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You're fucking trash. Does that help?RaceBannon said:This forum became one sided because one side disappeared to be honest
There used to be plenty of folks here calling me trash
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FTFYRaceBannon said:This forum became one sided because one side disappeared
to befrom being honest
There used to be plenty of folks here calling me trash
I miss them -
In the 1980s my brother worked for Chevron at their Richmond refinery in the Bay area after getting his chemical engineer degree. Lived in apartment with his wife in Walnut Creek and then bought a townhouse in Benicia. Loved to catch a cheap flight into SF and visit and go into SF for a great dinner. Nothing like flying down with my girlfriend to SF on a Friday night in early 1982 (pre-Aids) with a flight full of Oregon gays.
SF was easy to walk around, car was safe and it had a great vibe. Now, I can get the same ambiance in Portland and have the same chance of my car getting stolen or broken into.
TurdBomber said:
SF was our perfect 3 or 4 day getaway for decades. Many, many great times there. I really miss it. But it honestly started going downhill, despite all the tech money, when the City gave away the farm to Twitter, IMO. I'd rather have the city dominated by gays, vs. the tech bros. The gays have far better taste.Edwin_Bambino said:
The Asian American demographic which is maybe more than a third of the city certainly isn’t. They have more voting power than in Seattle or Portland. The white democratic vote is probably 50/50 between those who would essentially be categorized as the Democratic Socialist / Progressive Sawant type liberals and those like myself who would categorize themselves as more moderate democrats at this point.TurdBomber said:
Are San Franciscans as besieged with white guilt as Seattleites or Portlanders? If so, SF is fucked, regardless.Edwin_Bambino said:
Anecdotally this is true, Chinese American highschool kid I tutored in the city and all his buddies have turned pretty MAGA.DerekJohnson said:
All joking aside, I heard a report a couple months ago how Bay Area Chinese and some Japanese and Koreans were getting political and going "MAGA" because they're disgusted by how the state/city are being run. The report focused on the Chinese saying how they usually don't like to get active politically but things have gotten way out of hand.Swaye said:All the Ultra Maga's in San Fran did this.
But it was incredibly disingenuous the way the Boudin campaign ran their recall election. Only 7 percent of San Franciscans are registered republicans, while there was some conservative outside funding this wasn’t some sinister outside take down. Trump wasn’t flying in to appoint the new DA, London Breed would get to pick a new DA.
People are sick of car break ins, sick of open air drug markets, sick of crazy homeless people running around doing whatever they want, sick of burglaries and package thefts. The Asian American community feels like they aren’t being heard.
I spent the last few years living in Polk Gulch, kind of the intersection of Pac Heights, Nob Hill, with spill over from the tenderloin. I felt like I was gaslighted with the reports that crime is down under Boudin based on what I have witnessed, and anecdotal evidence from my friends. The vast majority of shit never even gets reported. I voted to recall, all of my friends did as well, I guess according to Chesa Boudin supporters I’m no longer a Democrat but whatever.
Breed no longer has a scape goat to hide behind so she better get to fixing or her political ambitions might be blown up next.
Boudin only got like 39 percent of the vote when he won, the two moderate candidates who received more than 50 percent of the vote took enough votes from each other that it allowed for Boudin to win with a minority of the votes in a ranked voting system. He decided this than give him a mandate to run with his SJW reformist agenda when really that’s not what the majority of the city was interested in. The recall is the result.
Locally the majority of people really only care about three things at this point, Homelessness, property crime, and building more housing both affordable and otherwise. There was recently a state senate vote for half of the city and the guy who ran his campaign based on those three things crushed the more progressive gay Hispanic candidate from the mission who ran on NIMBYism and anti gentrification. Guy didn’t even win the neighborhood he grew up in. -
WestlinnDuck said:
In the 1980s my brother worked for Chevron at their Richmond refinery in the Bay area after getting his chemical engineer degree. Lived in apartment with his wife in Walnut Creek and then bought a townhouse in Benicia. Loved to catch a cheap flight into SF and visit and go into SF for a great dinner. Nothing like flying down with my girlfriend to SF on a Friday night in early 1982 (pre-Aids) with a flight full of Oregon gays.
SF was easy to walk around, car was safe and it had a great vibe. Now, I can get the same ambiance in Portland and have the same chance of my car getting stolen or broken into.
Can't agree with Portland ambiance = SF. SF is architecturally and geographically one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Better than Portland and Seattle put together. Honestly, no contest. SF KO's its little brother cities.
That said, I don't know how anyone who voted for Biden could consider themselves "moderate." The U.S. had the strongest economy in decades under Trump, was energy independent, stood up to the Europeans who weren't paying their NATO shares, moved troops from Germany to Poland, stood up to China, and on and on. Seems to me if you love your country, you shouldn't have a problem with "America First."
There was never a question that Trump was a patriot who loved his country. I cannot say the same about Biden, who's family is drug-addicted white-trash with money it earned through corruption and selling out the U.S. My guess is that "moderate" democrats are those who are generally reasonable and thoughtful people, but either their income is dependent upon fealty to China in one respect or another, or their wife would kick their ass if they said anything nice about Trump, or voted for him. -
I have a beautiful view of that refinery out my living room window. Always fun to see them after a big rain torching off the excess gases they've collected during the year. Usually do it at night.WestlinnDuck said:In the 1980s my brother worked for Chevron at their Richmond refinery in the Bay area after getting his chemical engineer degree. Lived in apartment with his wife in Walnut Creek and then bought a townhouse in Benicia. Loved to catch a cheap flight into SF and visit and go into SF for a great dinner. Nothing like flying down with my girlfriend to SF on a Friday night in early 1982 (pre-Aids) with a flight full of Oregon gays.
SF was easy to walk around, car was safe and it had a great vibe. Now, I can get the same ambiance in Portland and have the same chance of my car getting stolen or broken into.TurdBomber said:
SF was our perfect 3 or 4 day getaway for decades. Many, many great times there. I really miss it. But it honestly started going downhill, despite all the tech money, when the City gave away the farm to Twitter, IMO. I'd rather have the city dominated by gays, vs. the tech bros. The gays have far better taste.Edwin_Bambino said:
The Asian American demographic which is maybe more than a third of the city certainly isn’t. They have more voting power than in Seattle or Portland. The white democratic vote is probably 50/50 between those who would essentially be categorized as the Democratic Socialist / Progressive Sawant type liberals and those like myself who would categorize themselves as more moderate democrats at this point.TurdBomber said:
Are San Franciscans as besieged with white guilt as Seattleites or Portlanders? If so, SF is fucked, regardless.Edwin_Bambino said:
Anecdotally this is true, Chinese American highschool kid I tutored in the city and all his buddies have turned pretty MAGA.DerekJohnson said:
All joking aside, I heard a report a couple months ago how Bay Area Chinese and some Japanese and Koreans were getting political and going "MAGA" because they're disgusted by how the state/city are being run. The report focused on the Chinese saying how they usually don't like to get active politically but things have gotten way out of hand.Swaye said:All the Ultra Maga's in San Fran did this.
