I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently. Score Republican. Not even close.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance. Moderate dem or republican. We already have pretty much universal background checks. Texas shooter passed it. Now Red Flag laws would be fine if we could trust the government (dems) but we can't. Hell, the dazzler thinks I'm a white nationalist and white supremacist. Now way he wouldn't Red Flag me.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity. Christianity doesn't cost me a dime. Woke leftards cost me thousands of dollars a year. I'm for limited abortion. Not a voting issue for me.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue. Universal minimum wage is a commie dream, especially with open borders and turning the US into the world's welfare magnet. All you would actually get with a large universal minimum wage would be less employment and just an increase in our already massive welfare programs.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would. The ultra rich already pay far more than their "fair share". There was nothing wrong with the US economy in March of 2020 with record increases in real wages for the middle class. Feel free to tell me how Mark Zuckerberg's wealth is costing me anything. Any wealth tax on Bill Gates isn't going to do spit for anyone except punish Bill Gates and cost the US capital and jobs.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time. Another strawman ass phuck. If you have gone to school, you learned about slavery, the Civil War, Jim Crow, the Civil Rights struggle and Act and Martin Luther King Jr. No one is suppressing the teaching of US history except for the left who wants indoctrination and not education.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea. Moderate Republican if not an actual White supremacist supporting white institutional racism.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me.
The fact that you voted for Biden and now unexpectedly think he has done a poor job means that you didn't go through your list of policy issues and make a rational choice. Bob asked if you voted for Mittens and we probably already know the answer to that one.
All joking aside, I heard a report a couple months ago how Bay Area Chinese and some Japanese and Koreans were getting political and going "MAGA" because they're disgusted by how the state/city are being run. The report focused on the Chinese saying how they usually don't like to get active politically but things have gotten way out of hand.
Anecdotally this is true, Chinese American highschool kid I tutored in the city and all his buddies have turned pretty MAGA.
But it was incredibly disingenuous the way the Boudin campaign ran their recall election. Only 7 percent of San Franciscans are registered republicans, while there was some conservative outside funding this wasn’t some sinister outside take down. Trump wasn’t flying in to appoint the new DA, London Breed would get to pick a new DA.
People are sick of car break ins, sick of open air drug markets, sick of crazy homeless people running around doing whatever they want, sick of burglaries and package thefts. The Asian American community feels like they aren’t being heard.
I spent the last few years living in Polk Gulch, kind of the intersection of Pac Heights, Nob Hill, with spill over from the tenderloin. I felt like I was gaslighted with the reports that crime is down under Boudin based on what I have witnessed, and anecdotal evidence from my friends. The vast majority of shit never even gets reported. I voted to recall, all of my friends did as well, I guess according to Chesa Boudin supporters I’m no longer a Democrat but whatever.
Breed no longer has a scape goat to hide behind so she better get to fixing or her political ambitions might be blown up next.
Are San Franciscans as besieged with white guilt as Seattleites or Portlanders? If so, SF is fucked, regardless.
The Asian American demographic which is maybe more than a third of the city certainly isn’t. They have more voting power than in Seattle or Portland. The white democratic vote is probably 50/50 between those who would essentially be categorized as the Democratic Socialist / Progressive Sawant type liberals and those like myself who would categorize themselves as more moderate democrats at this point.
Boudin only got like 39 percent of the vote when he won, the two moderate candidates who received more than 50 percent of the vote took enough votes from each other that it allowed for Boudin to win with a minority of the votes in a ranked voting system. He decided this than give him a mandate to run with his SJW reformist agenda when really that’s not what the majority of the city was interested in. The recall is the result.
Locally the majority of people really only care about three things at this point, Homelessness, property crime, and building more housing both affordable and otherwise. There was recently a state senate vote for half of the city and the guy who ran his campaign based on those three things crushed the more progressive gay Hispanic candidate from the mission who ran on NIMBYism and anti gentrification. Guy didn’t even win the neighborhood he grew up in.
Thank you for wanting an honest engagement but there is no such thing as a moderate democrat these days. That kind of opinion can get you put into solitary confinement today.
Eh that may or may not be true. I think a lot of people would say the same for republicans, maybe not on this forum but you get my point. I’m just providing my perspective as someone who has lived in SF for a decade and is a democrat who supported the recall, instead of the hot takes you see on MSNBC or Fox News.
