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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,755 Standard Supporter
    Fishpo31 said:

    Bob_C said:

    Will BA's naturally just go up because of the new shift rules going in? Seems like they would, and a real opportunity for the nerds to find out which guys were most impacted negatively by the shift and go try to snatch up those cheap contracts.

    The counter to that I guess is will batters be negatively impacted by seeing the shortstop sprinting towards right field once the pitch is in the air? Seems like that is possible.

    It is all cause/effect. Launch angle was the counter when everybody started to shift, (if you can't hit it through them, hit it over them) and K numbers started climbing accordingly. The high,"chase" FB becomes a thing to counter it. Defensive positioning adjusts; hitters adjust; pitchers adjust.

    It will take a while to make the correction, and it may not be as dramatic as we might think. A lot of guys are making big$$ hitting .220 with 30 jacks and 200 Ks. You will still see shifts, and holes to hit through, but without the Rover...

    One thing that is still in play is the different, uncomfortable angles that guys are put in to turn a double-play.
    Isn't MLB about to ban the shift defense? Get rid of that shit, just like you can't actually play zone in the NBA. It ruins the product.
  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,676

    Fishpo31 said:

    Bob_C said:

    Will BA's naturally just go up because of the new shift rules going in? Seems like they would, and a real opportunity for the nerds to find out which guys were most impacted negatively by the shift and go try to snatch up those cheap contracts.

    The counter to that I guess is will batters be negatively impacted by seeing the shortstop sprinting towards right field once the pitch is in the air? Seems like that is possible.

    It is all cause/effect. Launch angle was the counter when everybody started to shift, (if you can't hit it through them, hit it over them) and K numbers started climbing accordingly. The high,"chase" FB becomes a thing to counter it. Defensive positioning adjusts; hitters adjust; pitchers adjust.

    It will take a while to make the correction, and it may not be as dramatic as we might think. A lot of guys are making big$$ hitting .220 with 30 jacks and 200 Ks. You will still see shifts, and holes to hit through, but without the Rover...

    One thing that is still in play is the different, uncomfortable angles that guys are put in to turn a double-play.
    Isn't MLB about to ban the shift defense? Get rid of that shit, just like you can't actually play zone in the NBA. It ruins the product.
    Yes. Two infielders on each side of the bag, feet on the dirt…
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,289 Founders Club
    Fishpo31 said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    Bob_C said:

    Will BA's naturally just go up because of the new shift rules going in? Seems like they would, and a real opportunity for the nerds to find out which guys were most impacted negatively by the shift and go try to snatch up those cheap contracts.

    The counter to that I guess is will batters be negatively impacted by seeing the shortstop sprinting towards right field once the pitch is in the air? Seems like that is possible.

    It is all cause/effect. Launch angle was the counter when everybody started to shift, (if you can't hit it through them, hit it over them) and K numbers started climbing accordingly. The high,"chase" FB becomes a thing to counter it. Defensive positioning adjusts; hitters adjust; pitchers adjust.

    It will take a while to make the correction, and it may not be as dramatic as we might think. A lot of guys are making big$$ hitting .220 with 30 jacks and 200 Ks. You will still see shifts, and holes to hit through, but without the Rover...

    One thing that is still in play is the different, uncomfortable angles that guys are put in to turn a double-play.
    Isn't MLB about to ban the shift defense? Get rid of that shit, just like you can't actually play zone in the NBA. It ruins the product.
    Yes. Two infielders on each side of the bag, feet on the dirt…
    But they can move once the pitch is in the air.
  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,676
    Bob_C said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    Bob_C said:

    Will BA's naturally just go up because of the new shift rules going in? Seems like they would, and a real opportunity for the nerds to find out which guys were most impacted negatively by the shift and go try to snatch up those cheap contracts.

    The counter to that I guess is will batters be negatively impacted by seeing the shortstop sprinting towards right field once the pitch is in the air? Seems like that is possible.

    It is all cause/effect. Launch angle was the counter when everybody started to shift, (if you can't hit it through them, hit it over them) and K numbers started climbing accordingly. The high,"chase" FB becomes a thing to counter it. Defensive positioning adjusts; hitters adjust; pitchers adjust.

    It will take a while to make the correction, and it may not be as dramatic as we might think. A lot of guys are making big$$ hitting .220 with 30 jacks and 200 Ks. You will still see shifts, and holes to hit through, but without the Rover...

    One thing that is still in play is the different, uncomfortable angles that guys are put in to turn a double-play.
    Isn't MLB about to ban the shift defense? Get rid of that shit, just like you can't actually play zone in the NBA. It ruins the product.
    Yes. Two infielders on each side of the bag, feet on the dirt…
    But they can move once the pitch is in the air.
    Yes they can, but the elapsed time for out-of-hand to hitting zone is roughly .425 seconds, at 95mph…
  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,676
    There will be shifting, but not as radical. Straight-up positioning is roughly 15 feet over, 15 feet deep for middle INF, for corners a step and a dive from the lines. I think we will see the off-side MIF play as far to the pull side as he can, on the "side of origin", per new rule. When one shifts, the corner guy must go with him, so for a LH hitter, the SS will be just to the left side of the bag (as viewed from the plate), and the 3B moving to the 6.5 hole.
  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,676
    As a college coach, the info is limited, the skill is limited, as is the execution. For the last 15-20 years, I have my guys play to the pull side in the infield, and the off side in the OF. This covers the gaps spacing-wise, so balls don't roll all the way to the wall...