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If a freak like Fetterman is a US Senator,
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Jim Ocosta "reporting" that he is hearing reports of Trump in a rage and screaming at everyone46XiJCAB said:
Reports saying Trump is upset with the wifey for convincing him to back Oz. If you take the wins, you gotta take the losses, Donald.RaceBannon said:Fetterman could have run against anyone
He couldn't speak in a full sentence and won. OZ or whoever wasn't beating that
That being said, Fetterman has spent two years getting things lined up. He won counties where Joey V. got beat badly. That's not Oz, that's him working long before this election. He said last night it's been a two year process.
Just what he is hearing
Whatever. Next Tuesday he is in or he is out. Sounds like DeSantis doesn't care either way -
The problem is that you need to run a candidate that (at least publicly) defeats Trump and isn’t part of Trump’s umbrellaRoadTrip said:
I don't entirely agree with you, Goduckies and Grundle. I understand yours and 97% of anyone with an ounce of conservatism in their bones opining on the subject this morning. My only concession on Trump would be he stays relevant from an elder statesman perspective and passes the reigns to DeSantis. But there's not much decorum to Trump so I doubt that's even possible. Cons apparently are always going to lose so why not go down fighting as hard as you can?Tequilla said:Top end takeaway tonight should be that Trump’s influence in the GOP should not be public facing (at worst) in any way shape or form
You can’t leave tonight thinking that Trump is electable in 2024
Anybody tied to Trump will just drive the same type of ads that Murray was running on Smiley and those Trump ties have big implications to a material segment of voters -
Maggie Haberman the initial source. Take that for what it’s worth.RaceBannon said:
Jim Ocosta "reporting" that he is hearing reports of Trump in a rage and screaming at everyone46XiJCAB said:
Reports saying Trump is upset with the wifey for convincing him to back Oz. If you take the wins, you gotta take the losses, Donald.RaceBannon said:Fetterman could have run against anyone
He couldn't speak in a full sentence and won. OZ or whoever wasn't beating that
That being said, Fetterman has spent two years getting things lined up. He won counties where Joey V. got beat badly. That's not Oz, that's him working long before this election. He said last night it's been a two year process.
Just what he is hearing
Whatever. Next Tuesday he is in or he is out. Sounds like DeSantis doesn't care either way -
So your a no on DeSantis?Tequilla said:
The problem is that you need to run a candidate that (at least publicly) defeats Trump and isn’t part of Trump’s umbrellaRoadTrip said:
I don't entirely agree with you, Goduckies and Grundle. I understand yours and 97% of anyone with an ounce of conservatism in their bones opining on the subject this morning. My only concession on Trump would be he stays relevant from an elder statesman perspective and passes the reigns to DeSantis. But there's not much decorum to Trump so I doubt that's even possible. Cons apparently are always going to lose so why not go down fighting as hard as you can?Tequilla said:Top end takeaway tonight should be that Trump’s influence in the GOP should not be public facing (at worst) in any way shape or form
You can’t leave tonight thinking that Trump is electable in 2024
Anybody tied to Trump will just drive the same type of ads that Murray was running on Smiley and those Trump ties have big implications to a material segment of voters -
Those ads ran nonstop against Joe Kent and it looks like he may still end up winning WA-03. King Co. was never voting Smiley and the offset outside the Blue fortress of Puget Sound wasn’t enough.Tequilla said:
The problem is that you need to run a candidate that (at least publicly) defeats Trump and isn’t part of Trump’s umbrellaRoadTrip said:
I don't entirely agree with you, Goduckies and Grundle. I understand yours and 97% of anyone with an ounce of conservatism in their bones opining on the subject this morning. My only concession on Trump would be he stays relevant from an elder statesman perspective and passes the reigns to DeSantis. But there's not much decorum to Trump so I doubt that's even possible. Cons apparently are always going to lose so why not go down fighting as hard as you can?Tequilla said:Top end takeaway tonight should be that Trump’s influence in the GOP should not be public facing (at worst) in any way shape or form
You can’t leave tonight thinking that Trump is electable in 2024
Anybody tied to Trump will just drive the same type of ads that Murray was running on Smiley and those Trump ties have big implications to a material segment of voters -
I think DeSantis is very electable nationallyRaceBannon said:
So your a no on DeSantis?Tequilla said:
The problem is that you need to run a candidate that (at least publicly) defeats Trump and isn’t part of Trump’s umbrellaRoadTrip said:
I don't entirely agree with you, Goduckies and Grundle. I understand yours and 97% of anyone with an ounce of conservatism in their bones opining on the subject this morning. My only concession on Trump would be he stays relevant from an elder statesman perspective and passes the reigns to DeSantis. But there's not much decorum to Trump so I doubt that's even possible. Cons apparently are always going to lose so why not go down fighting as hard as you can?Tequilla said:Top end takeaway tonight should be that Trump’s influence in the GOP should not be public facing (at worst) in any way shape or form
You can’t leave tonight thinking that Trump is electable in 2024
Anybody tied to Trump will just drive the same type of ads that Murray was running on Smiley and those Trump ties have big implications to a material segment of voters
What I wonder though is whether the carnage of running a primary in 2024 against Trump is worth it or does he sit out, watch Biden vs Trump II, and continue building that resume in Florida for a 2028 run with far fewer land mines to navigate against -
It's going to be hard to tie DeSantis too closely to Trump. He has been a very successful Gov. with his own list of achievements.Tequilla said:
The problem is that you need to run a candidate that (at least publicly) defeats Trump and isn’t part of Trump’s umbrellaRoadTrip said:
I don't entirely agree with you, Goduckies and Grundle. I understand yours and 97% of anyone with an ounce of conservatism in their bones opining on the subject this morning. My only concession on Trump would be he stays relevant from an elder statesman perspective and passes the reigns to DeSantis. But there's not much decorum to Trump so I doubt that's even possible. Cons apparently are always going to lose so why not go down fighting as hard as you can?Tequilla said:Top end takeaway tonight should be that Trump’s influence in the GOP should not be public facing (at worst) in any way shape or form
You can’t leave tonight thinking that Trump is electable in 2024
Anybody tied to Trump will just drive the same type of ads that Murray was running on Smiley and those Trump ties have big implications to a material segment of voters -
I don't think it matters. DeSantis will be the most likeable, polished, and competent rival Trump will have ever faced. The one liners (Sleepy Joe, Lyin' Ted, Little Marco) won't work. He already swung and missed terribly with Ron DeSanctimonious. DeSantis will absolutely obliterate Trump. That might hurt him though, because the heavy Trump followers will not like him made out as a fool, and will lash at the person that does. On the other hand, going toe to toe with Trump and knocking him the fuck out will probably gravitate a shit ton of moderate independents that would likely have voted democrat his way. So taking away democrat votes and netting them should outweigh the loss of Trump extremists as they will just stay home instead of voting for the democrat.Tequilla said:
I think DeSantis is very electable nationallyRaceBannon said:
So your a no on DeSantis?Tequilla said:
The problem is that you need to run a candidate that (at least publicly) defeats Trump and isn’t part of Trump’s umbrellaRoadTrip said:
I don't entirely agree with you, Goduckies and Grundle. I understand yours and 97% of anyone with an ounce of conservatism in their bones opining on the subject this morning. My only concession on Trump would be he stays relevant from an elder statesman perspective and passes the reigns to DeSantis. But there's not much decorum to Trump so I doubt that's even possible. Cons apparently are always going to lose so why not go down fighting as hard as you can?Tequilla said:Top end takeaway tonight should be that Trump’s influence in the GOP should not be public facing (at worst) in any way shape or form
You can’t leave tonight thinking that Trump is electable in 2024
Anybody tied to Trump will just drive the same type of ads that Murray was running on Smiley and those Trump ties have big implications to a material segment of voters
What I wonder though is whether the carnage of running a primary in 2024 against Trump is worth it or does he sit out, watch Biden vs Trump II, and continue building that resume in Florida for a 2028 run with far fewer land mines to navigate against -
I completely agree on thatSFGbob said:
It's going to be hard to tie DeSantis too closely to Trump. He has been a very successful Gov. with his own list of achievements.Tequilla said:
The problem is that you need to run a candidate that (at least publicly) defeats Trump and isn’t part of Trump’s umbrellaRoadTrip said:
I don't entirely agree with you, Goduckies and Grundle. I understand yours and 97% of anyone with an ounce of conservatism in their bones opining on the subject this morning. My only concession on Trump would be he stays relevant from an elder statesman perspective and passes the reigns to DeSantis. But there's not much decorum to Trump so I doubt that's even possible. Cons apparently are always going to lose so why not go down fighting as hard as you can?Tequilla said:Top end takeaway tonight should be that Trump’s influence in the GOP should not be public facing (at worst) in any way shape or form
You can’t leave tonight thinking that Trump is electable in 2024
Anybody tied to Trump will just drive the same type of ads that Murray was running on Smiley and those Trump ties have big implications to a material segment of voters
If I was advising DeSantis I’d definitely want to evaluate all angles of Trump putting enough hits on DeSantis to compromise him and/or Trump cannibalizes him with a 3rd party run -
Trump's ability to build a colaition and expand his base will never be greater than it is right now. The baggage he carries will never allow him to win another general election. His brand is toxic to too many people in this country.greenblood said:
I don't think it matters. DeSantis will be the most likeable, polished, and competent rival Trump will have ever faced. The one liners (Sleepy Joe, Lyin' Ted, Little Marco) won't work. He already swung and missed terribly with Ron DeSanctimonious. DeSantis will absolutely obliterate Trump. That might hurt him though, because the heavy Trump followers will not like him made out as a fool, and will lash at the person that does. On the other hand, going toe to toe with Trump and knocking him the fuck out will probably gravitate a shit ton of moderate independents that would likely have voted democrat his way. So taking away democrat votes and netting them, will outweigh the loss of Trump extremists as they will just stay home instead of voting for the democrat.Tequilla said:
I think DeSantis is very electable nationallyRaceBannon said:
So your a no on DeSantis?Tequilla said:
The problem is that you need to run a candidate that (at least publicly) defeats Trump and isn’t part of Trump’s umbrellaRoadTrip said:
I don't entirely agree with you, Goduckies and Grundle. I understand yours and 97% of anyone with an ounce of conservatism in their bones opining on the subject this morning. My only concession on Trump would be he stays relevant from an elder statesman perspective and passes the reigns to DeSantis. But there's not much decorum to Trump so I doubt that's even possible. Cons apparently are always going to lose so why not go down fighting as hard as you can?Tequilla said:Top end takeaway tonight should be that Trump’s influence in the GOP should not be public facing (at worst) in any way shape or form
You can’t leave tonight thinking that Trump is electable in 2024
Anybody tied to Trump will just drive the same type of ads that Murray was running on Smiley and those Trump ties have big implications to a material segment of voters
What I wonder though is whether the carnage of running a primary in 2024 against Trump is worth it or does he sit out, watch Biden vs Trump II, and continue building that resume in Florida for a 2028 run with far fewer land mines to navigate against
