A Q for the bored re: DeBoner?
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Dont think it wouldve mattered much.TheHB said:
I do wonder how things might have looked differently if Spartacus had its best player. I think the passing game could have been a bigger threat from the beginning. Especially with UW’s god awful pass D.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
We beat a team that won an NY6 and returned everyoneFire_Marshall_Bill said:We beat a 6-6 Big Ten team! We're going 10-2!! 🙄
Michigan State was rattled and not prepared to play in a hostile environment at all
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Also beat a team with a historically bad secondary that might have a worse pass defense than Kent State. They cant run the ball and rely on a basketball player to bail out their shitty QB.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
We beat a team that won an NY6 and returned everyoneFire_Marshall_Bill said:We beat a 6-6 Big Ten team! We're going 10-2!! 🙄
MSU is clearly not that good, even if beating them with relative ease was good.
They are closer to a 6-6 team than they are to a NY6 team this year. -
What I say sure gives you menstrual cramps. Take a midol Sally.RoadDawg55 said:
So I should write you down for 6-6?MikeDamone said:
It was. Fuckwad. Still is if we get a broken PenixRoadDawg55 said:
I knew you would not make a prediction. You said last week 5-7 was a real possibility.MikeDamone said:
That’s what I thought you’d say. Dumbfuck.RoadDawg55 said:
🥱🥱🥱🥱MikeDamone said:
I didn’t predict 5 wins you dumb fucking cunt. I said it wasn’t outside the realm of possibilities and many here are saying if. Penix goes down it’s possible. Fuck off and fuck you. Learn to read you imbecile.RoadDawg55 said:
Nobody but you thinks 5 wins. Don’t use your own prediction for others. Your shtick sucks and is boring. Make a predicton. Queef something out of that cunt. Bring something other than “Deboer has Penix!”MikeDamone said:
So you're a 10 win guy. Of course if Penix gets hurt walking to class this week it's 5 wins. But still. You're 10 wins has losses at UCLA and either Oregon or WSU. Correct?Doogles said:
I think this is a 9-10 win team. I'm no Nostradamus, but I see us dropping one of the NW games and @UCLA.MikeDamone said:
The consensus here seems to be 8-9 wins. Who are the 3-4 losses to?Doogles said:We're not losing to Stanford, take the screenshots.
LA problems aside, more man coverage and aggression in the front 7 did allow MSUs QB to get chunks on the ground during breakdowns. My fear is 7th year DTR might have a career day carving us up on scrambles out of the pocket. We survive that, 10 wins for sure.
Lots of talk here about “we are screwed if Penix goes down” and “the season goes as does Penix”. That didn’t come from me you dumb ass. It’s all over the board.
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Sounds like we should LIFPOHouhusky said:
Also beat a team with a historically bad secondary that might have a worse pass defense than Kent State. They cant run the ball and rely on a basketball player to bail out their shitty QB.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
We beat a team that won an NY6 and returned everyoneFire_Marshall_Bill said:We beat a 6-6 Big Ten team! We're going 10-2!! 🙄
MSU is clearly not that good, even if beating them with relative ease was good.
They are closer to a 6-6 team than they are to a NY6 team this year. -
Owen is a possibility and nearly as likely as 5-7. Assuming we forfeit the 3 wins so far. It has happened before.MikeDamone said:
It was. Fuckwad. Still is if we get a broken PenixRoadDawg55 said:
I knew you would not make a prediction. You said last week 5-7 was a real possibility.MikeDamone said:
That’s what I thought you’d say. Dumbfuck.RoadDawg55 said:
🥱🥱🥱🥱MikeDamone said:
I didn’t predict 5 wins you dumb fucking cunt. I said it wasn’t outside the realm of possibilities and many here are saying if. Penix goes down it’s possible. Fuck off and fuck you. Learn to read you imbecile.RoadDawg55 said:
Nobody but you thinks 5 wins. Don’t use your own prediction for others. Your shtick sucks and is boring. Make a predicton. Queef something out of that cunt. Bring something other than “Deboer has Penix!”MikeDamone said:
So you're a 10 win guy. Of course if Penix gets hurt walking to class this week it's 5 wins. But still. You're 10 wins has losses at UCLA and either Oregon or WSU. Correct?Doogles said:
I think this is a 9-10 win team. I'm no Nostradamus, but I see us dropping one of the NW games and @UCLA.MikeDamone said:
The consensus here seems to be 8-9 wins. Who are the 3-4 losses to?Doogles said:We're not losing to Stanford, take the screenshots.