But it was incredibly disingenuous the way the Boudin campaign ran their recall election. Only 7 percent of San Franciscans are registered republicans, while there was some conservative outside funding this wasn’t some sinister outside take down. Trump wasn’t flying in to appoint the new DA, London Breed would get to pick a new DA.
People are sick of car break ins, sick of open air drug markets, sick of crazy homeless people running around doing whatever they want, sick of burglaries and package thefts. The Asian American community feels like they aren’t being heard.
I spent the last few years living in Polk Gulch, kind of the intersection of Pac Heights, Nob Hill, with spill over from the tenderloin. I felt like I was gaslighted with the reports that crime is down under Boudin based on what I have witnessed, and anecdotal evidence from my friends. The vast majority of shit never even gets reported. I voted to recall, all of my friends did as well, I guess according to Chesa Boudin supporters I’m no longer a Democrat but whatever.
Breed no longer has a scape goat to hide behind so she better get to fixing or her political ambitions might be blown up next.
Boudin only got like 39 percent of the vote when he won, the two moderate candidates who received more than 50 percent of the vote took enough votes from each other that it allowed for Boudin to win with a minority of the votes in a ranked voting system. He decided this than give him a mandate to run with his SJW reformist agenda when really that’s not what the majority of the city was interested in. The recall is the result.
Locally the majority of people really only care about three things at this point, Homelessness, property crime, and building more housing both affordable and otherwise. There was recently a state senate vote for half of the city and the guy who ran his campaign based on those three things crushed the more progressive gay Hispanic candidate from the mission who ran on NIMBYism and anti gentrification. Guy didn’t even win the neighborhood he grew up in. -
Think about how much money that refinery pumps into the Bay area and Cali. Surprised the commies haven't shut that place down.SFGbob said:
I have a beautiful view of that refinery out my living room window. Always fun to see them after a big rain torching off the excess gases they've collected during the year. Usually do it at night.WestlinnDuck said:In the 1980s my brother worked for Chevron at their Richmond refinery in the Bay area after getting his chemical engineer degree. Lived in apartment with his wife in Walnut Creek and then bought a townhouse in Benicia. Loved to catch a cheap flight into SF and visit and go into SF for a great dinner. Nothing like flying down with my girlfriend to SF on a Friday night in early 1982 (pre-Aids) with a flight full of Oregon gays.
SF was easy to walk around, car was safe and it had a great vibe. Now, I can get the same ambiance in Portland and have the same chance of my car getting stolen or broken into.TurdBomber said:
SF was our perfect 3 or 4 day getaway for decades. Many, many great times there. I really miss it. But it honestly started going downhill, despite all the tech money, when the City gave away the farm to Twitter, IMO. I'd rather have the city dominated by gays, vs. the tech bros. The gays have far better taste.Edwin_Bambino said:
The Asian American demographic which is maybe more than a third of the city certainly isn’t. They have more voting power than in Seattle or Portland. The white democratic vote is probably 50/50 between those who would essentially be categorized as the Democratic Socialist / Progressive Sawant type liberals and those like myself who would categorize themselves as more moderate democrats at this point.TurdBomber said:
Are San Franciscans as besieged with white guilt as Seattleites or Portlanders? If so, SF is fucked, regardless.Edwin_Bambino said:
Anecdotally this is true, Chinese American highschool kid I tutored in the city and all his buddies have turned pretty MAGA.DerekJohnson said:
All joking aside, I heard a report a couple months ago how Bay Area Chinese and some Japanese and Koreans were getting political and going "MAGA" because they're disgusted by how the state/city are being run. The report focused on the Chinese saying how they usually don't like to get active politically but things have gotten way out of hand.Swaye said:All the Ultra Maga's in San Fran did this.
But it was incredibly disingenuous the way the Boudin campaign ran their recall election. Only 7 percent of San Franciscans are registered republicans, while there was some conservative outside funding this wasn’t some sinister outside take down. Trump wasn’t flying in to appoint the new DA, London Breed would get to pick a new DA.
People are sick of car break ins, sick of open air drug markets, sick of crazy homeless people running around doing whatever they want, sick of burglaries and package thefts. The Asian American community feels like they aren’t being heard.
I spent the last few years living in Polk Gulch, kind of the intersection of Pac Heights, Nob Hill, with spill over from the tenderloin. I felt like I was gaslighted with the reports that crime is down under Boudin based on what I have witnessed, and anecdotal evidence from my friends. The vast majority of shit never even gets reported. I voted to recall, all of my friends did as well, I guess according to Chesa Boudin supporters I’m no longer a Democrat but whatever.
Breed no longer has a scape goat to hide behind so she better get to fixing or her political ambitions might be blown up next.
Boudin only got like 39 percent of the vote when he won, the two moderate candidates who received more than 50 percent of the vote took enough votes from each other that it allowed for Boudin to win with a minority of the votes in a ranked voting system. He decided this than give him a mandate to run with his SJW reformist agenda when really that’s not what the majority of the city was interested in. The recall is the result.
Locally the majority of people really only care about three things at this point, Homelessness, property crime, and building more housing both affordable and otherwise. There was recently a state senate vote for half of the city and the guy who ran his campaign based on those three things crushed the more progressive gay Hispanic candidate from the mission who ran on NIMBYism and anti gentrification. Guy didn’t even win the neighborhood he grew up in. -
You can call yourself a unicorn but, without proof of a horn, you’re just a horse.Edwin_Bambino said:
I’m at work, not really trying to debate the perceived differences between a moderate and liberal democrat. If you want to call me a rat commie George Soros loving dem because I voted for Biden over trump feel free.WestlinnDuck said:Exactly. That's why I didn't expect Edwin to explain some pretty basic stuff, like why he would vote for an anti-American anti-free enterprise dementia patient over Trump. Ed likes $6 a gallon gas? Average 30 year mortgage rate just hit 5.2% up from under 3% when the dementia patient got elected. I don't think phucking over working Americans is moderate at all. So, a $300,000 30 year fixed mortgage is $1,265 a month at 3.0% and $1,647 a month at 5.2% or just about $4,600 a year in increased costs for a shitty basic starter home or a small condo. Average home price in Portland is now $550,000. A moderate republican would say build more houses with less regulations. A moderate democrat votes for dems who want no new single residential developments.
