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Dusting off the Perot playbook

RaceBannon
RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club
edited July 2022 in Tug Tavern
My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,622 Standard Supporter
    edited July 2022

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Where is Yang on open borders, the green energy scam, BLM, mask and vaccine mandates, closing schools for the chinese flu, CRT in the military and schools and LBGT∞ groomers? Yang was a medicare for everyone including illegals which really is a nice bipartisan policy.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,144
    It’s well past time for a new party, but it won’t work.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club

    It’s well past time for a new party, but it won’t work.

    The two parties make the rules for how you get on the ballot. It's hard as Pete might say.

    The third party in America is a vote splitter. I agree that our fabled two party system that only exists because the two parties act like its cut in stone is a plague on America

    How to get over it is the question

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Where is Yang on open borders, the green energy scam, BLM, mask and vaccine mandates, closing schools for the chinese flu, CRT in the military and schools and LBGT∞ groomers? Yang was a medicare for everyone including illegals which really is a nice bipartisan policy.
    Do you think that matters to the housewives? He seems nice. Like high character Joe

    Issues? Why do they matter?

  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344

    It’s well past time for a new party, but it won’t work.

    The two parties make the rules for how you get on the ballot. It's hard as Pete might say.

    The third party in America is a vote splitter. I agree that our fabled two party system that only exists because the two parties act like its cut in stone is a plague on America

    How to get over it is the question

    Follow the dem playbook in North Carolina. Keep them off the ballot, and harass anyone who signals any support for them.
  • MelloDawg
    MelloDawg Member Posts: 6,852
    edited July 2022

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Where is Yang on open borders, the green energy scam, BLM, mask and vaccine mandates, closing schools for the chinese flu, CRT in the military and schools and LBGT∞ groomers? Yang was a medicare for everyone including illegals which really is a nice bipartisan policy.
    Sounds like base red meat is on the menu tonight.
  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    MelloDawg said:

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Where is Yang on open borders, the green energy scam, BLM, mask and vaccine mandates, closing schools for the chinese flu, CRT in the military and schools and LBGT∞ groomers? Yang was a medicare for everyone including illegals which really is a nice bipartisan policy.
    Sounds like base red meat is on the menu tonight.
    Sounds like you're still retarded with nothing to add to any discussion.
  • MelloDawg
    MelloDawg Member Posts: 6,852
    hardhat said:

    MelloDawg said:

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Where is Yang on open borders, the green energy scam, BLM, mask and vaccine mandates, closing schools for the chinese flu, CRT in the military and schools and LBGT∞ groomers? Yang was a medicare for everyone including illegals which really is a nice bipartisan policy.
    Sounds like base red meat is on the menu tonight.
    Sounds like you're still retarded with nothing to add to any discussion.
    Well, I would have added more but I couldn’t hear anything over all those dog whistles.
  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    MelloDawg said:

    hardhat said:

    MelloDawg said:

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Where is Yang on open borders, the green energy scam, BLM, mask and vaccine mandates, closing schools for the chinese flu, CRT in the military and schools and LBGT∞ groomers? Yang was a medicare for everyone including illegals which really is a nice bipartisan policy.
    Sounds like base red meat is on the menu tonight.
    Sounds like you're still retarded with nothing to add to any discussion.
    Well, I would have added more but I couldn’t hear anything over all those dog whistles.
    So you're afraid of real discussion, are not aware of those issues, and call anything that gets your snatch itchy red meat. Cool!
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,622 Standard Supporter
    MelloDawg said:

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Where is Yang on open borders, the green energy scam, BLM, mask and vaccine mandates, closing schools for the chinese flu, CRT in the military and schools and LBGT∞ groomers? Yang was a medicare for everyone including illegals which really is a nice bipartisan policy.
    Sounds like base red meat is on the menu tonight.
    Seems like the big policy issues for the mello leftards are playing for the away team. Open borders, expensive dirty unreliable "green" energy, dead black kids, masks and vaccines mandates not supported by science but virtue signaling by those without virtue, blame whitey and what's wrong with groomers?
  • MelloDawg
    MelloDawg Member Posts: 6,852

    MelloDawg said:

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Where is Yang on open borders, the green energy scam, BLM, mask and vaccine mandates, closing schools for the chinese flu, CRT in the military and schools and LBGT∞ groomers? Yang was a medicare for everyone including illegals which really is a nice bipartisan policy.
    Sounds like base red meat is on the menu tonight.
    Seems like the big policy issues for the mello leftards are playing for the away team. Open borders, expensive dirty unreliable "green" energy, dead black kids, masks and vaccines mandates not supported by science but virtue signaling by those without virtue, blame whitey and what's wrong with groomers?
    I’m not sure I’d say that, but if DeSantis is your guy in 2024, I’d suggest he find a better way to phrase those issues than you did above. Also, probably avoid the “masks don’t work” platform.
  • jecornel
    jecornel Member Posts: 9,737
    Yang had promise but blew all his clout by supporting insane nonsense. He got off message and killed his momentum. He became Rogan famous and wasted it.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club
    MelloDawg said:

    MelloDawg said:

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Where is Yang on open borders, the green energy scam, BLM, mask and vaccine mandates, closing schools for the chinese flu, CRT in the military and schools and LBGT∞ groomers? Yang was a medicare for everyone including illegals which really is a nice bipartisan policy.
    Sounds like base red meat is on the menu tonight.
    Seems like the big policy issues for the mello leftards are playing for the away team. Open borders, expensive dirty unreliable "green" energy, dead black kids, masks and vaccines mandates not supported by science but virtue signaling by those without virtue, blame whitey and what's wrong with groomers?
    I’m not sure I’d say that, but if DeSantis is your guy in 2024, I’d suggest he find a better way to phrase those issues than you did above. Also, probably avoid the “masks don’t work” platform.
    When I want your opinion I'll tell you what it is
  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    MelloDawg said:

    MelloDawg said:

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Where is Yang on open borders, the green energy scam, BLM, mask and vaccine mandates, closing schools for the chinese flu, CRT in the military and schools and LBGT∞ groomers? Yang was a medicare for everyone including illegals which really is a nice bipartisan policy.
    Sounds like base red meat is on the menu tonight.
    Seems like the big policy issues for the mello leftards are playing for the away team. Open borders, expensive dirty unreliable "green" energy, dead black kids, masks and vaccines mandates not supported by science but virtue signaling by those without virtue, blame whitey and what's wrong with groomers?
    I’m not sure I’d say that, but if DeSantis is your guy in 2024, I’d suggest he find a better way to phrase those issues than you did above. Also, probably avoid the “masks don’t work” platform.
    This is a discussion about a third party, dipshit. No one mentioned DeSantis, and clearly you're a simpleton that has no idea of what green policy means, and thinks that lockdowns and mandates were just a minor inconvenience.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    MelloDawg said:

    hardhat said:

    MelloDawg said:

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Where is Yang on open borders, the green energy scam, BLM, mask and vaccine mandates, closing schools for the chinese flu, CRT in the military and schools and LBGT∞ groomers? Yang was a medicare for everyone including illegals which really is a nice bipartisan policy.
    Sounds like base red meat is on the menu tonight.
    Sounds like you're still retarded with nothing to add to any discussion.
    Well, I would have added more but I couldn’t hear anything over all those dog whistles.
    In what way are any of those statements "dog whistles" you fucking lightweight Kunt?
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,676 Standard Supporter
    We should be like Europe with 4-10 parties. These two parties are awful. It won't happen. Ross Perot tried it and the uniparty attack began. Admiral Stockdale was a dumb choice too
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,524 Founders Club

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Completely disagree. There are so many moderate Dems who feel disenfranchised but don't feel good about voting in MAGA candidates. They will be the ones to gravitate to this new party.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,524 Founders Club

    We should be like Europe with 4-10 parties. These two parties are awful. It won't happen. Ross Perot tried it and the uniparty attack began. Admiral Stockdale was a dumb choice too

    Technically we do have about ten parties.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,144
    edited July 2022

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Completely disagree. There are so many moderate Dems who feel disenfranchised but don't feel good about voting in MAGA candidates. They will be the ones to gravitate to this new party.
    This is who it will ideally cater to. Not the nutty libs and the far right. It really caters to the majority of America, but the two party system will still beat it.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,560

    Yang actually has some ideas and actually tries to execute. I give him credit for that, but I know I’ll hate him sometime soon.

