Ford lightning vs. Denali
https://youtu.be/-e55Vued028Comments
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Yep. EV is clearly the future if you believe in unicorns.jecornel said:
https://ace.mu.nu/
Electric vs Gas-Powered Pickup Towing Competition Goes Very Poorly for the EV
Journalists Tow Camper Behind Electric Truck, End in Stunning Failure When They Only Make it 85 Miles
A fully-charged, electric Ford F150 and a fueled-up GMC Denali V-8 towing identical 25-foot trailers headed out from Longmont, CO with the intent to drive 147 miles to Pueblo, where the Ford could recharge at a fast-charging station.
The electric Ford’s estimated range was 160 miles. It quickly became clear that Pueblo was unreachable, so plans were changed, and a fast-charging station in Colorado Springs was the new objective. It soon became clear that even Colorado Springs was unreachable.
With low battery warnings blazing, and power automatically reduced to 90 percent, the electric truck, with 9 percent left on its battery, hobbled into a Target parking lot in Castle Rock.
But that caused another problem. Battery chargers tend to be lined in rows on the edge of parking lots. Because they do not provide a drive-through like a traditional gas pump, they cannot accommodate a vehicle with a trailer.
As a result, the F150 test vehicle and trailer were blocking a major portion of Target’s parking lot.
So how did the gas-powered truck do?
Its computer showed 129 miles of remaining range, so that driver had enough range to return to their starting point in Longmont.
I’m not sure whom I’m more afraid of – those credulous enough to believe that EVs can replace gas-powered vehicles, or the elites who know the limitations of EVs yet still intend to push forward in outlawing gas-powered vehicles. -
EVs of course have their pros and cons, but to draw any sort of broad conclusion from this is just silly.
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Really? You have a massively expensive EV truck with a very short range and provides no real CO2 emission relief and is supported by huge federal and state tax incentives that is easily outperformed by an ICE that is subject to fed and state penalties. And you can't draw any broad conclusions?Sources said:EVs of course have their pros and cons, but to draw any sort of broad conclusion from this is just silly.
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I was thinking more technologically, which seems to be the point of the video, not subsidies and emissions. Do you really think it's the right time to definitively conclude that EV technology is inferior despite being essentially 100 years behind ICE development?WestlinnDuck said:
Really? You have a massively expensive EV truck with a very short range and provides no real CO2 emission relief and is supported by huge federal and state tax incentives that is easily outperformed by an ICE that is subject to fed and state penalties. And you can't draw any broad conclusions?Sources said:EVs of course have their pros and cons, but to draw any sort of broad conclusion from this is just silly.
Not to mention that Ford is hardly the authority on EV tech, having just jumped on the bandwagon recently. -
It's 100 years behind because it lost 100 years agoSources said:
I was thinking more technologically, which seems to be the point of the video, not subsidies and emissions. Do you really think it's the right time to definitively conclude that EV technology is inferior despite being essentially 100 years behind ICE development?WestlinnDuck said:
Really? You have a massively expensive EV truck with a very short range and provides no real CO2 emission relief and is supported by huge federal and state tax incentives that is easily outperformed by an ICE that is subject to fed and state penalties. And you can't draw any broad conclusions?Sources said:EVs of course have their pros and cons, but to draw any sort of broad conclusion from this is just silly.
Not to mention that Ford is hardly the authority on EV tech, having just jumped on the bandwagon recently.
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Let the market work. That's the broad conclusion, and right now, EVs can't compete. I have no problem if you want to virtue signal and buy an EV. I just don't want to pay for it and I don't want you to punish me economically for buying an ICE. But that's not what is happening and the left and soft minded Americans are letting it happen as we destroy are economy.Sources said:
I was thinking more technologically, which seems to be the point of the video, not subsidies and emissions. Do you really think it's the right time to definitively conclude that EV technology is inferior despite being essentially 100 years behind ICE development?WestlinnDuck said:
Really? You have a massively expensive EV truck with a very short range and provides no real CO2 emission relief and is supported by huge federal and state tax incentives that is easily outperformed by an ICE that is subject to fed and state penalties. And you can't draw any broad conclusions?Sources said:EVs of course have their pros and cons, but to draw any sort of broad conclusion from this is just silly.
