Ford lightning vs. Denali
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What kind of EV? I have a '16 model S and can get anywhere. My original 290 miles of range still gets 235 on a full charge. I have 240k miles on it and barely anything has gone wrong. Still on the original brakes due to regenerative breaking which is one of the coolest features of an EV imo. I bought mine because I used to drive 4 hours a day, I love to drive fast and it's almost paid for itself in gas savings. Yes, I took advantage of the tax incentives but before I sold my company I had paid tens of millions in taxes with little to no tax breaks contrary to public opinion.46XiJCAB said:I know of a couple that was planning a long trip in their newer EV.
After researching their route and available charging stations they realized that it was not going to work.
They didn’t want to risk getting stranded so they loaded up their reliable GAS vehicle and hit the road. -
I tend to think Moore's Law will ensure that EVs will eventually surpass, or at least gain parity with ICE vehicles. And I'm the guy who used to make fun of the Prius on here 5-10 years ago constantly (and still loves driving old smog spitting 8 mpg Jeeps). I've evolved on EV. Hell I want a Taycan in a few years. I think they are still a bit off the "parity" equation but gaining ground every day - now, the sunk environmental costs of the battery production will perhaps always stay a problem, but I don't know enough about the future of clean mining tech to opine one way or the other.
All that said, it seems to be the use case for hauling large loads behind a truck is one that current gen EVs are not well suited for at all. My guess is it will be quite a long time before they are. Commuter car though? Sure.gif. I read somewhere that cost parity will be achieved between EVs and ICE by like 2027. Might be fake news but does not seem unreasonable.
You know another thing that peaks my interest is the eFuel concept Porsche is working on - carbon neutral "gas." Looks promising, but nobody is under any illusions that there is no plan to make it at scale for decades, if ever.
Anyway, I am all for the EV revolution when it makes sense - I just think we need to tackle a few elephants first - bolster the grid (this is mega and is really a complete show stopper for any large scale transition to EVs right now), improve battery range, lower the cost of ownership, and make battery tech less "dirty" to build. I also think ICE should not be made to be "the enemy" during this long transition. Keep making ICE as efficient as possible while we transition slowly and methodically to EV as the tech improves. My 2 coppers that nobody cares about. -
Yours is a future foward opinion. I think it's inevitable some form of new propulsion technology will emerge. And driving one is fun as fuck but I'm the kind of driver which has to be in front.Swaye said:I tend to think Moore's Law will ensure that EVs will eventually surpass, or at least gain parity with ICE vehicles. And I'm the guy who used to make fun of the Prius on here 5-10 years ago constantly (and still loves driving old smog spitting 8 mpg Jeeps). I've evolved on EV. Hell I want a Taycan in a few years. I think they are still a bit off the "parity" equation but gaining ground every day - now, the sunk environmental costs of the battery production will perhaps always stay a problem, but I don't know enough about the future of clean mining tech to opine one way or the other.
All that said, it seems to be the use case for hauling large loads behind a truck is one that current gen EVs are not well suited for at all. My guess is it will be quite a long time before they are. Commuter car though? Sure.gif. I read somewhere that cost parity will be achieved between EVs and ICE by like 2027. Might be fake news but does not seem unreasonable.
You know another thing that peaks my interest is the eFuel concept Porsche is working on - carbon neutral "gas." Looks promising, but nobody is under any illusions that there is no plan to make it at scale for decades, if ever.
Anyway, I am all for the EV revolution when it makes sense - I just think we need to tackle a few elephants first - bolster the grid (this is mega and is really a complete show stopper for any large scale transition to EVs right now), improve battery range, lower the cost of ownership, and make battery tech less "dirty" to build. I also think ICE should not be made to be "the enemy" during this long transition. Keep making ICE as efficient as possible while we transition slowly and methodically to EV as the tech improves. My 2 coppers that nobody cares about. -
EV6.RoadTrip said:
What kind of EV? I have a '16 model S and can get anywhere. My original 290 miles of range still gets 235 on a full charge. I have 240k miles on it and barely anything has gone wrong. Still on the original brakes due to regenerative breaking which is one of the coolest features of an EV imo. I bought mine because I used to drive 4 hours a day, I love to drive fast and it's almost paid for itself in gas savings. Yes, I took advantage of the tax incentives but before I sold my company I had paid tens of millions in taxes with little to no tax breaks contrary to public opinion.46XiJCAB said:I know of a couple that was planning a long trip in their newer EV.
After researching their route and available charging stations they realized that it was not going to work.
They didn’t want to risk getting stranded so they loaded up their reliable GAS vehicle and hit the road. -
None of this scales nor is it green nor does it save energy. But still if you want to dabble around with an EV knock yourself out. The government didn't have to build gas stations and they don't need to build charging stations either. That's on the market
Oh and then this
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Just pay the freight and a recycling charge and ship them to the chicoms who will then dump them in the ocean. Feel good virtue signaling for leftard Americans and some nice change for the chicoms.RaceBannon said:None of this scales nor is it green nor does it save energy. But still if you want to dabble around with an EV knock yourself out. The government didn't have to build gas stations and they don't need to build charging stations either. That's on the market
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When the EV hits the charging what is powering the charging station? Someone walk me through it? I’m quite curious.
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couldn't resist this meme
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I do like the looks of the new Caddy EV. My wife has already determined she's getting it. Put herself on the wait list for 2023. I like my SUV that gives me the option of eco drive, standard or sport.
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Just install solar panels to power the home charger. Go green!!! Or maybe you can instal a windmill to charge the caddy.
46XiJCAB said:I do like the looks of the new Caddy EV. My wife has already determined she's getting it. Put herself on the wait list for 2023. I like my SUV that gives me the option of eco drive, standard or sport.