LA problems aside, more man coverage and aggression in the front 7 did allow MSUs QB to get chunks on the ground during breakdowns. My fear is 7th year DTR might have a career day carving us up on scrambles out of the pocket. We survive that, 10 wins for sure.
Lots of talk here about “we are screwed if Penix goes down” and “the season goes as does Penix”. That didn’t come from me you dumb ass. It’s all over the board.
EMFA
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Just wait until we lose to Beavis for the north.LawDawg1 said:Winning really gets this site back to form. Let’s keep doing it!
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Jack Hainier was a PortalbackMelloDawg said:
This season is all Penix. When DeBoer recruits and builds with a QB not from the portal, you may then crown him.
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some of the comments in here are delusional. The success of this team is completely tied to one player more than any UW team the past 20 years+ (since Tuiasosopo). There's dooging and then there's smoking crackrock.
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Careful. You're going to make Road55 and BTP have break through bleeding.gmo said:some of the comments in here are delusional. The success of this team is completely tied to one player more than any UW team the past 20 years+ (since Tuiasosopo). There's dooging and then there's smoking crackrock.
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You new to college football? Even Bama has known for ten years now that you need a Heisman candidate QB to contend for anything worth a shit. We (maybe) finally get one after years of flame-outs and now the response is to shit yourself and yell about it being uNsUsTaInAbLe?gmo said:some of the comments in here are delusional. The success of this team is completely tied to one player more than any UW team the past 20 years+ (since Tuiasosopo). There's dooging and then there's smoking crackrock.
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If you believe in Deboer you shouldn't think TSIO if Penix goes down. This team can still beat everyone on the schedule with a backup but would probably mean an extra loss somewhere realistically
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No. Are you?GreenRiverGatorz said:
You new to college football? Even Bama has known for ten years now that you need a Heisman candidate QB to contend for anything worth a shit. We (maybe) finally get one after years of flame-outs and now the response is to shit yourself and yell about it being uNsUsTaInAbLe?gmo said:some of the comments in here are delusional. The success of this team is completely tied to one player more than any UW team the past 20 years+ (since Tuiasosopo). There's dooging and then there's smoking crackrock.
Okay
There is a pretty big difference from contending for a national title and the team completely falling apart and losing to just about everyone.
Care to refute my statement how this team is more reliant on one player than any UW team since 2001? It is not an indictment on anyone, just a reality (IMO). Not exactly sure why that statement makes you hostile, but Okay. -
We have the best QB since Tui, so we're the most reliant on our QB since Tui. Hard hitting stuff.gmo said:
No. Are you?GreenRiverGatorz said:
You new to college football? Even Bama has known for ten years now that you need a Heisman candidate QB to contend for anything worth a shit. We (maybe) finally get one after years of flame-outs and now the response is to shit yourself and yell about it being uNsUsTaInAbLe?gmo said:some of the comments in here are delusional. The success of this team is completely tied to one player more than any UW team the past 20 years+ (since Tuiasosopo). There's dooging and then there's smoking crackrock.
Okay
There is a pretty big difference from contending for a national title and the team completely falling apart and losing to just about everyone.