Not to mention that Ford is hardly the authority on EV tech, having just jumped on the bandwagon recently. -
Not one person above me in this thread even owns a truck.
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I own a truck and I tow a10k+ trailer. You're not doing that with electric. Can't transport goods across the country either like a semi. They don't Fucking work. They don't work in fleet iteration either of there is more than one shift.
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Look at that little downvoting faggot go.
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I know of a couple that was planning a long trip in their newer EV.
After researching their route and available charging stations they realized that it was not going to work.
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What kind of EV? I have a '16 model S and can get anywhere. My original 290 miles of range still gets 235 on a full charge. I have 240k miles on it and barely anything has gone wrong. Still on the original brakes due to regenerative breaking which is one of the coolest features of an EV imo. I bought mine because I used to drive 4 hours a day, I love to drive fast and it's almost paid for itself in gas savings. Yes, I took advantage of the tax incentives but before I sold my company I had paid tens of millions in taxes with little to no tax breaks contrary to public opinion.46XiJCAB said:I know of a couple that was planning a long trip in their newer EV.
After researching their route and available charging stations they realized that it was not going to work.
They didn’t want to risk getting stranded so they loaded up their reliable GAS vehicle and hit the road. -
I tend to think Moore's Law will ensure that EVs will eventually surpass, or at least gain parity with ICE vehicles. And I'm the guy who used to make fun of the Prius on here 5-10 years ago constantly (and still loves driving old smog spitting 8 mpg Jeeps). I've evolved on EV. Hell I want a Taycan in a few years. I think they are still a bit off the "parity" equation but gaining ground every day - now, the sunk environmental costs of the battery production will perhaps always stay a problem, but I don't know enough about the future of clean mining tech to opine one way or the other.
All that said, it seems to be the use case for hauling large loads behind a truck is one that current gen EVs are not well suited for at all. My guess is it will be quite a long time before they are. Commuter car though? Sure.gif. I read somewhere that cost parity will be achieved between EVs and ICE by like 2027. Might be fake news but does not seem unreasonable.
You know another thing that peaks my interest is the eFuel concept Porsche is working on - carbon neutral "gas." Looks promising, but nobody is under any illusions that there is no plan to make it at scale for decades, if ever.
Anyway, I am all for the EV revolution when it makes sense - I just think we need to tackle a few elephants first - bolster the grid (this is mega and is really a complete show stopper for any large scale transition to EVs right now), improve battery range, lower the cost of ownership, and make battery tech less "dirty" to build. I also think ICE should not be made to be "the enemy" during this long transition. Keep making ICE as efficient as possible while we transition slowly and methodically to EV as the tech improves. My 2 coppers that nobody cares about. -
Yours is a future foward opinion. I think it's inevitable some form of new propulsion technology will emerge. And driving one is fun as fuck but I'm the kind of driver which has to be in front.Swaye said:I tend to think Moore's Law will ensure that EVs will eventually surpass, or at least gain parity with ICE vehicles. And I'm the guy who used to make fun of the Prius on here 5-10 years ago constantly (and still loves driving old smog spitting 8 mpg Jeeps). I've evolved on EV. Hell I want a Taycan in a few years. I think they are still a bit off the "parity" equation but gaining ground every day - now, the sunk environmental costs of the battery production will perhaps always stay a problem, but I don't know enough about the future of clean mining tech to opine one way or the other.
All that said, it seems to be the use case for hauling large loads behind a truck is one that current gen EVs are not well suited for at all. My guess is it will be quite a long time before they are. Commuter car though? Sure.gif. I read somewhere that cost parity will be achieved between EVs and ICE by like 2027. Might be fake news but does not seem unreasonable.
