @creepycoug has to approvehttps://youtu.be/WMLoBXgPil8
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Approval granted.Bad_MotherDucker said:I'm in the same vein as @TheRoarOfTheCrowd for shredding definition. I'll add the solo should have multiple 16th notes and multiple scale runups and run downs.
I know this topic is about rock, but this classical piece is an excellent example of shredding. The run at 1:20 and the outro are infuckingcredible. You definitely hear this in Yngwie Malmsteen's solos....and it's esoteric enough that even @creepycoug has to approvehttps://youtu.be/WMLoBXgPil8 -
While this is fun to listen to, this is exactly why Transiberian Orchestra exists.Bad_MotherDucker said:
Here's a 15yr old girl shredding this piece (the pinch harmonics are a nice touch). I'm telling you @YellowSnow you would be the King of White Wakanda adapting classical pieces to electric guitar and playing in front of your neighbors. Would make those MILF panties super moistTheRoarOfTheCrowd said:
Quality post… @Bad_MotherDucker, i enjoyed the thought process behind your postBad_MotherDucker said:I'm in the same vein as @TheRoarOfTheCrowd for shredding definition. I'll add the solo should have multiple 16th notes and multiple scale runups and run downs.
I know this topic is about rock, but this classical piece is an excellent example of shredding. The run at 1:20 and the outro are infuckingcredible. You definitely hear this in Yngwie Malmsteen's solos....and it's esoteric enough that even @creepycoug has to approvehttps://youtu.be/WMLoBXgPil8https://youtu.be/kl8B2eRqRSY -
Eruption is the genesis, IMO. A guitar solo as a standalone track and is epic shredding. I remember one of my two dad's (the long-time rock musician one) telling me about the first time he heard Eruption and how mind-blowing it was to hear as an aspiring musician.Bad_MotherDucker said:
IMO it is the birth. No one had combined tremolo picking, two hand tap, and dive bar action like that.YellowSnow said:
While I think Zep is certainly the greatest of the "heavy" bands of all time, plenty came after them- i.e., VH, Metallica, etc. They didn't everything. And you're right, Page hadn't fully left the blues behind here which I think you really need to do to be truly technically proficient shredding. But it's getting darn close right here. So maybe "proto shredding" is the better label, much like how "proto punk" laid the ground work for REAL "punk".BleachedAnusDawg said:
Triple shit post incoming.YellowSnow said:I was thinking about this the other day, and the first example of "shredding" I could think of, was the 2:15 mark of Heartbreaker on Zep II.
A quick search on Wikipedia confirmed my hunch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shred_guitar
Zep II has never really been surpassed as "heavy" guitars record BTW.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZp2I3rntWw
Kinda bluesy sounding, still. Shredding as an actual, intentional thing probably came around, what, 7-8 years after this album? Too revisionist to then run back and find the first precursor to actual shredding, IMO. If everything was invented and perfected by Zeppelin, rock was born and died in the 60's.
So is Eruption the birth of true shredding? -
I could never get in to boat culture. And now you tell me I'd have to listen to Steely Dan the whole time, too?YellowSnow said:
Steely Dan is way too outside your wheel house. It will never make sense.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I actually listened, rather than roll my eyes at the thought of a Steely Dan shredding solo, and it definitely sounds like jazz rock you'd hear at the mall in the 90's while trying on your soon-to-be favorite pair of Dockers pants.YellowSnow said:
Upvote since Kid Charlemagne is on my Mt Rushmore of favorite guitar solos. So is Peg off Aja.Fishpo31 said:Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo
But there's nothing "technically, proficient shredding" on any Steely Dan recording. Ever.
It's jazz based noodling and it's amazing, but does not "shred".
If you buy a sail boat to moor on Lake Union, let me know and we'll you in the club.
Although believe it or not my second favorite genre of music after rock/metal is classical piano. -
My dude, I've got hella classical piano on audiophile vinyl. Arthur Rubenstein with the Chicago Symphony orchestra doing Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto #2 is one of the best.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I could never get in to boat culture. And now you tell me I'd have to listen to Steely Dan the whole time, too?YellowSnow said:
Steely Dan is way too outside your wheel house. It will never make sense.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I actually listened, rather than roll my eyes at the thought of a Steely Dan shredding solo, and it definitely sounds like jazz rock you'd hear at the mall in the 90's while trying on your soon-to-be favorite pair of Dockers pants.YellowSnow said:
Upvote since Kid Charlemagne is on my Mt Rushmore of favorite guitar solos. So is Peg off Aja.Fishpo31 said:Larry Carlton at the 2 minute mark, through the outro. He said it was the only spontaneous solo he’s done on record. IIRC, he did two takes, and Donald and Walter mashed them together…
https://youtu.be/jJ9Xk-VoGqo
But there's nothing "technically, proficient shredding" on any Steely Dan recording. Ever.
It's jazz based noodling and it's amazing, but does not "shred".
If you buy a sail boat to moor on Lake Union, let me know and we'll you in the club.
Although believe it or not my second favorite genre of music after rock/metal is classical piano. -
Lol. I'll never be any more than a shitty rhythm guitar player. My fingers are just too clumsy to shred.Bad_MotherDucker said:
Here's a 15yr old girl shredding this piece (the pinch harmonics are a nice touch). I'm telling you @YellowSnow you would be the King of White Wakanda adapting classical pieces to electric guitar and playing in front of your neighbors. Would make those MILF panties super moistTheRoarOfTheCrowd said:
Quality post… @Bad_MotherDucker, i enjoyed the thought process behind your postBad_MotherDucker said:I'm in the same vein as @TheRoarOfTheCrowd for shredding definition. I'll add the solo should have multiple 16th notes and multiple scale runups and run downs.
I know this topic is about rock, but this classical piece is an excellent example of shredding. The run at 1:20 and the outro are infuckingcredible. You definitely hear this in Yngwie Malmsteen's solos....and it's esoteric enough that even @creepycoug has to approvehttps://youtu.be/WMLoBXgPil8https://youtu.be/kl8B2eRqRSY
The only thing I can do to make the MILFs moist is tune the Strat to Open G and trying to pretend I'm Keith Richards.
