He couldn't speak in a full sentence and won. OZ or whoever wasn't beating that
Reports saying Trump is upset with the wifey for convincing him to back Oz. If you take the wins, you gotta take the losses, Donald.
That being said, Fetterman has spent two years getting things lined up. He won counties where Joey V. got beat badly. That's not Oz, that's him working long before this election. He said last night it's been a two year process.
And thats why you needed a real politician in tjwre to fight him, who knew how to do that too, not soke tv celebrity.
Top end takeaway tonight should be that Trump’s influence in the GOP should not be public facing (at worst) in any way shape or form
You can’t leave tonight thinking that Trump is electable in 2024
I don't entirely agree with you, Goduckies and Grundle. I understand yours and 97% of anyone with an ounce of conservatism in their bones opining on the subject this morning. My only concession on Trump would be he stays relevant from an elder statesman perspective and passes the reigns to DeSantis. But there's not much decorum to Trump so I doubt that's even possible. Cons apparently are always going to lose so why not go down fighting as hard as you can?
The problem is that you need to run a candidate that (at least publicly) defeats Trump and isn’t part of Trump’s umbrella
Anybody tied to Trump will just drive the same type of ads that Murray was running on Smiley and those Trump ties have big implications to a material segment of voters
So your a no on DeSantis?
I think DeSantis is very electable nationally
What I wonder though is whether the carnage of running a primary in 2024 against Trump is worth it or does he sit out, watch Biden vs Trump II, and continue building that resume in Florida for a 2028 run with far fewer land mines to navigate against
I don't think it matters. DeSantis will be the most likeable, polished, and competent rival Trump will have ever faced. The one liners (Sleepy Joe, Lyin' Ted, Little Marco) won't work. He already swung and missed terribly with Ron DeSanctimonious. DeSantis will absolutely obliterate Trump. That might hurt him though, because the heavy Trump followers will not like him made out as a fool, and will lash at the person that does. On the other hand, going toe to toe with Trump and knocking him the fuck out will probably gravitate a shit ton of moderate independents that would likely have voted democrat his way. So taking away democrat votes and netting them, will outweigh the loss of Trump extremists as they will just stay home instead of voting for the democrat.
Trump's ability to build a colaition and expand his base will never be greater than it is right now. The baggage he carries will never allow him to win another general election. His brand is toxic to too many people in this country.
DeSantis needs the Trump base which is a wider coalition than the GOP. He is also easily tied to Trump. To think otherwise is foolish
Now if he is all that he can navigate those waters. Embrace the Trump base and issues while being his own man and ignoring the bedwetters who scream at the thought of anything Trump
If he sits out then 2028 is too late. And he's a coward.
If DeSantis runs away from the so called MAGA issues I'll sit it our the same way the never Trumpers did. Payback is a bitch. What's another 4 years of leftist rule anyway?
You're not worried about the heavy Trump crowd. They aren't voting democrat. You need the housewives and DeSantis is far from a lock to get them by the time Newsom and his hair gel have two years two work on him
Bob is right that Trump can't expand his base and I'm right that no GOP can win without it
The narrative will be happy to focus 100% on the two horse race and let the democrat sit in the basement again. Run the fullback dive until its stopped
Anybody tied to Trump will just drive the same type of ads that Murray was running on Smiley and those Trump ties have big implications to a material segment of voters
Remember when Guilt By Association was condemned by the Obama Campaign over his relationship with Bill Ayers of the Weathermen?
But when it's beneficial to the dems, let her rip!
Trump's ability to build a colaition and expand his base will never be greater than it is right now. The baggage he carries will never allow him to win another general election. His brand is toxic to too many people in this country.
That's not a Trump problem, that's a Voter problem. I pity the direction this country is continuing to take, where telling the truth and telling foreign grifter turncoat assholes to fuck off dooms anyone's political future.
Seems nobody wants a strong and great America, but only a politically woke America, on its knees, sucking off China and other enemies.
