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WestlinnDuck

Another EV benefit.

https://instapundit.com/

Recent Surge in Car-Fire Recalls Frustrates Drivers:

Sean Nemeth, the owner of a plug-in hybrid Chrysler Pacifica, was perplexed when earlier this year he received a rather surprising recall notice, advising him to park his vehicle outside and away from structures.

The notice informed him that his particular model is at risk of catching fire—even while stationary and turned off—and the cause is still unknown.

“What am I supposed to do with it then?” said Mr. Nemeth, recalling his reaction at the time. He eventually decided to park it across the street from his house in a low-traffic cul-de-sac.

His predicament has become more commonplace in recent years with the expansion of electric-vehicle sales and more car companies confronting incidents of parked cars suddenly bursting into flames, including those involving more-traditional gas-engine models such as the Ford Expedition.

As a precaution, auto makers are issuing “park outside” orders that instruct drivers to park in the open air and away from houses and structures that could be potentially damaged if a fire were to occur. In many cases, the remedy isn’t immediately available, leaving drivers to figure out what to do with the vehicle in the interim—sometimes for months.

At least 31 recall campaigns covering 3.3 million vehicles have been launched with park-outside orders in the past decade, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The majority of those—18 campaigns, or about 60%—occurred within the past two years, NHTSA’s data show.

HuskyJW

Not one person above me in this thread even owns a truck.

GTFO

I do like the looks of the new Caddy EV. My wife has already determined she's getting it. Put herself on the wait list for 2023. I like my SUV that gives me the option of eco drive, standard or sport.

JFC

Kudos to you…. You’re a stronger man than I. I would’ve put a bullet my head long ago if I were you and had your life.

Sledog

Men drive trucks. If they can they buy a fast car preferably a classic muscle car. Manly men build the car themselves.

Pitchfork51

I want to not drive at all. The sooner we move to a full grid where our cars just drive based on the destination the better.

Like I'm trying to get from a to b bro.

YouKnowIt

I want to not drive at all. The sooner we move to a full grid where our cars just drive based on the destination the better.

Like I'm trying to get from a to b bro.

And drink the whole time!

46XiJCAB

Not one person above me in this thread even owns a truck.

GTFO
I do like the looks of the new Caddy EV. My wife has already determined she's getting it. Put herself on the wait list for 2023. I like my SUV that gives me the option of eco drive, standard or sport.
JFC

Kudos to you…. You’re a stronger man than I. I would’ve put a bullet my head long ago if I were you and had your life.

What are you fucking jabbering about now?

46XiJCAB

Mayor Pete is “still astonished that some folks seem to really struggle to let go.”

He’s talking about your gas powered vehicle.

Honestly how clueless is this offspring of the Marxist living prof?

RoadTrip

Here's some claims which really hurt the EV argument. Mining at these levels cannot be good for the environment.

"Typical EV battery, Stein notes, weighs 1,000 pounds, contains 25 pounds of lithium, 60 pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds of cobalt, 200 pounds of copper and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells. "It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining," he writes. "For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth’s crust for just one battery."

PurpleThrobber

Not one person above me in this thread even owns a truck.

GTFO
I do like the looks of the new Caddy EV. My wife has already determined she's getting it. Put herself on the wait list for 2023. I like my SUV that gives me the option of eco drive, standard or sport.
JFC

Kudos to you…. You’re a stronger man than I. I would’ve put a bullet my head long ago if I were you and had your life.

Fuck off with that bullshit.

The Throbber owns THREE trucks - a Nissan Titan, a Chevy Colorado and a beat to shit old yellow Volkwagen Rabbit.

UW_Doog_Bot

I tend to think Moore's Law will ensure that EVs will eventually surpass, or at least gain parity with ICE vehicles. And I'm the guy who used to make fun of the Prius on here 5-10 years ago constantly (and still loves driving old smog spitting 8 mpg Jeeps). I've evolved on EV. Hell I want a Taycan in a few years. I think they are still a bit off the "parity" equation but gaining ground every day - now, the sunk environmental costs of the battery production will perhaps always stay a problem, but I don't know enough about the future of clean mining tech to opine one way or the other.

All that said, it seems to be the use case for hauling large loads behind a truck is one that current gen EVs are not well suited for at all. My guess is it will be quite a long time before they are. Commuter car though? Sure.gif. I read somewhere that cost parity will be achieved between EVs and ICE by like 2027. Might be fake news but does not seem unreasonable.

You know another thing that peaks my interest is the eFuel concept Porsche is working on - carbon neutral "gas." Looks promising, but nobody is under any illusions that there is no plan to make it at scale for decades, if ever.

Anyway, I am all for the EV revolution when it makes sense - I just think we need to tackle a few elephants first - bolster the grid (this is mega and is really a complete show stopper for any large scale transition to EVs right now), improve battery range, lower the cost of ownership, and make battery tech less "dirty" to build. I also think ICE should not be made to be "the enemy" during this long transition. Keep making ICE as efficient as possible while we transition slowly and methodically to EV as the tech improves. My 2 coppers that nobody cares about.

The assumption behind this, and much "renewable" energy is that the tech will take an exponential path and just needs to "get off the ground".

The reality is that much of the low hanging fruit has been handled and we are watching a logarithmic function. It's going to take more and more investment to get smaller and smaller gains.

If it was otherwise the free market would have already propelled this stuff into the atmosphere.

Savvy government officials know this and know they can continue to expand budgets, power, and influence by continuing to push the "revolution".

RaceBannon

I tend to think Moore's Law will ensure that EVs will eventually surpass, or at least gain parity with ICE vehicles. And I'm the guy who used to make fun of the Prius on here 5-10 years ago constantly (and still loves driving old smog spitting 8 mpg Jeeps). I've evolved on EV. Hell I want a Taycan in a few years. I think they are still a bit off the "parity" equation but gaining ground every day - now, the sunk environmental costs of the battery production will perhaps always stay a problem, but I don't know enough about the future of clean mining tech to opine one way or the other.

All that said, it seems to be the use case for hauling large loads behind a truck is one that current gen EVs are not well suited for at all. My guess is it will be quite a long time before they are. Commuter car though? Sure.gif. I read somewhere that cost parity will be achieved between EVs and ICE by like 2027. Might be fake news but does not seem unreasonable.

You know another thing that peaks my interest is the eFuel concept Porsche is working on - carbon neutral "gas." Looks promising, but nobody is under any illusions that there is no plan to make it at scale for decades, if ever.

Anyway, I am all for the EV revolution when it makes sense - I just think we need to tackle a few elephants first - bolster the grid (this is mega and is really a complete show stopper for any large scale transition to EVs right now), improve battery range, lower the cost of ownership, and make battery tech less "dirty" to build. I also think ICE should not be made to be "the enemy" during this long transition. Keep making ICE as efficient as possible while we transition slowly and methodically to EV as the tech improves. My 2 coppers that nobody cares about.
The assumption behind this, and much "renewable" energy is that the tech will take an exponential path and just needs to "get off the ground".

The reality is that much of the low hanging fruit has been handled and we are watching a logarithmic function. It's going to take more and more investment to get smaller and smaller gains.

If it was otherwise the free market would have already propelled this stuff into the atmosphere.

Savvy government officials know this and know they can continue to expand budgets, power, and influence by continuing to push the "revolution".

My brother