Care to refute my statement how this team is more reliant on one player than any UW team since 2001? It is not an indictment on anyone, just a reality (IMO). Not exactly sure why that statement makes you hostile, but Okay. -
we'll see buddydnc said:
That's not a 6-6 team.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:We beat a 6-6 Big Ten team! We're going 10-2!! 🙄
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Good one. You seem like the upset one in the thread. You are often upset.MikeDamone said:
What I say sure gives you menstrual cramps. Take a midol Sally.RoadDawg55 said:
So I should write you down for 6-6?MikeDamone said:
It was. Fuckwad. Still is if we get a broken PenixRoadDawg55 said:
I knew you would not make a prediction. You said last week 5-7 was a real possibility.MikeDamone said:
That’s what I thought you’d say. Dumbfuck.RoadDawg55 said:
🥱🥱🥱🥱MikeDamone said:
I didn’t predict 5 wins you dumb fucking cunt. I said it wasn’t outside the realm of possibilities and many here are saying if. Penix goes down it’s possible. Fuck off and fuck you. Learn to read you imbecile.RoadDawg55 said:
Nobody but you thinks 5 wins. Don’t use your own prediction for others. Your shtick sucks and is boring. Make a predicton. Queef something out of that cunt. Bring something other than “Deboer has Penix!”MikeDamone said:
So you're a 10 win guy. Of course if Penix gets hurt walking to class this week it's 5 wins. But still. You're 10 wins has losses at UCLA and either Oregon or WSU. Correct?Doogles said:
I think this is a 9-10 win team. I'm no Nostradamus, but I see us dropping one of the NW games and @UCLA.MikeDamone said:
The consensus here seems to be 8-9 wins. Who are the 3-4 losses to?Doogles said:We're not losing to Stanford, take the screenshots.
LA problems aside, more man coverage and aggression in the front 7 did allow MSUs QB to get chunks on the ground during breakdowns. My fear is 7th year DTR might have a career day carving us up on scrambles out of the pocket. We survive that, 10 wins for sure.
Lots of talk here about “we are screwed if Penix goes down” and “the season goes as does Penix”. That didn’t come from me you dumb ass. It’s all over the board.
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wait you mean the QB is the most important player on the field? Thanks for the insight grandpa!gmo said:some of the comments in here are delusional. The success of this team is completely tied to one player more than any UW team the past 20 years+ (since Tuiasosopo). There's dooging and then there's smoking crackrock.
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This team was 3-3 before they quit last year. With Jimmy. With Donovan. With Gregory. With Morris as a starter. If Penix goes down tomorrow the Huskies probably go 6-3 or 5-4. ASU and Colorado are awful. WSU and OSU are much less talented than UW. Bay Area schools would be a toss up and UCLA and Oregon would be tall orders. These are good coaches. These kids are bought in. We probably don’t play for the conference title but we certainly don’t fall off a cliff. 10-2 with a healthy Penix and 9-3 or 8-4 without him. This conference is twash. Remember that.
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Adding to this, any team outside the top four nationally is at least two games worse for losing a starting QB. Most, not UW IMHO, are much worse than that. USC and UW (scheme), UCLA (Garbers) and maybe Utah (culture) are probably the only three teams that could withstand a QB loss without absolutely cratering in the P12.theknowledge said:This team was 3-3 before they quit last year. With Jimmy. With Donovan. With Gregory. With Morris as a starter. If Penix goes down tomorrow the Huskies probably go 6-3 or 5-4. ASU and Colorado are awful. WSU and OSU are much less talented than UW. Bay Area schools would be a toss up and UCLA and Oregon would be tall orders. These are good coaches. These kids are bought in. We probably don’t play for the conference title but we certainly don’t fall off a cliff. 10-2 with a healthy Penix and 9-3 or 8-4 without him. This conference is twash. Remember that.
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I'd say the main factor is how dependent the offense is on its QB and its defense.theknowledge said:
Adding to this, any team outside the top four nationally is at least two games worse for losing a starting QB. Most, not UW IMHO, are much worse than that. USC and UW (scheme), UCLA (Garbers) and maybe Utah (culture) are probably the only three teams that could withstand a QB loss without absolutely cratering in the P12.theknowledge said:This team was 3-3 before they quit last year. With Jimmy. With Donovan. With Gregory. With Morris as a starter. If Penix goes down tomorrow the Huskies probably go 6-3 or 5-4. ASU and Colorado are awful. WSU and OSU are much less talented than UW. Bay Area schools would be a toss up and UCLA and Oregon would be tall orders. These are good coaches. These kids are bought in. We probably don’t play for the conference title but we certainly don’t fall off a cliff. 10-2 with a healthy Penix and 9-3 or 8-4 without him. This conference is twash. Remember that.
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Michael Penix completed 53.7 percent of his passes last year for 5.8 yards a pass with 4 TD and 7 INTs.gmo said:
No. Are you?GreenRiverGatorz said:
You new to college football? Even Bama has known for ten years now that you need a Heisman candidate QB to contend for anything worth a shit. We (maybe) finally get one after years of flame-outs and now the response is to shit yourself and yell about it being uNsUsTaInAbLe?gmo said:some of the comments in here are delusional. The success of this team is completely tied to one player more than any UW team the past 20 years+ (since Tuiasosopo). There's dooging and then there's smoking crackrock.
