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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    Bob_C said:

    Will BA's naturally just go up because of the new shift rules going in? Seems like they would, and a real opportunity for the nerds to find out which guys were most impacted negatively by the shift and go try to snatch up those cheap contracts.

    The counter to that I guess is will batters be negatively impacted by seeing the shortstop sprinting towards right field once the pitch is in the air? Seems like that is possible.

    Yep seems like this will be an issue and one that is almost impossible to predict. Somebody in Tampa is trying to develop an algorithm for it right now though assuredly. Going to be a really chinteresting adjustment year.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    They had to make the playoffs this year and did. Then they even won a playoff series.

    It's not a natty but it might just be the 1989 Freedom Bowel.

    I'm as optimistic as a fan who has lived through 30 some years of Mariner failure can be.

    LIFPO
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,812 Swaye's Wigwam
    dnc said:

    They had to make the playoffs this year and did. Then they even won a playoff series.

    It's not a natty but it might just be the 1989 Freedom Bowel.

    I'm as optimistic as a fan who has lived through 30 some years of Mariner failure can be.

    LIFPO

    Anyone watching can see they've built a contender that can go toe to toe with anyone. The question is whether it takes another step or not, and a yes answer seems to bee in the cards. Good tims.
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,676
    Reminds me of a convo with an old departed scout when I was breaking in. The question: Arms or bats? His reply…”Arms. You trade young arms for the fucking bats”. “We” are getting there…
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,812 Swaye's Wigwam
    Fishpo31 said:

    Reminds me of a convo with an old departed scout when I was breaking in. The question: Arms or bats? His reply…”Arms. You trade young arms for the fucking bats”. “We” are getting there…

    It sounds like there are three more guys in the system about ready to come up to MLB. Hancock has the name recognition and the stuff to be a good trade piece. I'd be fine with them moving him only because I don't think his arm will hold up long term.

    Flexen is good trade bait. I wish Marco was but the future numbers in his contract look ugly to me. I need to see that again.
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,676
    I have no issue with Marco as the 5th starter going forward. He's a former #1starter, a different look than Ray from the left side, and is a competitor and leader. He does well with what he has…that’s a 5th starter. Flex for a bat…
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,812 Swaye's Wigwam
    Fishpo31 said:

    I have no issue with Marco as the 5th starter going forward. He's a former #1starter, a different look than Ray from the left side, and is a competitor and leader. He does well with what he has…that’s a 5th starter. Flex for a bat…

    There's typically a sense that even a dominant staff should accept one soft tosser who "eats innings" and generally keeps you in the game if you're scoring.

    I dont subscribe. He's going to be badly overpaid in the near future and is no better than average at anything. I'd dump him with a smile if he wasn't a key guy in the club house and if they weren't tied to him by a questionable contract.

    The 5th spot should be where you let your young guys ready to move up make some mlb starts IMO. Of course nothing ever works according to that plan due to injuries or unexpectedly good or bad showings by individuals.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 69,843 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    They had to make the playoffs this year and did. Then they even won a playoff series.

    It's not a natty but it might just be the 1989 Freedom Bowel.

    I'm as optimistic as a fan who has lived through 30 some years of Mariner failure can be.

    LIFPO

    Being a Mariners fan isn't for sermon seekers
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  • phineas
    phineas Member Posts: 4,732
    i liked what I saw from Flexen during the year, more so than marco.
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,676
    Bob_C said:

    Will BA's naturally just go up because of the new shift rules going in? Seems like they would, and a real opportunity for the nerds to find out which guys were most impacted negatively by the shift and go try to snatch up those cheap contracts.

    The counter to that I guess is will batters be negatively impacted by seeing the shortstop sprinting towards right field once the pitch is in the air? Seems like that is possible.

    It is all cause/effect. Launch angle was the counter when everybody started to shift, (if you can't hit it through them, hit it over them) and K numbers started climbing accordingly. The high,"chase" FB becomes a thing to counter it. Defensive positioning adjusts; hitters adjust; pitchers adjust.

    It will take a while to make the correction, and it may not be as dramatic as we might think. A lot of guys are making big$$ hitting .220 with 30 jacks and 200 Ks. You will still see shifts, and holes to hit through, but without the Rover...

    One thing that is still in play is the different, uncomfortable angles that guys are put in to turn a double-play.
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