SFGbob said:
There are Republicans that support abortion rights. I know because I am one. There are no Rats who oppose abortion. The party doesn't even allow anyone with that position to speak at the party convention. What qualifies you as a moderate?Edwin_Bambino said:
Eh that may or may not be true. I think a lot of people would say the same for republicans, maybe not on this forum but you get my point. I’m just providing my perspective as someone who has lived in SF for a decade and is a democrat who supported the recall, instead of the hot takes you see on MSNBC or Fox News.RoadTrip said:
Thank you for wanting an honest engagement but there is no such thing as a moderate democrat these days. That kind of opinion can get you put into solitary confinement today.Edwin_Bambino said:
The Asian American demographic which is maybe more than a third of the city certainly isn’t. They have more voting power than in Seattle or Portland. The white democratic vote is probably 50/50 between those who would essentially be categorized as the Democratic Socialist / Progressive Sawant type liberals and those like myself who would categorize themselves as more moderate democrats at this point.TurdBomber said:
Are San Franciscans as besieged with white guilt as Seattleites or Portlanders? If so, SF is fucked, regardless.Edwin_Bambino said:
Anecdotally this is true, Chinese American highschool kid I tutored in the city and all his buddies have turned pretty MAGA.DerekJohnson said:
All joking aside, I heard a report a couple months ago how Bay Area Chinese and some Japanese and Koreans were getting political and going "MAGA" because they're disgusted by how the state/city are being run. The report focused on the Chinese saying how they usually don't like to get active politically but things have gotten way out of hand.Swaye said:All the Ultra Maga's in San Fran did this.
But it was incredibly disingenuous the way the Boudin campaign ran their recall election. Only 7 percent of San Franciscans are registered republicans, while there was some conservative outside funding this wasn’t some sinister outside take down. Trump wasn’t flying in to appoint the new DA, London Breed would get to pick a new DA.
People are sick of car break ins, sick of open air drug markets, sick of crazy homeless people running around doing whatever they want, sick of burglaries and package thefts. The Asian American community feels like they aren’t being heard.
I spent the last few years living in Polk Gulch, kind of the intersection of Pac Heights, Nob Hill, with spill over from the tenderloin. I felt like I was gaslighted with the reports that crime is down under Boudin based on what I have witnessed, and anecdotal evidence from my friends. The vast majority of shit never even gets reported. I voted to recall, all of my friends did as well, I guess according to Chesa Boudin supporters I’m no longer a Democrat but whatever.
Breed no longer has a scape goat to hide behind so she better get to fixing or her political ambitions might be blown up next.
Boudin only got like 39 percent of the vote when he won, the two moderate candidates who received more than 50 percent of the vote took enough votes from each other that it allowed for Boudin to win with a minority of the votes in a ranked voting system. He decided this than give him a mandate to run with his SJW reformist agenda when really that’s not what the majority of the city was interested in. The recall is the result.
Locally the majority of people really only care about three things at this point, Homelessness, property crime, and building more housing both affordable and otherwise. There was recently a state senate vote for half of the city and the guy who ran his campaign based on those three things crushed the more progressive gay Hispanic candidate from the mission who ran on NIMBYism and anti gentrification. Guy didn’t even win the neighborhood he grew up in.
Once again, I was only really coming through to provide some perspective, whether you agree or disagree is entirely up to you. This forum is very one sided politically so thought you all might find what I have to say as a resident of SF with a different political perspective interesting. Cheers.
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Ed: Hey, "so thought you all might find what I have to say as a resident of SF with a different political perspective interesting".
Me: Okay, what is your different political perspective?
Ed: Can't tell you because I don't know and it is a secret.USMChawk said:
You can call yourself a unicorn but, without proof of a horn, you’re just a horse.Edwin_Bambino said:
I’m at work, not really trying to debate the perceived differences between a moderate and liberal democrat. If you want to call me a rat commie George Soros loving dem because I voted for Biden over trump feel free.WestlinnDuck said:Exactly. That's why I didn't expect Edwin to explain some pretty basic stuff, like why he would vote for an anti-American anti-free enterprise dementia patient over Trump. Ed likes $6 a gallon gas? Average 30 year mortgage rate just hit 5.2% up from under 3% when the dementia patient got elected. I don't think phucking over working Americans is moderate at all. So, a $300,000 30 year fixed mortgage is $1,265 a month at 3.0% and $1,647 a month at 5.2% or just about $4,600 a year in increased costs for a shitty basic starter home or a small condo. Average home price in Portland is now $550,000. A moderate republican would say build more houses with less regulations. A moderate democrat votes for dems who want no new single residential developments.
SFGbob said:
There are Republicans that support abortion rights. I know because I am one. There are no Rats who oppose abortion. The party doesn't even allow anyone with that position to speak at the party convention. What qualifies you as a moderate?Edwin_Bambino said:
Eh that may or may not be true. I think a lot of people would say the same for republicans, maybe not on this forum but you get my point. I’m just providing my perspective as someone who has lived in SF for a decade and is a democrat who supported the recall, instead of the hot takes you see on MSNBC or Fox News.RoadTrip said:
Thank you for wanting an honest engagement but there is no such thing as a moderate democrat these days. That kind of opinion can get you put into solitary confinement today.Edwin_Bambino said:
The Asian American demographic which is maybe more than a third of the city certainly isn’t. They have more voting power than in Seattle or Portland. The white democratic vote is probably 50/50 between those who would essentially be categorized as the Democratic Socialist / Progressive Sawant type liberals and those like myself who would categorize themselves as more moderate democrats at this point.TurdBomber said:
Are San Franciscans as besieged with white guilt as Seattleites or Portlanders? If so, SF is fucked, regardless.Edwin_Bambino said:
Anecdotally this is true, Chinese American highschool kid I tutored in the city and all his buddies have turned pretty MAGA.DerekJohnson said:
All joking aside, I heard a report a couple months ago how Bay Area Chinese and some Japanese and Koreans were getting political and going "MAGA" because they're disgusted by how the state/city are being run. The report focused on the Chinese saying how they usually don't like to get active politically but things have gotten way out of hand.Swaye said:All the Ultra Maga's in San Fran did this.
But it was incredibly disingenuous the way the Boudin campaign ran their recall election. Only 7 percent of San Franciscans are registered republicans, while there was some conservative outside funding this wasn’t some sinister outside take down. Trump wasn’t flying in to appoint the new DA, London Breed would get to pick a new DA.
People are sick of car break ins, sick of open air drug markets, sick of crazy homeless people running around doing whatever they want, sick of burglaries and package thefts. The Asian American community feels like they aren’t being heard.
I spent the last few years living in Polk Gulch, kind of the intersection of Pac Heights, Nob Hill, with spill over from the tenderloin. I felt like I was gaslighted with the reports that crime is down under Boudin based on what I have witnessed, and anecdotal evidence from my friends. The vast majority of shit never even gets reported. I voted to recall, all of my friends did as well, I guess according to Chesa Boudin supporters I’m no longer a Democrat but whatever.
Breed no longer has a scape goat to hide behind so she better get to fixing or her political ambitions might be blown up next.
Boudin only got like 39 percent of the vote when he won, the two moderate candidates who received more than 50 percent of the vote took enough votes from each other that it allowed for Boudin to win with a minority of the votes in a ranked voting system. He decided this than give him a mandate to run with his SJW reformist agenda when really that’s not what the majority of the city was interested in. The recall is the result.