Okay
There is a pretty big difference from contending for a national title and the team completely falling apart and losing to just about everyone.
Care to refute my statement how this team is more reliant on one player than any UW team since 2001? It is not an indictment on anyone, just a reality (IMO). Not exactly sure why that statement makes you hostile, but Okay.
I love the guy and I'm thrilled he's here but you aren't giving the scheme, position coaching or talent around him nearly enough credit. -
This would be a good spot for Race to post the gif of Haener, pre Deboer, who somehow became one of the most coveted portal QBs in the country, and also a very serviceable QB.dnc said:
Michael Penix completed 53.7 percent of his passes last year for 5.8 yards a pass with 4 TD and 7 INTs.gmo said:
No. Are you?GreenRiverGatorz said:
You new to college football? Even Bama has known for ten years now that you need a Heisman candidate QB to contend for anything worth a shit. We (maybe) finally get one after years of flame-outs and now the response is to shit yourself and yell about it being uNsUsTaInAbLe?gmo said:some of the comments in here are delusional. The success of this team is completely tied to one player more than any UW team the past 20 years+ (since Tuiasosopo). There's dooging and then there's smoking crackrock.
Okay
There is a pretty big difference from contending for a national title and the team completely falling apart and losing to just about everyone.
Care to refute my statement how this team is more reliant on one player than any UW team since 2001? It is not an indictment on anyone, just a reality (IMO). Not exactly sure why that statement makes you hostile, but Okay.
I love the guy and I'm thrilled he's here but you aren't giving the scheme, position coaching or talent around him nearly enough credit.
I'm going to believe until I don't, that while Penix is obviously better than Huard and Morris, neither of them are considerably worse than Haener. I'm hard for Deboner. -
I don't recall a Husky scheme that worked in years
Usually a bunch of motion and shifts leads to false starts
Disciplined and it gets guys open
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It's amazing how many shifts and motions they did against MSU and all without a false start, illegal formation, or illegal shift.RaceBannon said:I don't recall a Husky scheme that worked in years
Usually a bunch of motion and shifts leads to false starts
Disciplined and it gets guys open
Doog it up
Perhaps the most impressive was how the players communicated with each other. I remember after 1 shift, McMillan told Davis to back off the LOS so that he'd be eligible. Never really seen a WR look out at a formation after a shift before -
Sounds like everyone is buying in!
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This all does matter, for sure. I just happen to think it isn't nearly enough if UW's #2 QB has to come in. I am as excited by the coaching as I am Penix. I think both are better than we have had in a lot of years. I also happen to think there are serious holes on this team that would be near impossible to overcome with a backup QB.dnc said:
Michael Penix completed 53.7 percent of his passes last year for 5.8 yards a pass with 4 TD and 7 INTs.gmo said:
No. Are you?GreenRiverGatorz said:
You new to college football? Even Bama has known for ten years now that you need a Heisman candidate QB to contend for anything worth a shit. We (maybe) finally get one after years of flame-outs and now the response is to shit yourself and yell about it being uNsUsTaInAbLe?gmo said:some of the comments in here are delusional. The success of this team is completely tied to one player more than any UW team the past 20 years+ (since Tuiasosopo). There's dooging and then there's smoking crackrock.
Okay
There is a pretty big difference from contending for a national title and the team completely falling apart and losing to just about everyone.
Care to refute my statement how this team is more reliant on one player than any UW team since 2001? It is not an indictment on anyone, just a reality (IMO). Not exactly sure why that statement makes you hostile, but Okay.