    What would inflation had been with UBI?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Completely disagree. There are so many moderate Dems who feel disenfranchised but don't feel good about voting in MAGA candidates. They will be the ones to gravitate to this new party.
    This is who it will ideally cater to. Not the nutty libs and the far right. It really caters to the majority of America, but the two party system will still beat it.
    I disagree with this

    Cheap real energy that actually exists and secure borders and putting the American economy first isn't far right

    But the housewives that would vote GOP would go to Yang. They went to Biden with his far left policy

    Democrats are loyal. GOP needs perfection in a candidate
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Completely disagree. There are so many moderate Dems who feel disenfranchised but don't feel good about voting in MAGA candidates. They will be the ones to gravitate to this new party.
    This is who it will ideally cater to. Not the nutty libs and the far right. It really caters to the majority of America, but the two party system will still beat it.
    I disagree with this

    Cheap real energy that actually exists and secure borders and putting the American economy first isn't far right

    But the housewives that would vote GOP would go to Yang. They went to Biden with his far left policy

    Democrats are loyal. GOP needs perfection in a candidate
    I don’t think those things are far right.
    Because you're intelligent

    The narrative calls it ultra MAGA

    I could be wrong because on Twitter the left is mad at Yang. Maybe he will take democrat votes

    Or be gone before it matters
  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Completely disagree. There are so many moderate Dems who feel disenfranchised but don't feel good about voting in MAGA candidates. They will be the ones to gravitate to this new party.
    This is who it will ideally cater to. Not the nutty libs and the far right. It really caters to the majority of America, but the two party system will still beat it.
    I disagree with this

    Cheap real energy that actually exists and secure borders and putting the American economy first isn't far right

    But the housewives that would vote GOP would go to Yang. They went to Biden with his far left policy

    Democrats are loyal. GOP needs perfection in a candidate
    I don’t think those things are far right.
    @MelloDawg thinks they're dog whistles. lol
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,183 Founders Club

    My opinion is that this hurts the GOP and will be more likely to split their vote than the democrats who march lockstep together never looking left or right and only doing what they are told. It's how Clinton beat Bush 1 and it may be how the democrats keep the White House. A housewife safe alternative to the couple of assholes, Trump and DeSantis - which ever gets the nod

    Completely disagree. There are so many moderate Dems who feel disenfranchised but don't feel good about voting in MAGA candidates. They will be the ones to gravitate to this new party.
    This is who it will ideally cater to. Not the nutty libs and the far right. It really caters to the majority of America, but the two party system will still beat it.
    I disagree with this

    Cheap real energy that actually exists and secure borders and putting the American economy first isn't far right

    But the housewives that would vote GOP would go to Yang. They went to Biden with his far left policy

    Democrats are loyal. GOP needs perfection in a candidate
    I don’t think those things are far right.
    Because you're intelligent

    The narrative calls it ultra MAGA

    I could be wrong because on Twitter the left is mad at Yang. Maybe he will take democrat votes

    Or be gone before it matters
    California "moderates" vote for Yang. Hth.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,524 Founders Club
    Unless there's massive cheating, MAGA will pull a great deal of moderates and will win

    Yang seems like a nice guy but if you scrutinize his ideas he's actually pretty far left
  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,347 Founders Club

    Unless there's massive cheating, MAGA will pull a great deal of moderates and will win

    Yang seems like a nice guy but if you scrutinize his ideas he's actually pretty far left

    Far left and incredibly naïve. UBI is central to his “philosophy”. A predictable disaster. COVID was just used as an excuse to do a trial run on this. Give people other peoples money and suspend evictions for not paying rent. The result has been the disastrous creation of lay abouts not interested in working, a destruction among many of the desire for self reliance. There is not much mainstream about Yang. He would be an unmitigated disaster, and in my opinion more likely to draw from the left than from the center and right. Everyone is being negatively affected by the policies he supports, which has more people questioning their prior falling to the cult of personality and failing to pay attention to what candidates actually do. The left march in lockstep to the beat of his drum. Everyone else, not so much. I could be wrong but in my view Biden and the democrat party have provided an even more teachable moment than Jimmy Carter did. Competence and classical western liberal philosophy (currently described by most as conservative) matter.
  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    edited July 2022
    Come watch @MelloDouche struggle.

    Unfortunately there will never be a viable 3rd party. Americans are too entrenched at this point. The Uniparty approves.