Locally the majority of people really only care about three things at this point, Homelessness, property crime, and building more housing both affordable and otherwise. There was recently a state senate vote for half of the city and the guy who ran his campaign based on those three things crushed the more progressive gay Hispanic candidate from the mission who ran on NIMBYism and anti gentrification. Guy didn’t even win the neighborhood he grew up in.
Once again, I was only really coming through to provide some perspective, whether you agree or disagree is entirely up to you. This forum is very one sided politically so thought you all might find what I have to say as a resident of SF with a different political perspective interesting. Cheers. -
My oldest played football with a number of kids that live in Richmond. The local community tries to put the touch on Chevron whenever they can. I actually had a conversation with one of the parents and they were bitching about how Chevron should be doing more for them and how awful it was that Chevron was able to spew their pollution and that they were only able to do so because Richmond was a poor black community. I tried to remind her that the refinery had been in that location since the turn of the 20th Century and that they didn't move into a black community the black community moved into their neighborhood.WestlinnDuck said:
Think about how much money that refinery pumps into the Bay area and Cali. Surprised the commies haven't shut that place down.SFGbob said:
I have a beautiful view of that refinery out my living room window. Always fun to see them after a big rain torching off the excess gases they've collected during the year. Usually do it at night.WestlinnDuck said:In the 1980s my brother worked for Chevron at their Richmond refinery in the Bay area after getting his chemical engineer degree. Lived in apartment with his wife in Walnut Creek and then bought a townhouse in Benicia. Loved to catch a cheap flight into SF and visit and go into SF for a great dinner. Nothing like flying down with my girlfriend to SF on a Friday night in early 1982 (pre-Aids) with a flight full of Oregon gays.
SF was easy to walk around, car was safe and it had a great vibe. Now, I can get the same ambiance in Portland and have the same chance of my car getting stolen or broken into.TurdBomber said:
SF was our perfect 3 or 4 day getaway for decades. Many, many great times there. I really miss it. But it honestly started going downhill, despite all the tech money, when the City gave away the farm to Twitter, IMO. I'd rather have the city dominated by gays, vs. the tech bros. The gays have far better taste.Edwin_Bambino said:
The Asian American demographic which is maybe more than a third of the city certainly isn’t. They have more voting power than in Seattle or Portland. The white democratic vote is probably 50/50 between those who would essentially be categorized as the Democratic Socialist / Progressive Sawant type liberals and those like myself who would categorize themselves as more moderate democrats at this point.TurdBomber said:
Are San Franciscans as besieged with white guilt as Seattleites or Portlanders? If so, SF is fucked, regardless.Edwin_Bambino said:
Anecdotally this is true, Chinese American highschool kid I tutored in the city and all his buddies have turned pretty MAGA.DerekJohnson said:
All joking aside, I heard a report a couple months ago how Bay Area Chinese and some Japanese and Koreans were getting political and going "MAGA" because they're disgusted by how the state/city are being run. The report focused on the Chinese saying how they usually don't like to get active politically but things have gotten way out of hand.Swaye said:All the Ultra Maga's in San Fran did this.
But it was incredibly disingenuous the way the Boudin campaign ran their recall election. Only 7 percent of San Franciscans are registered republicans, while there was some conservative outside funding this wasn’t some sinister outside take down. Trump wasn’t flying in to appoint the new DA, London Breed would get to pick a new DA.
People are sick of car break ins, sick of open air drug markets, sick of crazy homeless people running around doing whatever they want, sick of burglaries and package thefts. The Asian American community feels like they aren’t being heard.
I spent the last few years living in Polk Gulch, kind of the intersection of Pac Heights, Nob Hill, with spill over from the tenderloin. I felt like I was gaslighted with the reports that crime is down under Boudin based on what I have witnessed, and anecdotal evidence from my friends. The vast majority of shit never even gets reported. I voted to recall, all of my friends did as well, I guess according to Chesa Boudin supporters I’m no longer a Democrat but whatever.
Breed no longer has a scape goat to hide behind so she better get to fixing or her political ambitions might be blown up next.
Boudin only got like 39 percent of the vote when he won, the two moderate candidates who received more than 50 percent of the vote took enough votes from each other that it allowed for Boudin to win with a minority of the votes in a ranked voting system. He decided this than give him a mandate to run with his SJW reformist agenda when really that’s not what the majority of the city was interested in. The recall is the result.
Locally the majority of people really only care about three things at this point, Homelessness, property crime, and building more housing both affordable and otherwise. There was recently a state senate vote for half of the city and the guy who ran his campaign based on those three things crushed the more progressive gay Hispanic candidate from the mission who ran on NIMBYism and anti gentrification. Guy didn’t even win the neighborhood he grew up in.
She never tried to talk to me again. -
Did you just call him a rat commie George Soros loving dem because he voted for Biden over trump?USMChawk said:
You can call yourself a unicorn but, without proof of a horn, you’re just a horse.Edwin_Bambino said:
I’m at work, not really trying to debate the perceived differences between a moderate and liberal democrat. If you want to call me a rat commie George Soros loving dem because I voted for Biden over trump feel free.WestlinnDuck said:Exactly. That's why I didn't expect Edwin to explain some pretty basic stuff, like why he would vote for an anti-American anti-free enterprise dementia patient over Trump. Ed likes $6 a gallon gas? Average 30 year mortgage rate just hit 5.2% up from under 3% when the dementia patient got elected. I don't think phucking over working Americans is moderate at all. So, a $300,000 30 year fixed mortgage is $1,265 a month at 3.0% and $1,647 a month at 5.2% or just about $4,600 a year in increased costs for a shitty basic starter home or a small condo. Average home price in Portland is now $550,000. A moderate republican would say build more houses with less regulations. A moderate democrat votes for dems who want no new single residential developments.
SFGbob said:
There are Republicans that support abortion rights. I know because I am one. There are no Rats who oppose abortion. The party doesn't even allow anyone with that position to speak at the party convention. What qualifies you as a moderate?Edwin_Bambino said:
Eh that may or may not be true. I think a lot of people would say the same for republicans, maybe not on this forum but you get my point. I’m just providing my perspective as someone who has lived in SF for a decade and is a democrat who supported the recall, instead of the hot takes you see on MSNBC or Fox News.RoadTrip said:
Thank you for wanting an honest engagement but there is no such thing as a moderate democrat these days. That kind of opinion can get you put into solitary confinement today.Edwin_Bambino said:
The Asian American demographic which is maybe more than a third of the city certainly isn’t. They have more voting power than in Seattle or Portland. The white democratic vote is probably 50/50 between those who would essentially be categorized as the Democratic Socialist / Progressive Sawant type liberals and those like myself who would categorize themselves as more moderate democrats at this point.TurdBomber said:
Are San Franciscans as besieged with white guilt as Seattleites or Portlanders? If so, SF is fucked, regardless.Edwin_Bambino said:
Anecdotally this is true, Chinese American highschool kid I tutored in the city and all his buddies have turned pretty MAGA.DerekJohnson said:
All joking aside, I heard a report a couple months ago how Bay Area Chinese and some Japanese and Koreans were getting political and going "MAGA" because they're disgusted by how the state/city are being run. The report focused on the Chinese saying how they usually don't like to get active politically but things have gotten way out of hand.Swaye said:All the Ultra Maga's in San Fran did this.