I love the guy and I'm thrilled he's here but you aren't giving the scheme, position coaching or talent around him nearly enough credit. -
That's fair. My enthusiasm for the year would certainly wain some if Penix gets hurt. I think they win 8 with any of the QBs but probably only double digits with Penix.gmo said:
This all does matter, for sure. I just happen to think it isn't nearly enough if UW's #2 QB has to come in. I am as excited by the coaching as I am Penix. I think both are better than we have had in a lot of years. I also happen to think there are serious holes on this team that would be near impossible to overcome with a backup QB.dnc said:
Michael Penix completed 53.7 percent of his passes last year for 5.8 yards a pass with 4 TD and 7 INTs.gmo said:
No. Are you?GreenRiverGatorz said:
You new to college football? Even Bama has known for ten years now that you need a Heisman candidate QB to contend for anything worth a shit. We (maybe) finally get one after years of flame-outs and now the response is to shit yourself and yell about it being uNsUsTaInAbLe?gmo said:some of the comments in here are delusional. The success of this team is completely tied to one player more than any UW team the past 20 years+ (since Tuiasosopo). There's dooging and then there's smoking crackrock.
Okay
There is a pretty big difference from contending for a national title and the team completely falling apart and losing to just about everyone.
Care to refute my statement how this team is more reliant on one player than any UW team since 2001? It is not an indictment on anyone, just a reality (IMO). Not exactly sure why that statement makes you hostile, but Okay.
I love the guy and I'm thrilled he's here but you aren't giving the scheme, position coaching or talent around him nearly enough credit.
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It's hard to pick UW in a couple of games with a backup QB. It doesn't mean the backup couldn't surprise us.gmo said:
This all does matter, for sure. I just happen to think it isn't nearly enough if UW's #2 QB has to come in. I am as excited by the coaching as I am Penix. I think both are better than we have had in a lot of years. I also happen to think there are serious holes on this team that would be near impossible to overcome with a backup QB.dnc said:
Michael Penix completed 53.7 percent of his passes last year for 5.8 yards a pass with 4 TD and 7 INTs.gmo said:
No. Are you?GreenRiverGatorz said:
You new to college football? Even Bama has known for ten years now that you need a Heisman candidate QB to contend for anything worth a shit. We (maybe) finally get one after years of flame-outs and now the response is to shit yourself and yell about it being uNsUsTaInAbLe?gmo said:some of the comments in here are delusional. The success of this team is completely tied to one player more than any UW team the past 20 years+ (since Tuiasosopo). There's dooging and then there's smoking crackrock.
Okay
There is a pretty big difference from contending for a national title and the team completely falling apart and losing to just about everyone.
Care to refute my statement how this team is more reliant on one player than any UW team since 2001? It is not an indictment on anyone, just a reality (IMO). Not exactly sure why that statement makes you hostile, but Okay.
I love the guy and I'm thrilled he's here but you aren't giving the scheme, position coaching or talent around him nearly enough credit.
If Penix went limp prior to next game and didn't play again, I'd still expect UW to take care of business to the tune of 8 wins or so. The easy wins on the schedule should still be easy. -
This. Morris in this offense should be good enough for 8 or 9 wins with our horrible schedulechuck said:
It's hard to pick UW in a couple of games with a backup QB. It doesn't mean the backup couldn't surprise us.gmo said:
This all does matter, for sure. I just happen to think it isn't nearly enough if UW's #2 QB has to come in. I am as excited by the coaching as I am Penix. I think both are better than we have had in a lot of years. I also happen to think there are serious holes on this team that would be near impossible to overcome with a backup QB.dnc said:
Michael Penix completed 53.7 percent of his passes last year for 5.8 yards a pass with 4 TD and 7 INTs.gmo said:
No. Are you?GreenRiverGatorz said:
You new to college football? Even Bama has known for ten years now that you need a Heisman candidate QB to contend for anything worth a shit. We (maybe) finally get one after years of flame-outs and now the response is to shit yourself and yell about it being uNsUsTaInAbLe?gmo said:some of the comments in here are delusional. The success of this team is completely tied to one player more than any UW team the past 20 years+ (since Tuiasosopo). There's dooging and then there's smoking crackrock.
Okay
There is a pretty big difference from contending for a national title and the team completely falling apart and losing to just about everyone.
Care to refute my statement how this team is more reliant on one player than any UW team since 2001? It is not an indictment on anyone, just a reality (IMO). Not exactly sure why that statement makes you hostile, but Okay.
I love the guy and I'm thrilled he's here but you aren't giving the scheme, position coaching or talent around him nearly enough credit.
If Penix went limp prior to next game and didn't play again, I'd still expect UW to take care of business to the tune of 8 wins or so. The easy wins on the schedule should still be easy.