I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently. Score Republican. Not even close.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance. Moderate dem or republican. We already have pretty much universal background checks. Texas shooter passed it. Now Red Flag laws would be fine if we could trust the government (dems) but we can't. Hell, the dazzler thinks I'm a white nationalist and white supremacist. Now way he wouldn't Red Flag me.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity. Christianity doesn't cost me a dime. Woke leftards cost me thousands of dollars a year. I'm for limited abortion. Not a voting issue for me.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue. Universal minimum wage is a commie dream, especially with open borders and turning the US into the world's welfare magnet. All you would actually get with a large universal minimum wage would be less employment and just an increase in our already massive welfare programs.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would. The ultra rich already pay far more than their "fair share". There was nothing wrong with the US economy in March of 2020 with record increases in real wages for the middle class. Feel free to tell me how Mark Zuckerberg's wealth is costing me anything. Any wealth tax on Bill Gates isn't going to do spit for anyone except punish Bill Gates and cost the US capital and jobs.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time. Another strawman ass phuck. If you have gone to school, you learned about slavery, the Civil War, Jim Crow, the Civil Rights struggle and Act and Martin Luther King Jr. No one is suppressing the teaching of US history except for the left who wants indoctrination and not education.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea. Moderate Republican if not an actual White supremacist supporting white institutional racism.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me.
The fact that you voted for Biden and now unexpectedly think he has done a poor job means that you didn't go through your list of policy issues and make a rational choice. Bob asked if you voted for Mittens and we probably already know the answer to that one.
I really don't understand why you are riding him so hard. He's been open, honest, cordial and frankly reasonable. More than I can say for the usual suspects.
Like Race and DoogBot, I often find myself left-of-center whenever I do those online questionnaires. But you wouldn't know that from my posting history.
As for 'moderate' democrats I draw a line between establishment, corporate democrats and those more populist and free thinking. The establishment dems use wokeism disingenuously as a tool- basically massive fucking hypocrites. The far left actually believe that shit. It all appears to be beginning to finally backfire in their faces. And frankly we need reasonable Democrats to stand up and tell them all to fuck off.
Belittling someone is a strange way to build a coalition. It's time to step back - if only for a moment - and let Bill Mahar-types chastise their own. Better late than never. Even if there are issues we will never find common ground on, so what?
Exactly. That's why I didn't expect Edwin to explain some pretty basic stuff, like why he would vote for an anti-American anti-free enterprise dementia patient over Trump. Ed likes $6 a gallon gas? Average 30 year mortgage rate just hit 5.2% up from under 3% when the dementia patient got elected. I don't think phucking over working Americans is moderate at all. So, a $300,000 30 year fixed mortgage is $1,265 a month at 3.0% and $1,647 a month at 5.2% or just about $4,600 a year in increased costs for a shitty basic starter home or a small condo. Average home price in Portland is now $550,000. A moderate republican would say build more houses with less regulations. A moderate democrat votes for dems who want no new single residential developments.
All joking aside, I heard a report a couple months ago how Bay Area Chinese and some Japanese and Koreans were getting political and going "MAGA" because they're disgusted by how the state/city are being run. The report focused on the Chinese saying how they usually don't like to get active politically but things have gotten way out of hand.
Anecdotally this is true, Chinese American highschool kid I tutored in the city and all his buddies have turned pretty MAGA.
But it was incredibly disingenuous the way the Boudin campaign ran their recall election. Only 7 percent of San Franciscans are registered republicans, while there was some conservative outside funding this wasn’t some sinister outside take down. Trump wasn’t flying in to appoint the new DA, London Breed would get to pick a new DA.
People are sick of car break ins, sick of open air drug markets, sick of crazy homeless people running around doing whatever they want, sick of burglaries and package thefts. The Asian American community feels like they aren’t being heard.
I spent the last few years living in Polk Gulch, kind of the intersection of Pac Heights, Nob Hill, with spill over from the tenderloin. I felt like I was gaslighted with the reports that crime is down under Boudin based on what I have witnessed, and anecdotal evidence from my friends. The vast majority of shit never even gets reported. I voted to recall, all of my friends did as well, I guess according to Chesa Boudin supporters I’m no longer a Democrat but whatever.
Breed no longer has a scape goat to hide behind so she better get to fixing or her political ambitions might be blown up next.
Are San Franciscans as besieged with white guilt as Seattleites or Portlanders? If so, SF is fucked, regardless.
The Asian American demographic which is maybe more than a third of the city certainly isn’t. They have more voting power than in Seattle or Portland. The white democratic vote is probably 50/50 between those who would essentially be categorized as the Democratic Socialist / Progressive Sawant type liberals and those like myself who would categorize themselves as more moderate democrats at this point.
Boudin only got like 39 percent of the vote when he won, the two moderate candidates who received more than 50 percent of the vote took enough votes from each other that it allowed for Boudin to win with a minority of the votes in a ranked voting system. He decided this than give him a mandate to run with his SJW reformist agenda when really that’s not what the majority of the city was interested in. The recall is the result.
Locally the majority of people really only care about three things at this point, Homelessness, property crime, and building more housing both affordable and otherwise. There was recently a state senate vote for half of the city and the guy who ran his campaign based on those three things crushed the more progressive gay Hispanic candidate from the mission who ran on NIMBYism and anti gentrification. Guy didn’t even win the neighborhood he grew up in.
Thank you for wanting an honest engagement but there is no such thing as a moderate democrat these days. That kind of opinion can get you put into solitary confinement today.