You know another thing that peaks my interest is the eFuel concept Porsche is working on - carbon neutral "gas." Looks promising, but nobody is under any illusions that there is no plan to make it at scale for decades, if ever.
Anyway, I am all for the EV revolution when it makes sense - I just think we need to tackle a few elephants first - bolster the grid (this is mega and is really a complete show stopper for any large scale transition to EVs right now), improve battery range, lower the cost of ownership, and make battery tech less "dirty" to build. I also think ICE should not be made to be "the enemy" during this long transition. Keep making ICE as efficient as possible while we transition slowly and methodically to EV as the tech improves. My 2 coppers that nobody cares about. -
EV6.RoadTrip said:
What kind of EV? I have a '16 model S and can get anywhere. My original 290 miles of range still gets 235 on a full charge. I have 240k miles on it and barely anything has gone wrong. Still on the original brakes due to regenerative breaking which is one of the coolest features of an EV imo. I bought mine because I used to drive 4 hours a day, I love to drive fast and it's almost paid for itself in gas savings. Yes, I took advantage of the tax incentives but before I sold my company I had paid tens of millions in taxes with little to no tax breaks contrary to public opinion.46XiJCAB said:I know of a couple that was planning a long trip in their newer EV.
After researching their route and available charging stations they realized that it was not going to work.
They didn’t want to risk getting stranded so they loaded up their reliable GAS vehicle and hit the road. -
None of this scales nor is it green nor does it save energy. But still if you want to dabble around with an EV knock yourself out. The government didn't have to build gas stations and they don't need to build charging stations either. That's on the market
Oh and then this
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Just pay the freight and a recycling charge and ship them to the chicoms who will then dump them in the ocean. Feel good virtue signaling for leftard Americans and some nice change for the chicoms.RaceBannon said:None of this scales nor is it green nor does it save energy. But still if you want to dabble around with an EV knock yourself out. The government didn't have to build gas stations and they don't need to build charging stations either. That's on the market
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When the EV hits the charging what is powering the charging station? Someone walk me through it? I’m quite curious.
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couldn't resist this meme
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I do like the looks of the new Caddy EV. My wife has already determined she's getting it. Put herself on the wait list for 2023. I like my SUV that gives me the option of eco drive, standard or sport.
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Just install solar panels to power the home charger. Go green!!! Or maybe you can instal a windmill to charge the caddy.
46XiJCAB said:I do like the looks of the new Caddy EV. My wife has already determined she's getting it. Put herself on the wait list for 2023. I like my SUV that gives me the option of eco drive, standard or sport.
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Another EV benefit.
https://instapundit.com/
Recent Surge in Car-Fire Recalls Frustrates Drivers:
Sean Nemeth, the owner of a plug-in hybrid Chrysler Pacifica, was perplexed when earlier this year he received a rather surprising recall notice, advising him to park his vehicle outside and away from structures.
The notice informed him that his particular model is at risk of catching fire—even while stationary and turned off—and the cause is still unknown.
“What am I supposed to do with it then?” said Mr. Nemeth, recalling his reaction at the time. He eventually decided to park it across the street from his house in a low-traffic cul-de-sac.
His predicament has become more commonplace in recent years with the expansion of electric-vehicle sales and more car companies confronting incidents of parked cars suddenly bursting into flames, including those involving more-traditional gas-engine models such as the Ford Expedition.
As a precaution, auto makers are issuing “park outside” orders that instruct drivers to park in the open air and away from houses and structures that could be potentially damaged if a fire were to occur. In many cases, the remedy isn’t immediately available, leaving drivers to figure out what to do with the vehicle in the interim—sometimes for months.
At least 31 recall campaigns covering 3.3 million vehicles have been launched with park-outside orders in the past decade, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The majority of those—18 campaigns, or about 60%—occurred within the past two years, NHTSA’s data show. -
Not one person above me in this thread even owns a truck.