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That I don't agree with. I don't expect him to look anything like Penix, but his game is way better suited to the offense, with nice touch and timing, than Morris's in which touch and timing aren't even part of the vocabulary.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
This. Morris in this offense should be good enough for 8 or 9 wins with our horrible schedulechuck said:
It's hard to pick UW in a couple of games with a backup QB. It doesn't mean the backup couldn't surprise us.gmo said:
This all does matter, for sure. I just happen to think it isn't nearly enough if UW's #2 QB has to come in. I am as excited by the coaching as I am Penix. I think both are better than we have had in a lot of years. I also happen to think there are serious holes on this team that would be near impossible to overcome with a backup QB.dnc said:
Michael Penix completed 53.7 percent of his passes last year for 5.8 yards a pass with 4 TD and 7 INTs.gmo said:
No. Are you?GreenRiverGatorz said:
You new to college football? Even Bama has known for ten years now that you need a Heisman candidate QB to contend for anything worth a shit. We (maybe) finally get one after years of flame-outs and now the response is to shit yourself and yell about it being uNsUsTaInAbLe?gmo said:some of the comments in here are delusional. The success of this team is completely tied to one player more than any UW team the past 20 years+ (since Tuiasosopo). There's dooging and then there's smoking crackrock.
Okay
There is a pretty big difference from contending for a national title and the team completely falling apart and losing to just about everyone.
Care to refute my statement how this team is more reliant on one player than any UW team since 2001? It is not an indictment on anyone, just a reality (IMO). Not exactly sure why that statement makes you hostile, but Okay.
I love the guy and I'm thrilled he's here but you aren't giving the scheme, position coaching or talent around him nearly enough credit.
If Penix went limp prior to next game and didn't play again, I'd still expect UW to take care of business to the tune of 8 wins or so. The easy wins on the schedule should still be easy.
Huard is a lost cause
We've seen both of their floors, and they aren't pretty. I feel like Morris has zero left to show, while it's still possible that Huard could surprise...remotely possible. -
I'm not super optimistic for either of them but I am interested to see them with actual coaching and an actual offensive scheme. I think it's too early to say either of them are a lost cause. Again, this coaching staff mad a start out of Jake Haener.chuck said:
That I don't agree with. I don't expect him to look anything like Penix, but his game is way better suited to the offense, with nice touch and timing, than Morris's in which touch and timing aren't even part of the vocabulary.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
This. Morris in this offense should be good enough for 8 or 9 wins with our horrible schedulechuck said:
It's hard to pick UW in a couple of games with a backup QB. It doesn't mean the backup couldn't surprise us.gmo said:
This all does matter, for sure. I just happen to think it isn't nearly enough if UW's #2 QB has to come in. I am as excited by the coaching as I am Penix. I think both are better than we have had in a lot of years. I also happen to think there are serious holes on this team that would be near impossible to overcome with a backup QB.dnc said:
Michael Penix completed 53.7 percent of his passes last year for 5.8 yards a pass with 4 TD and 7 INTs.gmo said:
No. Are you?GreenRiverGatorz said:
You new to college football? Even Bama has known for ten years now that you need a Heisman candidate QB to contend for anything worth a shit. We (maybe) finally get one after years of flame-outs and now the response is to shit yourself and yell about it being uNsUsTaInAbLe?gmo said:some of the comments in here are delusional. The success of this team is completely tied to one player more than any UW team the past 20 years+ (since Tuiasosopo). There's dooging and then there's smoking crackrock.
Okay
There is a pretty big difference from contending for a national title and the team completely falling apart and losing to just about everyone.
Care to refute my statement how this team is more reliant on one player than any UW team since 2001? It is not an indictment on anyone, just a reality (IMO). Not exactly sure why that statement makes you hostile, but Okay.
I love the guy and I'm thrilled he's here but you aren't giving the scheme, position coaching or talent around him nearly enough credit.
If Penix went limp prior to next game and didn't play again, I'd still expect UW to take care of business to the tune of 8 wins or so. The easy wins on the schedule should still be easy.
Huard is a lost cause
We've seen both of their floors, and they aren't pretty. I feel like Morris has zero left to show, while it's still possible that Huard could surprise...remotely possible.