Eh that may or may not be true. I think a lot of people would say the same for republicans, maybe not on this forum but you get my point. I’m just providing my perspective as someone who has lived in SF for a decade and is a democrat who supported the recall, instead of the hot takes you see on MSNBC or Fox News.
There are Republicans that support abortion rights. I know because I am one. There are no Rats who oppose abortion. The party doesn't even allow anyone with that position to speak at the party convention. What qualifies you as a moderate?
I’m at work, not really trying to debate the perceived differences between a moderate and liberal democrat. If you want to call me a rat commie George Soros loving dem because I voted for Biden over trump feel free.
Once again, I was only really coming through to provide some perspective, whether you agree or disagree is entirely up to you. This forum is very one sided politically so thought you all might find what I have to say as a resident of SF with a different political perspective interesting. Cheers.
You can call yourself a unicorn but, without proof of a horn, you’re just a horse.
I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me.
Measured and reasonable. You are a person I could have a beer with, disagree on shit, but would still take you to the titty bar and buy you a lap dance. Bearswiin, HHusky and all of them are too retarded. Plus I wouldn't want to be seen with dorks.
He phucking voted for a dementia patient based on feelz. He only sort of engaged after I had to pressure him. He has mouthed some sane points, but he still votes on feelz. I'm not trying to build a coalition based on feelz, I'm trying to get supposedly educated Americans to vote based on the facts and their issue priorities. Your free to give him a hug and a ribbon.
I think the door is starting to open on Mahar, but he has a long way to go before he would vote for DeSantis. Tulsi was on Tucker, and sounded totally red pilled about January 6. She still has a way to go in my book so I don't think she is still using her Feelz on global warming and gun control.
I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently. Score Republican. Not even close.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance. Moderate dem or republican. We already have pretty much universal background checks. Texas shooter passed it. Now Red Flag laws would be fine if we could trust the government (dems) but we can't. Hell, the dazzler thinks I'm a white nationalist and white supremacist. Now way he wouldn't Red Flag me.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity. Christianity doesn't cost me a dime. Woke leftards cost me thousands of dollars a year. I'm for limited abortion. Not a voting issue for me.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue. Universal minimum wage is a commie dream, especially with open borders and turning the US into the world's welfare magnet. All you would actually get with a large universal minimum wage would be less employment and just an increase in our already massive welfare programs.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would. The ultra rich already pay far more than their "fair share". There was nothing wrong with the US economy in March of 2020 with record increases in real wages for the middle class. Feel free to tell me how Mark Zuckerberg's wealth is costing me anything. Any wealth tax on Bill Gates isn't going to do spit for anyone except punish Bill Gates and cost the US capital and jobs.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time. Another strawman ass phuck. If you have gone to school, you learned about slavery, the Civil War, Jim Crow, the Civil Rights struggle and Act and Martin Luther King Jr. No one is suppressing the teaching of US history except for the left who wants indoctrination and not education.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea. Moderate Republican if not an actual White supremacist supporting white institutional racism.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me.
The fact that you voted for Biden and now unexpectedly think he has done a poor job means that you didn't go through your list of policy issues and make a rational choice. Bob asked if you voted for Mittens and we probably already know the answer to that one.
I really don't understand why you are riding him so hard. He's been open, honest, cordial and frankly reasonable. More than I can say for the usual suspects.
Like Race and DoogBot, I often find myself left-of-center whenever I do those online questionnaires. But you wouldn't know that from my posting history.
As for 'moderate' democrats I draw a line between establishment, corporate democrats and those more populist and free thinking. The establishment dems use wokeism disingenuously as a tool- basically massive fucking hypocrites. The far left actually believe that shit. It all appears to be beginning to finally backfire in their faces. And frankly we need reasonable Democrats to stand up and tell them all to fuck off.
Belittling someone is a strange way to build a coalition. It's time to step back - if only for a moment - and let Bill Mahar-types chastise their own. Better late than never. Even if there are issues we will never find common ground on, so what?
All joking aside, I heard a report a couple months ago how Bay Area Chinese and some Japanese and Koreans were getting political and going "MAGA" because they're disgusted by how the state/city are being run. The report focused on the Chinese saying how they usually don't like to get active politically but things have gotten way out of hand.
Anecdotally this is true, Chinese American highschool kid I tutored in the city and all his buddies have turned pretty MAGA.
But it was incredibly disingenuous the way the Boudin campaign ran their recall election. Only 7 percent of San Franciscans are registered republicans, while there was some conservative outside funding this wasn’t some sinister outside take down. Trump wasn’t flying in to appoint the new DA, London Breed would get to pick a new DA.
People are sick of car break ins, sick of open air drug markets, sick of crazy homeless people running around doing whatever they want, sick of burglaries and package thefts. The Asian American community feels like they aren’t being heard.