Trump's ability to build a colaition and expand his base will never be greater than it is right now. The baggage he carries will never allow him to win another general election. His brand is toxic to too many people in this country.
That's not a Trump problem, that's a Voter problem. I pity the direction this country is continuing to take, where telling the truth and telling foreign grifter turncoat assholes to fuck off dooms anyone's political future.
Seems nobody wants a strong and great America, but only a politically woke America, on its knees, sucking off China and other enemies.
#NotWhatMyDadAndUnclesFoughtAndDiedFor
You very well have a valid discussion point about the US having a voter problem
But let’s be honest, that isn’t changing
What’s easier? Change the messenger or change the voters? What’s easier … fire the coach or get rid of the players?
Trump's ability to build a colaition and expand his base will never be greater than it is right now. The baggage he carries will never allow him to win another general election. His brand is toxic to too many people in this country.
That's not a Trump problem, that's a Voter problem. I pity the direction this country is continuing to take, where telling the truth and telling foreign grifter turncoat assholes to fuck off dooms anyone's political future.
Seems nobody wants a strong and great America, but only a politically woke America, on its knees, sucking off China and other enemies.
#NotWhatMyDadAndUnclesFoughtAndDiedFor
You very well have a valid discussion point about the US having a voter problem
But let’s be honest, that isn’t changing
What’s easier? Change the messenger or change the voters? What’s easier … fire the coach or get rid of the players?
Changing a messenger is temporary at best, and not a solution. We need radical changes to offset the damage done by libs and so-called "progressives" - which basically means Uber-tolerant of ridiculous ideas like trans-activism, socialism and authoritarianism, today.
Our voter base is completely fucked up, backwards and stupid. If we cannot wake up the progressive zombies, the country is doomed beyond repair and no messenger will be able to fix it. Shit, we're probably at that point now.
Trump's ability to build a colaition and expand his base will never be greater than it is right now. The baggage he carries will never allow him to win another general election. His brand is toxic to too many people in this country.
That's not a Trump problem, that's a Voter problem. I pity the direction this country is continuing to take, where telling the truth and telling foreign grifter turncoat assholes to fuck off dooms anyone's political future.
Seems nobody wants a strong and great America, but only a politically woke America, on its knees, sucking off China and other enemies.
#NotWhatMyDadAndUnclesFoughtAndDiedFor
You very well have a valid discussion point about the US having a voter problem
But let’s be honest, that isn’t changing
What’s easier? Change the messenger or change the voters? What’s easier … fire the coach or get rid of the players?
It's the message not the messenger that triggers the left
Hope this helps
I suppose the GOP could try Liz Cheney. Great messenger
Trump's ability to build a colaition and expand his base will never be greater than it is right now. The baggage he carries will never allow him to win another general election. His brand is toxic to too many people in this country.
That's not a Trump problem, that's a Voter problem. I pity the direction this country is continuing to take, where telling the truth and telling foreign grifter turncoat assholes to fuck off dooms anyone's political future.
Seems nobody wants a strong and great America, but only a politically woke America, on its knees, sucking off China and other enemies.
#NotWhatMyDadAndUnclesFoughtAndDiedFor
You very well have a valid discussion point about the US having a voter problem
But let’s be honest, that isn’t changing
What’s easier? Change the messenger or change the voters? What’s easier … fire the coach or get rid of the players?
Changing a messenger is temporary at best, and not a solution. We need radical changes to offset the damage done by libs and so-called "progressives" - which basically means Uber-tolerant of ridiculous ideas like trans-activism, socialism and authoritarianism, today.
Our voter base is completely fucked up, backwards and stupid. If we cannot wake up the progressive zombies, the country is doomed beyond repair and no messenger will be able to fix it. Shit, we're probably at that point now.
Trump's ability to build a colaition and expand his base will never be greater than it is right now. The baggage he carries will never allow him to win another general election. His brand is toxic to too many people in this country.
That's not a Trump problem, that's a Voter problem. I pity the direction this country is continuing to take, where telling the truth and telling foreign grifter turncoat assholes to fuck off dooms anyone's political future.