But it was incredibly disingenuous the way the Boudin campaign ran their recall election. Only 7 percent of San Franciscans are registered republicans, while there was some conservative outside funding this wasn’t some sinister outside take down. Trump wasn’t flying in to appoint the new DA, London Breed would get to pick a new DA.
People are sick of car break ins, sick of open air drug markets, sick of crazy homeless people running around doing whatever they want, sick of burglaries and package thefts. The Asian American community feels like they aren’t being heard.
I spent the last few years living in Polk Gulch, kind of the intersection of Pac Heights, Nob Hill, with spill over from the tenderloin. I felt like I was gaslighted with the reports that crime is down under Boudin based on what I have witnessed, and anecdotal evidence from my friends. The vast majority of shit never even gets reported. I voted to recall, all of my friends did as well, I guess according to Chesa Boudin supporters I’m no longer a Democrat but whatever.
Breed no longer has a scape goat to hide behind so she better get to fixing or her political ambitions might be blown up next.
Boudin only got like 39 percent of the vote when he won, the two moderate candidates who received more than 50 percent of the vote took enough votes from each other that it allowed for Boudin to win with a minority of the votes in a ranked voting system. He decided this than give him a mandate to run with his SJW reformist agenda when really that’s not what the majority of the city was interested in. The recall is the result.
Locally the majority of people really only care about three things at this point, Homelessness, property crime, and building more housing both affordable and otherwise. There was recently a state senate vote for half of the city and the guy who ran his campaign based on those three things crushed the more progressive gay Hispanic candidate from the mission who ran on NIMBYism and anti gentrification. Guy didn’t even win the neighborhood he grew up in.
Once again, I was only really coming through to provide some perspective, whether you agree or disagree is entirely up to you. This forum is very one sided politically so thought you all might find what I have to say as a resident of SF with a different political perspective interesting. Cheers. -
Just more of that honest conversation that leftards can't wait to have.SFGbob said:
My oldest played football with a number of kids that live in Richmond. The local community tries to put the touch on Chevron whenever they can. I actually had a conversation with one of the parents and they were bitching about how Chevron should be doing more for them and how awful it was that Chevron was able to spew their pollution and that they were only able to do so because Richmond was a poor black community. I tried to remind her that the refinery had been in that location since the turn of the 20th Century and that they didn't move into a black community the black community moved into their neighborhood.WestlinnDuck said:
Think about how much money that refinery pumps into the Bay area and Cali. Surprised the commies haven't shut that place down.SFGbob said:
I have a beautiful view of that refinery out my living room window. Always fun to see them after a big rain torching off the excess gases they've collected during the year. Usually do it at night.WestlinnDuck said:In the 1980s my brother worked for Chevron at their Richmond refinery in the Bay area after getting his chemical engineer degree. Lived in apartment with his wife in Walnut Creek and then bought a townhouse in Benicia. Loved to catch a cheap flight into SF and visit and go into SF for a great dinner. Nothing like flying down with my girlfriend to SF on a Friday night in early 1982 (pre-Aids) with a flight full of Oregon gays.
SF was easy to walk around, car was safe and it had a great vibe. Now, I can get the same ambiance in Portland and have the same chance of my car getting stolen or broken into.TurdBomber said:
SF was our perfect 3 or 4 day getaway for decades. Many, many great times there. I really miss it. But it honestly started going downhill, despite all the tech money, when the City gave away the farm to Twitter, IMO. I'd rather have the city dominated by gays, vs. the tech bros. The gays have far better taste.Edwin_Bambino said:
The Asian American demographic which is maybe more than a third of the city certainly isn’t. They have more voting power than in Seattle or Portland. The white democratic vote is probably 50/50 between those who would essentially be categorized as the Democratic Socialist / Progressive Sawant type liberals and those like myself who would categorize themselves as more moderate democrats at this point.TurdBomber said:
Are San Franciscans as besieged with white guilt as Seattleites or Portlanders? If so, SF is fucked, regardless.Edwin_Bambino said:
Anecdotally this is true, Chinese American highschool kid I tutored in the city and all his buddies have turned pretty MAGA.DerekJohnson said:
All joking aside, I heard a report a couple months ago how Bay Area Chinese and some Japanese and Koreans were getting political and going "MAGA" because they're disgusted by how the state/city are being run. The report focused on the Chinese saying how they usually don't like to get active politically but things have gotten way out of hand.Swaye said:All the Ultra Maga's in San Fran did this.
But it was incredibly disingenuous the way the Boudin campaign ran their recall election. Only 7 percent of San Franciscans are registered republicans, while there was some conservative outside funding this wasn’t some sinister outside take down. Trump wasn’t flying in to appoint the new DA, London Breed would get to pick a new DA.
People are sick of car break ins, sick of open air drug markets, sick of crazy homeless people running around doing whatever they want, sick of burglaries and package thefts. The Asian American community feels like they aren’t being heard.
I spent the last few years living in Polk Gulch, kind of the intersection of Pac Heights, Nob Hill, with spill over from the tenderloin. I felt like I was gaslighted with the reports that crime is down under Boudin based on what I have witnessed, and anecdotal evidence from my friends. The vast majority of shit never even gets reported. I voted to recall, all of my friends did as well, I guess according to Chesa Boudin supporters I’m no longer a Democrat but whatever.
Breed no longer has a scape goat to hide behind so she better get to fixing or her political ambitions might be blown up next.
Boudin only got like 39 percent of the vote when he won, the two moderate candidates who received more than 50 percent of the vote took enough votes from each other that it allowed for Boudin to win with a minority of the votes in a ranked voting system. He decided this than give him a mandate to run with his SJW reformist agenda when really that’s not what the majority of the city was interested in. The recall is the result.
Locally the majority of people really only care about three things at this point, Homelessness, property crime, and building more housing both affordable and otherwise. There was recently a state senate vote for half of the city and the guy who ran his campaign based on those three things crushed the more progressive gay Hispanic candidate from the mission who ran on NIMBYism and anti gentrification. Guy didn’t even win the neighborhood he grew up in.
She never tried to talk to me again. -
Oh I'm sure in her mind from that point forward I was the racist white guy who wanted POC to be poisoned by BIG Oil. It was really amazing to me how many people living in Richmond feel like Chevron owes them personally for being there. There wasn't shit in that location before they built that refinery other than some fishing shacks and a rail line and ferry terminal. Richmond was the flatlands nobody want to live in. It wasn't until WWII that Richmond's population started to boom long after the refinery had been there.WestlinnDuck said:Just more of that honest conversation that leftards can't wait to have.