I spent the last few years living in Polk Gulch, kind of the intersection of Pac Heights, Nob Hill, with spill over from the tenderloin. I felt like I was gaslighted with the reports that crime is down under Boudin based on what I have witnessed, and anecdotal evidence from my friends. The vast majority of shit never even gets reported. I voted to recall, all of my friends did as well, I guess according to Chesa Boudin supporters I’m no longer a Democrat but whatever.
Breed no longer has a scape goat to hide behind so she better get to fixing or her political ambitions might be blown up next.
Are San Franciscans as besieged with white guilt as Seattleites or Portlanders? If so, SF is fucked, regardless.
The Asian American demographic which is maybe more than a third of the city certainly isn’t. They have more voting power than in Seattle or Portland. The white democratic vote is probably 50/50 between those who would essentially be categorized as the Democratic Socialist / Progressive Sawant type liberals and those like myself who would categorize themselves as more moderate democrats at this point.
Boudin only got like 39 percent of the vote when he won, the two moderate candidates who received more than 50 percent of the vote took enough votes from each other that it allowed for Boudin to win with a minority of the votes in a ranked voting system. He decided this than give him a mandate to run with his SJW reformist agenda when really that’s not what the majority of the city was interested in. The recall is the result.
Locally the majority of people really only care about three things at this point, Homelessness, property crime, and building more housing both affordable and otherwise. There was recently a state senate vote for half of the city and the guy who ran his campaign based on those three things crushed the more progressive gay Hispanic candidate from the mission who ran on NIMBYism and anti gentrification. Guy didn’t even win the neighborhood he grew up in.
Thank you for wanting an honest engagement but there is no such thing as a moderate democrat these days. That kind of opinion can get you put into solitary confinement today.
Eh that may or may not be true. I think a lot of people would say the same for republicans, maybe not on this forum but you get my point. I’m just providing my perspective as someone who has lived in SF for a decade and is a democrat who supported the recall, instead of the hot takes you see on MSNBC or Fox News.
So a democrat with a brain.
No offense, maybe that had some semblance of logic 30 years ago but anyone voting for any demonrat today has no brain and is my enemy.
Edit: I know that sounds intolerant but If you don't know what puts you in peril, you're not a very intellgent person. Edwin claims he's in peril because someone is going to force religion upon him. That's not logical in any way.
I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently. Score Republican. Not even close.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance. Moderate dem or republican. We already have pretty much universal background checks. Texas shooter passed it. Now Red Flag laws would be fine if we could trust the government (dems) but we can't. Hell, the dazzler thinks I'm a white nationalist and white supremacist. Now way he wouldn't Red Flag me.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity. Christianity doesn't cost me a dime. Woke leftards cost me thousands of dollars a year. I'm for limited abortion. Not a voting issue for me.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue. Universal minimum wage is a commie dream, especially with open borders and turning the US into the world's welfare magnet. All you would actually get with a large universal minimum wage would be less employment and just an increase in our already massive welfare programs.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would. The ultra rich already pay far more than their "fair share". There was nothing wrong with the US economy in March of 2020 with record increases in real wages for the middle class. Feel free to tell me how Mark Zuckerberg's wealth is costing me anything. Any wealth tax on Bill Gates isn't going to do spit for anyone except punish Bill Gates and cost the US capital and jobs.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time. Another strawman ass phuck. If you have gone to school, you learned about slavery, the Civil War, Jim Crow, the Civil Rights struggle and Act and Martin Luther King Jr. No one is suppressing the teaching of US history except for the left who wants indoctrination and not education.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea. Moderate Republican if not an actual White supremacist supporting white institutional racism.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me.
The fact that you voted for Biden and now unexpectedly think he has done a poor job means that you didn't go through your list of policy issues and make a rational choice. Bob asked if you voted for Mittens and we probably already know the answer to that one.
I really don't understand why you are riding him so hard. He's been open, honest, cordial and frankly reasonable. More than I can say for the usual suspects.
Like Race and DoogBot, I often find myself left-of-center whenever I do those online questionnaires. But you wouldn't know that from my posting history.
As for 'moderate' democrats I draw a line between establishment, corporate democrats and those more populist and free thinking. The establishment dems use wokeism disingenuously as a tool- basically massive fucking hypocrites. The far left actually believe that shit. It all appears to be beginning to finally backfire in their faces. And frankly we need reasonable Democrats to stand up and tell them all to fuck off.
Belittling someone is a strange way to build a coalition. It's time to step back - if only for a moment - and let Bill Mahar-types chastise their own. Better late than never. Even if there are issues we will never find common ground on, so what?
He phucking voted for a dementia patient based on feelz. He only sort of engaged after I had to pressure him. He has mouthed some sane points, but he still votes on feelz. I'm not trying to build a coalition based on feelz, I'm trying to get supposedly educated Americans to vote based on the facts and their issue priorities. Your free to give him a hug and a ribbon.
