Magical season?
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He's basically a slow pitch softball type of personality from what I've seen. Chug some beers, talk some shit, don't over exert until it's absolutely necessary.Fishpo31 said:They have a Haggerty-Kelenic platoon (the playoff plan before Hag got hurt), and ship Winker somewhere for a bag of BP balls...He has ability, but I can remember early on thinking that he looked different than a typical big leaguer, as in under-developed physically. Red flag, I should have trusted my gut.
Edit: I just realized something: I literally had no idea who Eugenio Suarez was before this year...We are Salary-Dump Champions!
My thoughts too but I'm not sure about Philly. I haven't watched them at all and don't know shit about their pitching staff.Fishpo31 said:
I think the Friars (ILTCTTF, IWILTD) may be the only club that could give the Astros a run for the money…YellowSnow said:#MyPadres looking strong.
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I didn't see the article summarizing the Divish comments until last night. The Ms really have a good group of local writers and commenter imo. Makes me jealous as a Husky fan. They're moogs, I suppose, but they know their shit and aren't afraid to call out players and management where appropriate.Fishpo31 said:They have a Haggerty-Kelenic platoon (the playoff plan before Hag got hurt), and ship Winker somewhere for a bag of BP balls...He has ability, but I can remember early on thinking that he looked different than a typical big leaguer, as in under-developed physically. Red flag, I should have trusted my gut.
Edit: I just realized something: I literally had no idea who Eugenio Suarez was before this year...We are Salary-Dump Champions!
I'm disappointed because Winker 2021 was exactly the kind of hitter I wanted...a high BA, high OBP guy with some power. Ty France on better juice, basically.
I can only handle so many guys averaging 2/10 with a homer, a walk or two, and 7 KS. Someone has to get on base and someone needs to consistently hit the ball hard when others are on base.
Anyways, winker seems to be on his way out so I really hope they can find a bat like his wa supposed to be. -
I called the sweep after game 1. You don't chase out the likely 2022 Cy Young winner only to lose, and expect to bounce back from that.
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Same. That was the opening and I really believed the Ms would go on to sweep or win in 4 at worst if they hadn't blown that one.greenblood said:I called the sweep after game 1. You don't chase out the likely 2022 Cy Young winner only to lose, and expect to bounce back from that.
As it happened, even carrying a lead into the 6th in game 2, with a dominant starter still on the mound and going strong, there was a sense of inevitability. The same feeling was present through the entirety of game 3. -
Maybe the situation with Winker isn't what we thought? Knee and neck surgery.
ESPN: Julio Rodriguez broke finger, among M's facing offseason recovery.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34834762/julio-rodriguez-broke-finger-m-facing-offseason-recovery -
I caught some of R.R Aussie-Hyphen on the radio. What he said made sense, if it actually happened that way. Said Winker is the class-clown, and when it's going well, everyone laughs. When it isn't, they get pissed. Also talked about the dark side of being injured, not being able to perform at a high level, contribute, and dealing with individual stuff in a team setting.
My guess is that he was banged up early (eye test), slow start, injures lingered/got worse, surgery ends the season for him, the club was playing well without his contribution and presence, and he got a little pissy...it happens.
Disclosure: I was around Winker a little bit when he was 17, at USA Baseball trials, and he's a different cat, to be sure... -
Touches on the same stuff Divish hinted at and what I assumed. He doesn't fit in. Playing poorly or sitting out while constantly calling attention to yourself never helps in that regard.Fishpo31 said:I caught some of R.R Aussie-Hyphen on the radio. What he said made sense, if it actually happened that way. Said Winker is the class-clown, and when it's going well, everyone laughs. When it isn't, they get pissed. Also talked about the dark side of being injured, not being able to perform at a high level, contribute, and dealing with individual stuff in a team setting.
My guess is that he was banged up early (eye test), slow start, injures lingered/got worse, surgery ends the season for him, the club was playing well without his contribution and presence, and he got a little pissy...it happens.
Disclosure: I was around Winker a little bit when he was 17, at USA Baseball trials, and he's a different cat, to be sure... -
Yes. When you play well, nobody cares if you are "a little quirky", or even a dick. When you don't play well, it becomes magnified.
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Fishpo31 said:
Yes. When you play well, nobody cares if you are "a little quirky", or even a dick. When you don't play well, it becomes magnified.
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Will BA's naturally just go up because of the new shift rules going in? Seems like they would, and a real opportunity for the nerds to find out which guys were most impacted negatively by the shift and go try to snatch up those cheap contracts.