Seems nobody wants a strong and great America, but only a politically woke America, on its knees, sucking off China and other enemies.
#NotWhatMyDadAndUnclesFoughtAndDiedFor
You very well have a valid discussion point about the US having a voter problem
But let’s be honest, that isn’t changing
What’s easier? Change the messenger or change the voters? What’s easier … fire the coach or get rid of the players?
It's the message not the messenger that triggers the left
Hope this helps
I suppose the GOP could try Liz Cheney. Great messenger
fetterman beat oz ... handily ... because many people like the way he looks ... he's rough around the edges, got some ink, and whiter than oz and they all wish they looked tougher than they really are.
plus he looks like keith jardine (who is a great guy btw)
and oz looks like a dude who would fly an airplane into a building ... and being so educated and of supposedly higher moral/ethical standing - these are the people republicans actually don't like so they will vote for the mixed martial arts actor instead.
which, of course, is a longstanding indictment of Americans, in general, or at least the ones who feel threatened that they will further lose their seat at the table.
all this is fun shit talk designed to rile up you clowns on the tug ... you guys rock lol.
fetterman beat oz ... handily ... because many people like the way he looks ... he's rough around the edges, got some ink, and whiter than oz and they all wish they looked tougher than they really are.
plus he looks like keith jardine (who is a great guy btw)
and oz looks like a dude who would fly an airplane into a building ... and being so educated and of supposedly higher moral/ethical standing - these are the people republicans actually don't like so they will vote for the mixed martial arts actor instead.
which, of course, is a longstanding indictment of Americans, in general, or at least the ones who feel threatened that they will further lose their seat at the table.
all this is fun shit talk designed to rile up you clowns on the tug ... you guys rock lol.
Your latent racism is only outshined by your patent Islamophobia.
Thank you for trying to obscure your bigotry with a sad joke.
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Now if he is all that he can navigate those waters. Embrace the Trump base and issues while being his own man and ignoring the bedwetters who scream at the thought of anything Trump
If he sits out then 2028 is too late. And he's a coward.
If DeSantis runs away from the so called MAGA issues I'll sit it our the same way the never Trumpers did. Payback is a bitch. What's another 4 years of leftist rule anyway?
You're not worried about the heavy Trump crowd. They aren't voting democrat. You need the housewives and DeSantis is far from a lock to get them by the time Newsom and his hair gel have two years two work on him
Bob is right that Trump can't expand his base and I'm right that no GOP can win without it
The narrative will be happy to focus 100% on the two horse race and let the democrat sit in the basement again. Run the fullback dive until its stopped
But when it's beneficial to the dems, let her rip!
Seems nobody wants a strong and great America, but only a politically woke America, on its knees, sucking off China and other enemies.
#NotWhatMyDadAndUnclesFoughtAndDiedFor
We've reached Idiocracy levels of stupid with the DNC.
But let’s be honest, that isn’t changing
What’s easier? Change the messenger or change the voters? What’s easier … fire the coach or get rid of the players?
Our voter base is completely fucked up, backwards and stupid. If we cannot wake up the progressive zombies, the country is doomed beyond repair and no messenger will be able to fix it. Shit, we're probably at that point now.
Fuck the Revolution. Bring on the Apocalypse.
Hope this helps
I suppose the GOP could try Liz Cheney. Great messenger
fetterman beat oz ... handily ... because many people like the way he looks ... he's rough around the edges, got some ink, and whiter than oz and they all wish they looked tougher than they really are.
plus he looks like keith jardine (who is a great guy btw)
and oz looks like a dude who would fly an airplane into a building ... and being so educated and of supposedly higher moral/ethical standing - these are the people republicans actually don't like so they will vote for the mixed martial arts actor instead.
which, of course, is a longstanding indictment of Americans, in general, or at least the ones who feel threatened that they will further lose their seat at the table.
all this is fun shit talk designed to rile up you clowns on the tug ... you guys rock lol.
Thank you for trying to obscure your bigotry with a sad joke.