I think the door is starting to open on Mahar, but he has a long way to go before he would vote for DeSantis. Tulsi was on Tucker, and sounded totally red pilled about January 6. She still has a way to go in my book so I don't think she is still using her Feelz on global warming and gun control.
I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently. Score Republican. Not even close.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance. Moderate dem or republican. We already have pretty much universal background checks. Texas shooter passed it. Now Red Flag laws would be fine if we could trust the government (dems) but we can't. Hell, the dazzler thinks I'm a white nationalist and white supremacist. Now way he wouldn't Red Flag me.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity. Christianity doesn't cost me a dime. Woke leftards cost me thousands of dollars a year. I'm for limited abortion. Not a voting issue for me.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue. Universal minimum wage is a commie dream, especially with open borders and turning the US into the world's welfare magnet. All you would actually get with a large universal minimum wage would be less employment and just an increase in our already massive welfare programs.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would. The ultra rich already pay far more than their "fair share". There was nothing wrong with the US economy in March of 2020 with record increases in real wages for the middle class. Feel free to tell me how Mark Zuckerberg's wealth is costing me anything. Any wealth tax on Bill Gates isn't going to do spit for anyone except punish Bill Gates and cost the US capital and jobs.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time. Another strawman ass phuck. If you have gone to school, you learned about slavery, the Civil War, Jim Crow, the Civil Rights struggle and Act and Martin Luther King Jr. No one is suppressing the teaching of US history except for the left who wants indoctrination and not education.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea. Moderate Republican if not an actual White supremacist supporting white institutional racism.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me.
The fact that you voted for Biden and now unexpectedly think he has done a poor job means that you didn't go through your list of policy issues and make a rational choice. Bob asked if you voted for Mittens and we probably already know the answer to that one.
I really don't understand why you are riding him so hard. He's been open, honest, cordial and frankly reasonable. More than I can say for the usual suspects.
Like Race and DoogBot, I often find myself left-of-center whenever I do those online questionnaires. But you wouldn't know that from my posting history.
As for 'moderate' democrats I draw a line between establishment, corporate democrats and those more populist and free thinking. The establishment dems use wokeism disingenuously as a tool- basically massive fucking hypocrites. The far left actually believe that shit. It all appears to be beginning to finally backfire in their faces. And frankly we need reasonable Democrats to stand up and tell them all to fuck off.
Belittling someone is a strange way to build a coalition. It's time to step back - if only for a moment - and let Bill Mahar-types chastise their own. Better late than never. Even if there are issues we will never find common ground on, so what?
Today's Democrats are like women - creatures of emotion. As with women, you don't get the true benefits until you learn how to deal with the emotions. You aren't dealing w an avowed fuck-stick like Kobe or HH.
People are coming around. They need to be welcomed not chastised.
Remember, it was said about Lincoln after he was shot, "The South lost the best friend it ever had." That's because he wasn't going to treat them vindictively in as his primary purpose was to heal the nation.
If you still think it's prudent to be a sour-ass, more power to you. Good luck.
I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently. Score Republican. Not even close.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance. Moderate dem or republican. We already have pretty much universal background checks. Texas shooter passed it. Now Red Flag laws would be fine if we could trust the government (dems) but we can't. Hell, the dazzler thinks I'm a white nationalist and white supremacist. Now way he wouldn't Red Flag me.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity. Christianity doesn't cost me a dime. Woke leftards cost me thousands of dollars a year. I'm for limited abortion. Not a voting issue for me.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue. Universal minimum wage is a commie dream, especially with open borders and turning the US into the world's welfare magnet. All you would actually get with a large universal minimum wage would be less employment and just an increase in our already massive welfare programs.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would. The ultra rich already pay far more than their "fair share". There was nothing wrong with the US economy in March of 2020 with record increases in real wages for the middle class. Feel free to tell me how Mark Zuckerberg's wealth is costing me anything. Any wealth tax on Bill Gates isn't going to do spit for anyone except punish Bill Gates and cost the US capital and jobs.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time. Another strawman ass phuck. If you have gone to school, you learned about slavery, the Civil War, Jim Crow, the Civil Rights struggle and Act and Martin Luther King Jr. No one is suppressing the teaching of US history except for the left who wants indoctrination and not education.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea. Moderate Republican if not an actual White supremacist supporting white institutional racism.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me.
The fact that you voted for Biden and now unexpectedly think he has done a poor job means that you didn't go through your list of policy issues and make a rational choice. Bob asked if you voted for Mittens and we probably already know the answer to that one.
I really don't understand why you are riding him so hard. He's been open, honest, cordial and frankly reasonable. More than I can say for the usual suspects.
Like Race and DoogBot, I often find myself left-of-center whenever I do those online questionnaires. But you wouldn't know that from my posting history.
As for 'moderate' democrats I draw a line between establishment, corporate democrats and those more populist and free thinking. The establishment dems use wokeism disingenuously as a tool- basically massive fucking hypocrites. The far left actually believe that shit. It all appears to be beginning to finally backfire in their faces. And frankly we need reasonable Democrats to stand up and tell them all to fuck off.