The counter to that I guess is will batters be negatively impacted by seeing the shortstop sprinting towards right field once the pitch is in the air? Seems like that is possible. -
Yep seems like this will be an issue and one that is almost impossible to predict. Somebody in Tampa is trying to develop an algorithm for it right now though assuredly. Going to be a really chinteresting adjustment year.Bob_C said:Will BA's naturally just go up because of the new shift rules going in? Seems like they would, and a real opportunity for the nerds to find out which guys were most impacted negatively by the shift and go try to snatch up those cheap contracts.
The counter to that I guess is will batters be negatively impacted by seeing the shortstop sprinting towards right field once the pitch is in the air? Seems like that is possible. -
They had to make the playoffs this year and did. Then they even won a playoff series.
It's not a natty but it might just be the 1989 Freedom Bowel.
I'm as optimistic as a fan who has lived through 30 some years of Mariner failure can be.
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Anyone watching can see they've built a contender that can go toe to toe with anyone. The question is whether it takes another step or not, and a yes answer seems to bee in the cards. Good tims.dnc said:They had to make the playoffs this year and did. Then they even won a playoff series.
It's not a natty but it might just be the 1989 Freedom Bowel.
I'm as optimistic as a fan who has lived through 30 some years of Mariner failure can be.
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Reminds me of a convo with an old departed scout when I was breaking in. The question: Arms or bats? His reply…”Arms. You trade young arms for the fucking bats”. “We” are getting there…
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It sounds like there are three more guys in the system about ready to come up to MLB. Hancock has the name recognition and the stuff to be a good trade piece. I'd be fine with them moving him only because I don't think his arm will hold up long term.Fishpo31 said:Reminds me of a convo with an old departed scout when I was breaking in. The question: Arms or bats? His reply…”Arms. You trade young arms for the fucking bats”. “We” are getting there…
Flexen is good trade bait. I wish Marco was but the future numbers in his contract look ugly to me. I need to see that again. -
I have no issue with Marco as the 5th starter going forward. He's a former #1starter, a different look than Ray from the left side, and is a competitor and leader. He does well with what he has…that’s a 5th starter. Flex for a bat…
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There's typically a sense that even a dominant staff should accept one soft tosser who "eats innings" and generally keeps you in the game if you're scoring.Fishpo31 said:I have no issue with Marco as the 5th starter going forward. He's a former #1starter, a different look than Ray from the left side, and is a competitor and leader. He does well with what he has…that’s a 5th starter. Flex for a bat…
I dont subscribe. He's going to be badly overpaid in the near future and is no better than average at anything. I'd dump him with a smile if he wasn't a key guy in the club house and if they weren't tied to him by a questionable contract.
The 5th spot should be where you let your young guys ready to move up make some mlb starts IMO. Of course nothing ever works according to that plan due to injuries or unexpectedly good or bad showings by individuals. -
Being a Mariners fan isn't for sermon seekersdnc said:They had to make the playoffs this year and did. Then they even won a playoff series.
It's not a natty but it might just be the 1989 Freedom Bowel.
I'm as optimistic as a fan who has lived through 30 some years of Mariner failure can be.
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i liked what I saw from Flexen during the year, more so than marco.
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It is all cause/effect. Launch angle was the counter when everybody started to shift, (if you can't hit it through them, hit it over them) and K numbers started climbing accordingly. The high,"chase" FB becomes a thing to counter it. Defensive positioning adjusts; hitters adjust; pitchers adjust.Bob_C said:Will BA's naturally just go up because of the new shift rules going in? Seems like they would, and a real opportunity for the nerds to find out which guys were most impacted negatively by the shift and go try to snatch up those cheap contracts.
The counter to that I guess is will batters be negatively impacted by seeing the shortstop sprinting towards right field once the pitch is in the air? Seems like that is possible.
It will take a while to make the correction, and it may not be as dramatic as we might think. A lot of guys are making big$$ hitting .220 with 30 jacks and 200 Ks. You will still see shifts, and holes to hit through, but without the Rover...
One thing that is still in play is the different, uncomfortable angles that guys are put in to turn a double-play.
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Isn't MLB about to ban the shift defense? Get rid of that shit, just like you can't actually play zone in the NBA. It ruins the product.Fishpo31 said:
It is all cause/effect. Launch angle was the counter when everybody started to shift, (if you can't hit it through them, hit it over them) and K numbers started climbing accordingly. The high,"chase" FB becomes a thing to counter it. Defensive positioning adjusts; hitters adjust; pitchers adjust.Bob_C said:Will BA's naturally just go up because of the new shift rules going in? Seems like they would, and a real opportunity for the nerds to find out which guys were most impacted negatively by the shift and go try to snatch up those cheap contracts.
The counter to that I guess is will batters be negatively impacted by seeing the shortstop sprinting towards right field once the pitch is in the air? Seems like that is possible.