GTFO
JFC46XiJCAB said:I do like the looks of the new Caddy EV. My wife has already determined she's getting it. Put herself on the wait list for 2023. I like my SUV that gives me the option of eco drive, standard or sport.
Kudos to you…. You’re a stronger man than I. I would’ve put a bullet my head long ago if I were you and had your life. -
Men drive trucks. If they can they buy a fast car preferably a classic muscle car. Manly men build the car themselves.
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I want to not drive at all. The sooner we move to a full grid where our cars just drive based on the destination the better.
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And drink the whole time!Pitchfork51 said:I want to not drive at all. The sooner we move to a full grid where our cars just drive based on the destination the better.
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What are you fucking jabbering about now?HuskyJW said:Not one person above me in this thread even owns a truck.
GTFO
JFC46XiJCAB said:I do like the looks of the new Caddy EV. My wife has already determined she's getting it. Put herself on the wait list for 2023. I like my SUV that gives me the option of eco drive, standard or sport.
Kudos to you…. You’re a stronger man than I. I would’ve put a bullet my head long ago if I were you and had your life. -
Mayor Pete is “still astonished that some folks seem to really struggle to let go.”
He’s talking about your gas powered vehicle.
Honestly how clueless is this offspring of the Marxist living prof? -
Here's some claims which really hurt the EV argument. Mining at these levels cannot be good for the environment.
"Typical EV battery, Stein notes, weighs 1,000 pounds, contains 25 pounds of lithium, 60 pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds of cobalt, 200 pounds of copper and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells. "It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining," he writes. "For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth’s crust for just one battery." -
Fuck off with that bullshit.HuskyJW said:Not one person above me in this thread even owns a truck.
GTFO
JFC46XiJCAB said:I do like the looks of the new Caddy EV. My wife has already determined she's getting it. Put herself on the wait list for 2023. I like my SUV that gives me the option of eco drive, standard or sport.
Kudos to you…. You’re a stronger man than I. I would’ve put a bullet my head long ago if I were you and had your life.
The Throbber owns THREE trucks - a Nissan Titan, a Chevy Colorado and a beat to shit old yellow Volkwagen Rabbit.
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The assumption behind this, and much "renewable" energy is that the tech will take an exponential path and just needs to "get off the ground".Swaye said:I tend to think Moore's Law will ensure that EVs will eventually surpass, or at least gain parity with ICE vehicles. And I'm the guy who used to make fun of the Prius on here 5-10 years ago constantly (and still loves driving old smog spitting 8 mpg Jeeps). I've evolved on EV. Hell I want a Taycan in a few years. I think they are still a bit off the "parity" equation but gaining ground every day - now, the sunk environmental costs of the battery production will perhaps always stay a problem, but I don't know enough about the future of clean mining tech to opine one way or the other.
All that said, it seems to be the use case for hauling large loads behind a truck is one that current gen EVs are not well suited for at all. My guess is it will be quite a long time before they are. Commuter car though? Sure.gif. I read somewhere that cost parity will be achieved between EVs and ICE by like 2027. Might be fake news but does not seem unreasonable.
You know another thing that peaks my interest is the eFuel concept Porsche is working on - carbon neutral "gas." Looks promising, but nobody is under any illusions that there is no plan to make it at scale for decades, if ever.
Anyway, I am all for the EV revolution when it makes sense - I just think we need to tackle a few elephants first - bolster the grid (this is mega and is really a complete show stopper for any large scale transition to EVs right now), improve battery range, lower the cost of ownership, and make battery tech less "dirty" to build. I also think ICE should not be made to be "the enemy" during this long transition. Keep making ICE as efficient as possible while we transition slowly and methodically to EV as the tech improves. My 2 coppers that nobody cares about.
The reality is that much of the low hanging fruit has been handled and we are watching a logarithmic function. It's going to take more and more investment to get smaller and smaller gains.
If it was otherwise the free market would have already propelled this stuff into the atmosphere.
Savvy government officials know this and know they can continue to expand budgets, power, and influence by continuing to push the "revolution".