SFGbob said:
My oldest played football with a number of kids that live in Richmond. The local community tries to put the touch on Chevron whenever they can. I actually had a conversation with one of the parents and they were bitching about how Chevron should be doing more for them and how awful it was that Chevron was able to spew their pollution and that they were only able to do so because Richmond was a poor black community. I tried to remind her that the refinery had been in that location since the turn of the 20th Century and that they didn't move into a black community the black community moved into their neighborhood.WestlinnDuck said:
Think about how much money that refinery pumps into the Bay area and Cali. Surprised the commies haven't shut that place down.SFGbob said:
I have a beautiful view of that refinery out my living room window. Always fun to see them after a big rain torching off the excess gases they've collected during the year. Usually do it at night.WestlinnDuck said:In the 1980s my brother worked for Chevron at their Richmond refinery in the Bay area after getting his chemical engineer degree. Lived in apartment with his wife in Walnut Creek and then bought a townhouse in Benicia. Loved to catch a cheap flight into SF and visit and go into SF for a great dinner. Nothing like flying down with my girlfriend to SF on a Friday night in early 1982 (pre-Aids) with a flight full of Oregon gays.
SF was easy to walk around, car was safe and it had a great vibe. Now, I can get the same ambiance in Portland and have the same chance of my car getting stolen or broken into.TurdBomber said:
SF was our perfect 3 or 4 day getaway for decades. Many, many great times there. I really miss it. But it honestly started going downhill, despite all the tech money, when the City gave away the farm to Twitter, IMO. I'd rather have the city dominated by gays, vs. the tech bros. The gays have far better taste.Edwin_Bambino said:
The Asian American demographic which is maybe more than a third of the city certainly isn’t. They have more voting power than in Seattle or Portland. The white democratic vote is probably 50/50 between those who would essentially be categorized as the Democratic Socialist / Progressive Sawant type liberals and those like myself who would categorize themselves as more moderate democrats at this point.TurdBomber said:
Are San Franciscans as besieged with white guilt as Seattleites or Portlanders? If so, SF is fucked, regardless.Edwin_Bambino said:
Anecdotally this is true, Chinese American highschool kid I tutored in the city and all his buddies have turned pretty MAGA.DerekJohnson said:
All joking aside, I heard a report a couple months ago how Bay Area Chinese and some Japanese and Koreans were getting political and going "MAGA" because they're disgusted by how the state/city are being run. The report focused on the Chinese saying how they usually don't like to get active politically but things have gotten way out of hand.Swaye said:All the Ultra Maga's in San Fran did this.
But it was incredibly disingenuous the way the Boudin campaign ran their recall election. Only 7 percent of San Franciscans are registered republicans, while there was some conservative outside funding this wasn’t some sinister outside take down. Trump wasn’t flying in to appoint the new DA, London Breed would get to pick a new DA.
People are sick of car break ins, sick of open air drug markets, sick of crazy homeless people running around doing whatever they want, sick of burglaries and package thefts. The Asian American community feels like they aren’t being heard.
I spent the last few years living in Polk Gulch, kind of the intersection of Pac Heights, Nob Hill, with spill over from the tenderloin. I felt like I was gaslighted with the reports that crime is down under Boudin based on what I have witnessed, and anecdotal evidence from my friends. The vast majority of shit never even gets reported. I voted to recall, all of my friends did as well, I guess according to Chesa Boudin supporters I’m no longer a Democrat but whatever.
Breed no longer has a scape goat to hide behind so she better get to fixing or her political ambitions might be blown up next.
Boudin only got like 39 percent of the vote when he won, the two moderate candidates who received more than 50 percent of the vote took enough votes from each other that it allowed for Boudin to win with a minority of the votes in a ranked voting system. He decided this than give him a mandate to run with his SJW reformist agenda when really that’s not what the majority of the city was interested in. The recall is the result.
Locally the majority of people really only care about three things at this point, Homelessness, property crime, and building more housing both affordable and otherwise. There was recently a state senate vote for half of the city and the guy who ran his campaign based on those three things crushed the more progressive gay Hispanic candidate from the mission who ran on NIMBYism and anti gentrification. Guy didn’t even win the neighborhood he grew up in.
She never tried to talk to me again. -
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.SFGbob said:I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me. -
Now the acid test. Would you vote for a Republican who shared your position on a few of those issues, over an AOC or a Bernie who shared none of them? Btw, I don't know anyone who is opposed to teaching the evils of slavery. Agree with you on Ron D. That's why he is my guy.Edwin_Bambino said:
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.SFGbob said:I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me.
Can you give some examples of where you see Christianity being forced on people, because I'll gladly show you were leftist wokeism is being shoved down my throat. -
Perhaps. I have never voted for Bernie in a primary / wouldn’t vote for AOC. I have voted for republicans in local elections in the past. It would depend on which issues we shared and which we didn’t.SFGbob said:
Now the acid test. Would you vote for a Republican who shared your position on a few of those issues, over an AOC or a Bernie who shared none of them? Btw, I don't know anyone who is opposed to teaching the evils of slavery. Agree with you on Ron D. That's why he is my guy.Edwin_Bambino said:
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.SFGbob said:I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me.
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Did you vote for Mitt in 2012?Edwin_Bambino said:
Perhaps. I have never voted for Bernie in a primary / wouldn’t vote for AOC. I have voted for republicans in local elections in the past. It would depend on which issues we shared and which we didn’t.SFGbob said:
Now the acid test. Would you vote for a Republican who shared your position on a few of those issues, over an AOC or a Bernie who shared none of them? Btw, I don't know anyone who is opposed to teaching the evils of slavery. Agree with you on Ron D. That's why he is my guy.Edwin_Bambino said:
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.SFGbob said:I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me. -
Obama 2008, Mitt 2012. Didn’t vote for Trump primarily because of the Supreme Court. Was worried they would do exactly what they seem to start to be doing now.SFGbob said:
Did you vote for Mitt in 2012?Edwin_Bambino said:
Perhaps. I have never voted for Bernie in a primary / wouldn’t vote for AOC. I have voted for republicans in local elections in the past. It would depend on which issues we shared and which we didn’t.SFGbob said:
Now the acid test. Would you vote for a Republican who shared your position on a few of those issues, over an AOC or a Bernie who shared none of them? Btw, I don't know anyone who is opposed to teaching the evils of slavery. Agree with you on Ron D. That's why he is my guy.Edwin_Bambino said:
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.SFGbob said:I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me.
