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Well son of a bitch. HCQ isn’t what CNN made it out to be

MikeDamone
MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
edited September 2022 in Tug Tavern
I guess if your position is the opposite of everything trump said regardless of what it is, you might need to do some apologizing.

I remember CNN’s HCQ is a dangerous drug even though they never heard of it and it has been safely used billions of times for 70 years phase.

I’m not saying HCQ is a great covid prophylactic. So don’t twist. But at worst it does nothing and has no dangerous side effects.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-022-03841-8

Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), a drug used to treat lupus and malaria, was proposed as a treatment for SARS-coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection, albeit with controversy. In vitro, HCQ effectively inhibits viral entry, but its use in the clinic has been hampered by conflicting results. A better understanding of HCQ’s mechanism of actions in vitro is needed. Recently, anesthetics were shown to disrupt ordered clusters of monosialotetrahexosylganglioside1 (GM1) lipid. These same lipid clusters recruit the SARS-CoV-2 surface receptor angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) to endocytic lipids, away from phosphatidylinositol 4,5 bisphosphate (PIP2) clusters. Here we employed super-resolution imaging of cultured mammalian cells (VeroE6, A549, H1793, and HEK293T) to show HCQ directly perturbs clustering of ACE2 receptor with both endocytic lipids and PIP2 clusters. In elevated (high) cholesterol, HCQ moves ACE2 nanoscopic distances away from endocytic lipids. In cells with resting (low) cholesterol, ACE2 primarily associates with PIP2 clusters, and HCQ moves ACE2 away from PIP2 clusters—erythromycin has a similar effect. We conclude HCQ inhibits viral entry through two distinct mechanisms in high and low tissue cholesterol and does so prior to inhibiting cathepsin-L. HCQ clinical trials and animal studies will need to account for tissue cholesterol levels when evaluating dosing and efficacy.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    It’s when you realize the pandemic was bullshit and an excuse for control

    LoneStar gets it.
  • LoneStarDawg
    LoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,793 Founders Club

    It’s when you realize the pandemic was bullshit and an excuse for control

    LoneStar gets it.
    I’ve been getting it since June 2020 when NYT insisted everyone in Texas was already dead

    Also called the vaccine would colossally fail because they don’t want this to ever end
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    It’s when you realize the pandemic was bullshit and an excuse for control

    LoneStar gets it.
    I’ve been getting it since June 2020 when NYT insisted everyone in Texas was already dead

    Also called the vaccine would colossally fail because they don’t want this to ever end
    Texans were thinking like Neanderthals
  • MelloDawg
    MelloDawg Member Posts: 6,917
    edited September 2022

    It’s when you realize the pandemic was bullshit and an excuse for control

    Ok.
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,572 Founders Club

    Bob_C said:

    That’s where I was always at. Why not try things that have proven safety records. The outrage at the attempt was the tell.

    Exactly. When they went hysterical over HCQ that was a tell. I took it several times when I went to Central America. Nothing happened and I don’t give it any thought. Then Trump mentions it and people who heard about it 15 minutes ago all of a sudden have strong opinions about it and declare it extremely dangerous. What the fuck? Same thing with “horse paste”. All political bullshit.
    The horsepaste version and the fish tank cleaner being used by people were directly caused by the prohibition on the real thing.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    It’s when you realize the pandemic was bullshit and an excuse for control

    To be fair, the pandemic wasn't bullshit. The response to it was.
  • LoneStarDawg
    LoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,793 Founders Club

    It’s when you realize the pandemic was bullshit and an excuse for control

    To be fair, the pandemic wasn't bullshit. The response to it was.
    NIH funding the research to develop the gain of function virus with specific spike protein and selling the IPR of the vaccine candidate to Moderna in early 2019 constitutes bullshit. The response being ass backwards only bolsters the bullshit.