Belittling someone is a strange way to build a coalition. It's time to step back - if only for a moment - and let Bill Mahar-types chastise their own. Better late than never. Even if there are issues we will never find common ground on, so what?
I'll disagree. A vote for the dementia patient wasn't cool, wasn't an example of superior intellect and it wasn't a morally superior act. That's true and it isn't sour in the slightest. Telling me they don't hate Israel and then vote for Cho Bai Den for nor articulable reason isn't getting us to the finish line. As someone once said, "You either do, or do not".
He phucking voted for a dementia patient based on feelz. He only sort of engaged after I had to pressure him. He has mouthed some sane points, but he still votes on feelz. I'm not trying to build a coalition based on feelz, I'm trying to get supposedly educated Americans to vote based on the facts and their issue priorities. Your free to give him a hug and a ribbon.
I think the door is starting to open on Mahar, but he has a long way to go before he would vote for DeSantis. Tulsi was on Tucker, and sounded totally red pilled about January 6. She still has a way to go in my book so I don't think she is still using her Feelz on global warming and gun control.
I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently. Score Republican. Not even close.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance. Moderate dem or republican. We already have pretty much universal background checks. Texas shooter passed it. Now Red Flag laws would be fine if we could trust the government (dems) but we can't. Hell, the dazzler thinks I'm a white nationalist and white supremacist. Now way he wouldn't Red Flag me.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity. Christianity doesn't cost me a dime. Woke leftards cost me thousands of dollars a year. I'm for limited abortion. Not a voting issue for me.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue. Universal minimum wage is a commie dream, especially with open borders and turning the US into the world's welfare magnet. All you would actually get with a large universal minimum wage would be less employment and just an increase in our already massive welfare programs.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would. The ultra rich already pay far more than their "fair share". There was nothing wrong with the US economy in March of 2020 with record increases in real wages for the middle class. Feel free to tell me how Mark Zuckerberg's wealth is costing me anything. Any wealth tax on Bill Gates isn't going to do spit for anyone except punish Bill Gates and cost the US capital and jobs.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time. Another strawman ass phuck. If you have gone to school, you learned about slavery, the Civil War, Jim Crow, the Civil Rights struggle and Act and Martin Luther King Jr. No one is suppressing the teaching of US history except for the left who wants indoctrination and not education.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea. Moderate Republican if not an actual White supremacist supporting white institutional racism.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me.
The fact that you voted for Biden and now unexpectedly think he has done a poor job means that you didn't go through your list of policy issues and make a rational choice. Bob asked if you voted for Mittens and we probably already know the answer to that one.
I really don't understand why you are riding him so hard. He's been open, honest, cordial and frankly reasonable. More than I can say for the usual suspects.
Like Race and DoogBot, I often find myself left-of-center whenever I do those online questionnaires. But you wouldn't know that from my posting history.
As for 'moderate' democrats I draw a line between establishment, corporate democrats and those more populist and free thinking. The establishment dems use wokeism disingenuously as a tool- basically massive fucking hypocrites. The far left actually believe that shit. It all appears to be beginning to finally backfire in their faces. And frankly we need reasonable Democrats to stand up and tell them all to fuck off.
Belittling someone is a strange way to build a coalition. It's time to step back - if only for a moment - and let Bill Mahar-types chastise their own. Better late than never. Even if there are issues we will never find common ground on, so what?
Today's Democrats are like women - creatures of emotion. As with women, you don't get the true benefits until you learn how to deal with the emotions. You aren't dealing w an avowed fuck-stick like Kobe or HH.
People are coming around. They need to be welcomed not chastised.
Remember, it was said about Lincoln after he was shot, "The South lost the best friend it ever had." That's because he wasn't going to treat them vindictively in as his primary purpose was to heal the nation.
If you still think it's prudent to be a sour-ass, more power to you. Good luck.
I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently. Score Republican. Not even close.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance. Moderate dem or republican. We already have pretty much universal background checks. Texas shooter passed it. Now Red Flag laws would be fine if we could trust the government (dems) but we can't. Hell, the dazzler thinks I'm a white nationalist and white supremacist. Now way he wouldn't Red Flag me.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity. Christianity doesn't cost me a dime. Woke leftards cost me thousands of dollars a year. I'm for limited abortion. Not a voting issue for me.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue. Universal minimum wage is a commie dream, especially with open borders and turning the US into the world's welfare magnet. All you would actually get with a large universal minimum wage would be less employment and just an increase in our already massive welfare programs.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would. The ultra rich already pay far more than their "fair share". There was nothing wrong with the US economy in March of 2020 with record increases in real wages for the middle class. Feel free to tell me how Mark Zuckerberg's wealth is costing me anything. Any wealth tax on Bill Gates isn't going to do spit for anyone except punish Bill Gates and cost the US capital and jobs.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time. Another strawman ass phuck. If you have gone to school, you learned about slavery, the Civil War, Jim Crow, the Civil Rights struggle and Act and Martin Luther King Jr. No one is suppressing the teaching of US history except for the left who wants indoctrination and not education.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea. Moderate Republican if not an actual White supremacist supporting white institutional racism.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me.