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Alright, if you did honestly vote for Mitt you've established your moderate credentials with me.Edwin_Bambino said:
Obama 2008, Mitt 2012. Didn’t vote for Trump primarily because of the Supreme Court. Was worried they would do exactly what they seem to start to be doing now.SFGbob said:
Did you vote for Mitt in 2012?Edwin_Bambino said:
Perhaps. I have never voted for Bernie in a primary / wouldn’t vote for AOC. I have voted for republicans in local elections in the past. It would depend on which issues we shared and which we didn’t.SFGbob said:
Now the acid test. Would you vote for a Republican who shared your position on a few of those issues, over an AOC or a Bernie who shared none of them? Btw, I don't know anyone who is opposed to teaching the evils of slavery. Agree with you on Ron D. That's why he is my guy.Edwin_Bambino said:
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.SFGbob said:I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me. -
And what exactly is it that they 'seem to start to be doing now' ?Edwin_Bambino said:
Obama 2008, Mitt 2012. Didn’t vote for Trump primarily because of the Supreme Court. Was worried they would do exactly what they seem to start to be doing now.SFGbob said:
Did you vote for Mitt in 2012?Edwin_Bambino said:
Perhaps. I have never voted for Bernie in a primary / wouldn’t vote for AOC. I have voted for republicans in local elections in the past. It would depend on which issues we shared and which we didn’t.SFGbob said:
Now the acid test. Would you vote for a Republican who shared your position on a few of those issues, over an AOC or a Bernie who shared none of them? Btw, I don't know anyone who is opposed to teaching the evils of slavery. Agree with you on Ron D. That's why he is my guy.Edwin_Bambino said:
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.SFGbob said:I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me.
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Edwin reminds me of me when I was younger
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Yeah, but only much cooler than you. Should I call you trash again?RaceBannon said:Edwin reminds me of me when I was younger
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Yeah. But will he smash your face in?RaceBannon said:Edwin reminds me of me when I was younger
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The fact that you voted for Biden and now unexpectedly think he has done a poor job means that you didn't go through your list of policy issues and make a rational choice. Bob asked if you voted for Mittens and we probably already know the answer to that one.Edwin_Bambino said:
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.SFGbob said:I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently. Score Republican. Not even close.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance. Moderate dem or republican. We already have pretty much universal background checks. Texas shooter passed it. Now Red Flag laws would be fine if we could trust the government (dems) but we can't. Hell, the dazzler thinks I'm a white nationalist and white supremacist. Now way he wouldn't Red Flag me.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity. Christianity doesn't cost me a dime. Woke leftards cost me thousands of dollars a year. I'm for limited abortion. Not a voting issue for me.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue. Universal minimum wage is a commie dream, especially with open borders and turning the US into the world's welfare magnet. All you would actually get with a large universal minimum wage would be less employment and just an increase in our already massive welfare programs.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would. The ultra rich already pay far more than their "fair share". There was nothing wrong with the US economy in March of 2020 with record increases in real wages for the middle class. Feel free to tell me how Mark Zuckerberg's wealth is costing me anything. Any wealth tax on Bill Gates isn't going to do spit for anyone except punish Bill Gates and cost the US capital and jobs.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time. Another strawman ass phuck. If you have gone to school, you learned about slavery, the Civil War, Jim Crow, the Civil Rights struggle and Act and Martin Luther King Jr. No one is suppressing the teaching of US history except for the left who wants indoctrination and not education.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea. Moderate Republican if not an actual White supremacist supporting white institutional racism.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me. -
Slightly left of me in 2016 but the GOP was still the party of the patriot act back then.RaceBannon said:Edwin reminds me of me when I was younger
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Those people dissappear bc HH remembers what you write and will use it against you.RaceBannon said:This forum became one sided because one side disappeared to be honest
There used to be plenty of folks here calling me trash
I miss them
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So a democrat with a brain.Edwin_Bambino said:
Eh that may or may not be true. I think a lot of people would say the same for republicans, maybe not on this forum but you get my point. I’m just providing my perspective as someone who has lived in SF for a decade and is a democrat who supported the recall, instead of the hot takes you see on MSNBC or Fox News.RoadTrip said:
Thank you for wanting an honest engagement but there is no such thing as a moderate democrat these days. That kind of opinion can get you put into solitary confinement today.Edwin_Bambino said:
The Asian American demographic which is maybe more than a third of the city certainly isn’t. They have more voting power than in Seattle or Portland. The white democratic vote is probably 50/50 between those who would essentially be categorized as the Democratic Socialist / Progressive Sawant type liberals and those like myself who would categorize themselves as more moderate democrats at this point.TurdBomber said:
Are San Franciscans as besieged with white guilt as Seattleites or Portlanders? If so, SF is fucked, regardless.Edwin_Bambino said:
Anecdotally this is true, Chinese American highschool kid I tutored in the city and all his buddies have turned pretty MAGA.DerekJohnson said:
All joking aside, I heard a report a couple months ago how Bay Area Chinese and some Japanese and Koreans were getting political and going "MAGA" because they're disgusted by how the state/city are being run. The report focused on the Chinese saying how they usually don't like to get active politically but things have gotten way out of hand.Swaye said:All the Ultra Maga's in San Fran did this.
But it was incredibly disingenuous the way the Boudin campaign ran their recall election. Only 7 percent of San Franciscans are registered republicans, while there was some conservative outside funding this wasn’t some sinister outside take down. Trump wasn’t flying in to appoint the new DA, London Breed would get to pick a new DA.
People are sick of car break ins, sick of open air drug markets, sick of crazy homeless people running around doing whatever they want, sick of burglaries and package thefts. The Asian American community feels like they aren’t being heard.
I spent the last few years living in Polk Gulch, kind of the intersection of Pac Heights, Nob Hill, with spill over from the tenderloin. I felt like I was gaslighted with the reports that crime is down under Boudin based on what I have witnessed, and anecdotal evidence from my friends. The vast majority of shit never even gets reported. I voted to recall, all of my friends did as well, I guess according to Chesa Boudin supporters I’m no longer a Democrat but whatever.
Breed no longer has a scape goat to hide behind so she better get to fixing or her political ambitions might be blown up next.
Boudin only got like 39 percent of the vote when he won, the two moderate candidates who received more than 50 percent of the vote took enough votes from each other that it allowed for Boudin to win with a minority of the votes in a ranked voting system. He decided this than give him a mandate to run with his SJW reformist agenda when really that’s not what the majority of the city was interested in. The recall is the result.