It will take a while to make the correction, and it may not be as dramatic as we might think. A lot of guys are making big$$ hitting .220 with 30 jacks and 200 Ks. You will still see shifts, and holes to hit through, but without the Rover...
One thing that is still in play is the different, uncomfortable angles that guys are put in to turn a double-play. -
Yes. Two infielders on each side of the bag, feet on the dirt…BleachedAnusDawg said:
Isn't MLB about to ban the shift defense? Get rid of that shit, just like you can't actually play zone in the NBA. It ruins the product.Fishpo31 said:
It is all cause/effect. Launch angle was the counter when everybody started to shift, (if you can't hit it through them, hit it over them) and K numbers started climbing accordingly. The high,"chase" FB becomes a thing to counter it. Defensive positioning adjusts; hitters adjust; pitchers adjust.Bob_C said:Will BA's naturally just go up because of the new shift rules going in? Seems like they would, and a real opportunity for the nerds to find out which guys were most impacted negatively by the shift and go try to snatch up those cheap contracts.
The counter to that I guess is will batters be negatively impacted by seeing the shortstop sprinting towards right field once the pitch is in the air? Seems like that is possible.
It will take a while to make the correction, and it may not be as dramatic as we might think. A lot of guys are making big$$ hitting .220 with 30 jacks and 200 Ks. You will still see shifts, and holes to hit through, but without the Rover...
One thing that is still in play is the different, uncomfortable angles that guys are put in to turn a double-play.
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But they can move once the pitch is in the air.Fishpo31 said:
Yes. Two infielders on each side of the bag, feet on the dirt…BleachedAnusDawg said:
Isn't MLB about to ban the shift defense? Get rid of that shit, just like you can't actually play zone in the NBA. It ruins the product.Fishpo31 said:
It is all cause/effect. Launch angle was the counter when everybody started to shift, (if you can't hit it through them, hit it over them) and K numbers started climbing accordingly. The high,"chase" FB becomes a thing to counter it. Defensive positioning adjusts; hitters adjust; pitchers adjust.Bob_C said:Will BA's naturally just go up because of the new shift rules going in? Seems like they would, and a real opportunity for the nerds to find out which guys were most impacted negatively by the shift and go try to snatch up those cheap contracts.
The counter to that I guess is will batters be negatively impacted by seeing the shortstop sprinting towards right field once the pitch is in the air? Seems like that is possible.
It will take a while to make the correction, and it may not be as dramatic as we might think. A lot of guys are making big$$ hitting .220 with 30 jacks and 200 Ks. You will still see shifts, and holes to hit through, but without the Rover...
One thing that is still in play is the different, uncomfortable angles that guys are put in to turn a double-play. -
Yes they can, but the elapsed time for out-of-hand to hitting zone is roughly .425 seconds, at 95mph…Bob_C said:
But they can move once the pitch is in the air.Fishpo31 said:
Yes. Two infielders on each side of the bag, feet on the dirt…BleachedAnusDawg said:
Isn't MLB about to ban the shift defense? Get rid of that shit, just like you can't actually play zone in the NBA. It ruins the product.Fishpo31 said:
It is all cause/effect. Launch angle was the counter when everybody started to shift, (if you can't hit it through them, hit it over them) and K numbers started climbing accordingly. The high,"chase" FB becomes a thing to counter it. Defensive positioning adjusts; hitters adjust; pitchers adjust.Bob_C said:Will BA's naturally just go up because of the new shift rules going in? Seems like they would, and a real opportunity for the nerds to find out which guys were most impacted negatively by the shift and go try to snatch up those cheap contracts.
The counter to that I guess is will batters be negatively impacted by seeing the shortstop sprinting towards right field once the pitch is in the air? Seems like that is possible.
It will take a while to make the correction, and it may not be as dramatic as we might think. A lot of guys are making big$$ hitting .220 with 30 jacks and 200 Ks. You will still see shifts, and holes to hit through, but without the Rover...
One thing that is still in play is the different, uncomfortable angles that guys are put in to turn a double-play.
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There will be shifting, but not as radical. Straight-up positioning is roughly 15 feet over, 15 feet deep for middle INF, for corners a step and a dive from the lines. I think we will see the off-side MIF play as far to the pull side as he can, on the "side of origin", per new rule. When one shifts, the corner guy must go with him, so for a LH hitter, the SS will be just to the left side of the bag (as viewed from the plate), and the 3B moving to the 6.5 hole.
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As a college coach, the info is limited, the skill is limited, as is the execution. For the last 15-20 years, I have my guys play to the pull side in the infield, and the off side in the OF. This covers the gaps spacing-wise, so balls don't roll all the way to the wall...