The fact that you voted for Biden and now unexpectedly think he has done a poor job means that you didn't go through your list of policy issues and make a rational choice. Bob asked if you voted for Mittens and we probably already know the answer to that one.
I really don't understand why you are riding him so hard. He's been open, honest, cordial and frankly reasonable. More than I can say for the usual suspects.
Like Race and DoogBot, I often find myself left-of-center whenever I do those online questionnaires. But you wouldn't know that from my posting history.
As for 'moderate' democrats I draw a line between establishment, corporate democrats and those more populist and free thinking. The establishment dems use wokeism disingenuously as a tool- basically massive fucking hypocrites. The far left actually believe that shit. It all appears to be beginning to finally backfire in their faces. And frankly we need reasonable Democrats to stand up and tell them all to fuck off.
Belittling someone is a strange way to build a coalition. It's time to step back - if only for a moment - and let Bill Mahar-types chastise their own. Better late than never. Even if there are issues we will never find common ground on, so what?
BINGO. WTF are they waiting for? Scared of AOC & the Squad?
Those folks stood back and let all this shit happen.
I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently. Score Republican. Not even close.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance. Moderate dem or republican. We already have pretty much universal background checks. Texas shooter passed it. Now Red Flag laws would be fine if we could trust the government (dems) but we can't. Hell, the dazzler thinks I'm a white nationalist and white supremacist. Now way he wouldn't Red Flag me.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity. Christianity doesn't cost me a dime. Woke leftards cost me thousands of dollars a year. I'm for limited abortion. Not a voting issue for me.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue. Universal minimum wage is a commie dream, especially with open borders and turning the US into the world's welfare magnet. All you would actually get with a large universal minimum wage would be less employment and just an increase in our already massive welfare programs.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would. The ultra rich already pay far more than their "fair share". There was nothing wrong with the US economy in March of 2020 with record increases in real wages for the middle class. Feel free to tell me how Mark Zuckerberg's wealth is costing me anything. Any wealth tax on Bill Gates isn't going to do spit for anyone except punish Bill Gates and cost the US capital and jobs.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time. Another strawman ass phuck. If you have gone to school, you learned about slavery, the Civil War, Jim Crow, the Civil Rights struggle and Act and Martin Luther King Jr. No one is suppressing the teaching of US history except for the left who wants indoctrination and not education.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea. Moderate Republican if not an actual White supremacist supporting white institutional racism.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me.
The fact that you voted for Biden and now unexpectedly think he has done a poor job means that you didn't go through your list of policy issues and make a rational choice. Bob asked if you voted for Mittens and we probably already know the answer to that one.
I really don't understand why you are riding him so hard. He's been open, honest, cordial and frankly reasonable. More than I can say for the usual suspects.
Like Race and DoogBot, I often find myself left-of-center whenever I do those online questionnaires. But you wouldn't know that from my posting history.
As for 'moderate' democrats I draw a line between establishment, corporate democrats and those more populist and free thinking. The establishment dems use wokeism disingenuously as a tool- basically massive fucking hypocrites. The far left actually believe that shit. It all appears to be beginning to finally backfire in their faces. And frankly we need reasonable Democrats to stand up and tell them all to fuck off.
Belittling someone is a strange way to build a coalition. It's time to step back - if only for a moment - and let Bill Mahar-types chastise their own. Better late than never. Even if there are issues we will never find common ground on, so what?
BINGO. WTF are they waiting for? Scared of AOC & the Squad?
Those folks stood back and let all this shit happen.
The 'centrists' are too busy with their day jobs as downvoting faggot shills.
I really hope he explains why he is moderate but given my experience with said moderates I bet he won’t.
I’m happy to provide a few examples. However what I’m pointing out are the differences between the Bernie / AOC / Sawant wing of the party and where I and most people I associate with stand. What is moderate to me, some of you still might find very left wing.
1) I support Israel over Palestine. The left wing of the party would argue that Israel is an apartheid state, I disagree although optically they have done some dumb shit recently. Score Republican. Not even close.
2) I’m for universal back ground checks and more stringent licenses for gun ownership and raising the age of someone who can buy a gun to 21. I don’t want to ban guns or take them away, or even ban AR15s. The left wing of the party would probably be happy to force gun buybacks if they got the chance. Moderate dem or republican. We already have pretty much universal background checks. Texas shooter passed it. Now Red Flag laws would be fine if we could trust the government (dems) but we can't. Hell, the dazzler thinks I'm a white nationalist and white supremacist. Now way he wouldn't Red Flag me.