Locally the majority of people really only care about three things at this point, Homelessness, property crime, and building more housing both affordable and otherwise. There was recently a state senate vote for half of the city and the guy who ran his campaign based on those three things crushed the more progressive gay Hispanic candidate from the mission who ran on NIMBYism and anti gentrification. Guy didn’t even win the neighborhood he grew up in. -
I really don't understand why you are riding him so hard. He's been open, honest, cordial and frankly reasonable. More than I can say for the usual suspects.WestlinnDuck said:
The fact that you voted for Biden and now unexpectedly think he has done a poor job means that you didn't go through your list of policy issues and make a rational choice. Bob asked if you voted for Mittens and we probably already know the answer to that one.Edwin_Bambino said:
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.SFGbob said:I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently. Score Republican. Not even close.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance. Moderate dem or republican. We already have pretty much universal background checks. Texas shooter passed it. Now Red Flag laws would be fine if we could trust the government (dems) but we can't. Hell, the dazzler thinks I'm a white nationalist and white supremacist. Now way he wouldn't Red Flag me.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity. Christianity doesn't cost me a dime. Woke leftards cost me thousands of dollars a year. I'm for limited abortion. Not a voting issue for me.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue. Universal minimum wage is a commie dream, especially with open borders and turning the US into the world's welfare magnet. All you would actually get with a large universal minimum wage would be less employment and just an increase in our already massive welfare programs.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would. The ultra rich already pay far more than their "fair share". There was nothing wrong with the US economy in March of 2020 with record increases in real wages for the middle class. Feel free to tell me how Mark Zuckerberg's wealth is costing me anything. Any wealth tax on Bill Gates isn't going to do spit for anyone except punish Bill Gates and cost the US capital and jobs.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time. Another strawman ass phuck. If you have gone to school, you learned about slavery, the Civil War, Jim Crow, the Civil Rights struggle and Act and Martin Luther King Jr. No one is suppressing the teaching of US history except for the left who wants indoctrination and not education.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea. Moderate Republican if not an actual White supremacist supporting white institutional racism.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me.
Like Race and DoogBot, I often find myself left-of-center whenever I do those online questionnaires. But you wouldn't know that from my posting history.
As for 'moderate' democrats I draw a line between establishment, corporate democrats and those more populist and free thinking. The establishment dems use wokeism disingenuously as a tool- basically massive fucking hypocrites. The far left actually believe that shit. It all appears to be beginning to finally backfire in their faces. And frankly we need reasonable Democrats to stand up and tell them all to fuck off.
Belittling someone is a strange way to build a coalition. It's time to step back - if only for a moment - and let Bill Mahar-types chastise their own. Better late than never. Even if there are issues we will never find common ground on, so what?
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Fuck off.USMChawk said:
You can call yourself a unicorn but, without proof of a horn, you’re just a horse.Edwin_Bambino said:
I’m at work, not really trying to debate the perceived differences between a moderate and liberal democrat. If you want to call me a rat commie George Soros loving dem because I voted for Biden over trump feel free.WestlinnDuck said:Exactly. That's why I didn't expect Edwin to explain some pretty basic stuff, like why he would vote for an anti-American anti-free enterprise dementia patient over Trump. Ed likes $6 a gallon gas? Average 30 year mortgage rate just hit 5.2% up from under 3% when the dementia patient got elected. I don't think phucking over working Americans is moderate at all. So, a $300,000 30 year fixed mortgage is $1,265 a month at 3.0% and $1,647 a month at 5.2% or just about $4,600 a year in increased costs for a shitty basic starter home or a small condo. Average home price in Portland is now $550,000. A moderate republican would say build more houses with less regulations. A moderate democrat votes for dems who want no new single residential developments.
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There are Republicans that support abortion rights. I know because I am one. There are no Rats who oppose abortion. The party doesn't even allow anyone with that position to speak at the party convention. What qualifies you as a moderate?Edwin_Bambino said:
Eh that may or may not be true. I think a lot of people would say the same for republicans, maybe not on this forum but you get my point. I’m just providing my perspective as someone who has lived in SF for a decade and is a democrat who supported the recall, instead of the hot takes you see on MSNBC or Fox News.RoadTrip said:
Thank you for wanting an honest engagement but there is no such thing as a moderate democrat these days. That kind of opinion can get you put into solitary confinement today.Edwin_Bambino said:
The Asian American demographic which is maybe more than a third of the city certainly isn’t. They have more voting power than in Seattle or Portland. The white democratic vote is probably 50/50 between those who would essentially be categorized as the Democratic Socialist / Progressive Sawant type liberals and those like myself who would categorize themselves as more moderate democrats at this point.TurdBomber said:
Are San Franciscans as besieged with white guilt as Seattleites or Portlanders? If so, SF is fucked, regardless.Edwin_Bambino said:
Anecdotally this is true, Chinese American highschool kid I tutored in the city and all his buddies have turned pretty MAGA.DerekJohnson said:
All joking aside, I heard a report a couple months ago how Bay Area Chinese and some Japanese and Koreans were getting political and going "MAGA" because they're disgusted by how the state/city are being run. The report focused on the Chinese saying how they usually don't like to get active politically but things have gotten way out of hand.Swaye said:All the Ultra Maga's in San Fran did this.
But it was incredibly disingenuous the way the Boudin campaign ran their recall election. Only 7 percent of San Franciscans are registered republicans, while there was some conservative outside funding this wasn’t some sinister outside take down. Trump wasn’t flying in to appoint the new DA, London Breed would get to pick a new DA.
People are sick of car break ins, sick of open air drug markets, sick of crazy homeless people running around doing whatever they want, sick of burglaries and package thefts. The Asian American community feels like they aren’t being heard.
I spent the last few years living in Polk Gulch, kind of the intersection of Pac Heights, Nob Hill, with spill over from the tenderloin. I felt like I was gaslighted with the reports that crime is down under Boudin based on what I have witnessed, and anecdotal evidence from my friends. The vast majority of shit never even gets reported. I voted to recall, all of my friends did as well, I guess according to Chesa Boudin supporters I’m no longer a Democrat but whatever.
Breed no longer has a scape goat to hide behind so she better get to fixing or her political ambitions might be blown up next.
Boudin only got like 39 percent of the vote when he won, the two moderate candidates who received more than 50 percent of the vote took enough votes from each other that it allowed for Boudin to win with a minority of the votes in a ranked voting system. He decided this than give him a mandate to run with his SJW reformist agenda when really that’s not what the majority of the city was interested in. The recall is the result.
Locally the majority of people really only care about three things at this point, Homelessness, property crime, and building more housing both affordable and otherwise. There was recently a state senate vote for half of the city and the guy who ran his campaign based on those three things crushed the more progressive gay Hispanic candidate from the mission who ran on NIMBYism and anti gentrification. Guy didn’t even win the neighborhood he grew up in.
Once again, I was only really coming through to provide some perspective, whether you agree or disagree is entirely up to you. This forum is very one sided politically so thought you all might find what I have to say as a resident of SF with a different political perspective interesting. Cheers.
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Measured and reasonable. You are a person I could have a beer with, disagree on shit, but would still take you to the titty bar and buy you a lap dance. Bearswiin, HHusky and all of them are too retarded. Plus I wouldn't want to be seen with dorks.Edwin_Bambino said:
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.SFGbob said:I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me. -
In a few hundred years he could really be somebody.RaceBannon said:Edwin reminds me of me when I was younger