3) Generally speaking I’m for everyone being able to live their private lives as they so choose as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. I’m not a fan of weaponized wokeism / cancelling everyone on the left, or Christian ideology being forced on people to ban abortion on the right. Religion should stay out of politics. Regardless of if that religion is wokesim or Christianity. Christianity doesn't cost me a dime. Woke leftards cost me thousands of dollars a year. I'm for limited abortion. Not a voting issue for me.
4) I’m for a universal minimum wage but don’t think gig workers who pick and choose when they work should get the benefits of full time employment, as the left would argue. Universal minimum wage is a commie dream, especially with open borders and turning the US into the world's welfare magnet. All you would actually get with a large universal minimum wage would be less employment and just an increase in our already massive welfare programs.
5) I’m pro taxing the ultra wealthy at higher rates than we currently do and closing overseas tax havens. I don’t want taxes as high as Bernie / AOC would. The ultra rich already pay far more than their "fair share". There was nothing wrong with the US economy in March of 2020 with record increases in real wages for the middle class. Feel free to tell me how Mark Zuckerberg's wealth is costing me anything. Any wealth tax on Bill Gates isn't going to do spit for anyone except punish Bill Gates and cost the US capital and jobs.
6) I’m fine with teaching kids the ills of slavery, but cancelling Lincoln or making Jefferson out to be evil is absurd. It was a different time. Another strawman ass phuck. If you have gone to school, you learned about slavery, the Civil War, Jim Crow, the Civil Rights struggle and Act and Martin Luther King Jr. No one is suppressing the teaching of US history except for the left who wants indoctrination and not education.
7) I didn’t vote for Chesa / the left wing of the party would have. Im all for police reform and making sure it is an equitable service for all, demonizing the police as a whole and chanting fuck the POA at your victory is a dumb idea. Moderate Republican if not an actual White supremacist supporting white institutional racism.
The list could go on but those are some differences.
I don’t think Biden has done a good job and I think he will get smoked in 2024. It would be better for the democrats if he decided not to run again and they could find a younger more engaging candidate, I don’t think that will happen. I think it would be smarter for the republicans to nominate De Santis than Trump just do to his baggage, and easier to paint De Santis as the young vibrant candidate but that’s just me.
The fact that you voted for Biden and now unexpectedly think he has done a poor job means that you didn't go through your list of policy issues and make a rational choice. Bob asked if you voted for Mittens and we probably already know the answer to that one.
I really don't understand why you are riding him so hard. He's been open, honest, cordial and frankly reasonable. More than I can say for the usual suspects.
Like Race and DoogBot, I often find myself left-of-center whenever I do those online questionnaires. But you wouldn't know that from my posting history.
As for 'moderate' democrats I draw a line between establishment, corporate democrats and those more populist and free thinking. The establishment dems use wokeism disingenuously as a tool- basically massive fucking hypocrites. The far left actually believe that shit. It all appears to be beginning to finally backfire in their faces. And frankly we need reasonable Democrats to stand up and tell them all to fuck off.
Belittling someone is a strange way to build a coalition. It's time to step back - if only for a moment - and let Bill Mahar-types chastise their own. Better late than never. Even if there are issues we will never find common ground on, so what?
BINGO. WTF are they waiting for? Scared of AOC & the Squad?
Those folks stood back and let all this shit happen.
The 'centrists' are too busy with their day jobs as downvoting faggot shills.
Those of us that voted for Trump told the GOP establishment to fuck off. Until “moderates” start doing the same they’re just spouting feel goods and making excuses.
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Like Race and DoogBot, I often find myself left-of-center whenever I do those online questionnaires. But you wouldn't know that from my posting history.
As for 'moderate' democrats I draw a line between establishment, corporate democrats and those more populist and free thinking. The establishment dems use wokeism disingenuously as a tool- basically massive fucking hypocrites. The far left actually believe that shit. It all appears to be beginning to finally backfire in their faces. And frankly we need reasonable Democrats to stand up and tell them all to fuck off.
Belittling someone is a strange way to build a coalition. It's time to step back - if only for a moment - and let Bill Mahar-types chastise their own. Better late than never. Even if there are issues we will never find common ground on, so what?
I think the door is starting to open on Mahar, but he has a long way to go before he would vote for DeSantis. Tulsi was on Tucker, and sounded totally red pilled about January 6. She still has a way to go in my book so I don't think she is still using her Feelz on global warming and gun control.
Edit: I know that sounds intolerant but If you don't know what puts you in peril, you're not a very intellgent person. Edwin claims he's in peril because someone is going to force religion upon him. That's not logical in any way.
People are coming around. They need to be welcomed not chastised.
Remember, it was said about Lincoln after he was shot, "The South lost the best friend it ever had." That's because he wasn't going to treat them vindictively in as his primary purpose was to heal the nation.
If you still think it's prudent to be a sour-ass, more power to you. Good luck.
Those folks stood back and let all this shit happen.