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  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    edited May 2022
    Even if roe v wade is overturned (not likely) there will be workarounds



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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,332
    One million you heartless bastards.

    https://www.elle.com/culture/a12445676/the-leftover-embryo-crisis/
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,273
    edited May 2022
    WestlinnDuck said:

    creepycoug said:

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    I get tired of the media fueled abortion debate but how is limiting it to the first 20 weeks unreasonable?

    20 weeks is way too long. 12 should be the max. Hell France only allows 10 weeks.
    Allow 0 weeks. I didn't think about abortion that much until I had kids. Could never imagine killing them. If you can you need help.
    I think a decent compromise is to allow it but restrict it to 8-12 weeks.
    I can't call killing a child a compromise because we cut some time off. A compromise is have the kid and put it up for adoption.
    Sleddy is right on this one. Can’t compromise a murder of an innocent person. That’s non-sense when you really think about it. It’s a person or it’s not. Or draw me a line that is at least thought provoking. So far I’ve seen none.
    Miss a period and take a pill and have a miscarriage. I don't have a problem drawing the line there.
    I do. Adherence to the uterus is a version of the spatial location argument. Who cares where it is? Extending that logic, aborting 10 seconds before birth is ok and 10 seconds after is not. Adherence is a version of the viability argument, which is also nonsense. That's silly. What matters is that x and y got together at conception and the human flag dropped. From that point on, it's just a matter of cooking time.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,273
    RaceBannon said:

    creepycoug said:

    TurdBomber said:

    Adding to Creepy's logic-based explanation is the fact that premature babies commonly survive at ever more shorter gestation periods than in 1973

    Bingo. Someone gets it. Viability is a moving target. Personhood is not.

    Not an item for state choice. Law of the land. We're a country or we're not.
    I'm not even a pretend lawyer but doesn't the constitution leave to the state that which is not enshrined as a federal responsibility?

    I agree that the democrats have used state's rights for slavery to Jim Crow to ignoring Federal immigration law

    Slavery was left to the states originally but Crow and immigration were not

    Before Roe many state's had legislated abortion as legal. The Supremes let that stand

    My folks got married late and had kids late especially for the 50's. I was in grade school and my parents were mid 40's when mom got pregnant again. She had a miscarriage and our concern was for her not the lost brother or sister. Of course I'm a sociopath so that helps

    Anyway the only hospital in town was catholic so I doubt she got a secret abortion. Just lost the kid

    I may have a point or I may not
    Upvoted out of respeck, but I don't care about what the SCOTUS does or does not do. A flawed institution, as we know. The constitution surely protects the life of an innocent person under one or more theories of jurisprudence.

    Here, at conception, we have a person deserving of the same constitutional protections enjoyed even by a child of immigrants like me. It's that simple. It will never be the case that you can murder someone in cold blood in Oregon and not in Washington (although if there were ever a state that would try to go that far off the rails, it would be our nutty brothers to the south). We know that's nonsense. Ergo, abortion in Oregon but not in Texas is also nonsense.

    It's murder or it's not. It is. Therefore, law of the land. I rest my case.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,273
    HHusky said:

    Sorry to have interrupted your weepy, sentimental circle jerk. The point stands. We have an entire fertility industry that includes freezing pre-born human life. Papists are right, I hear. What is to be done?

    So long as those frozen persons are not discarded and are eventually given the chance to develop in the/a womb, I see no issue here.

    Discarding them would be murder of Holocaust proportions. Can't do it.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,332
    creepycoug said:

    HHusky said:

    Sorry to have interrupted your weepy, sentimental circle jerk. The point stands. We have an entire fertility industry that includes freezing pre-born human life. Papists are right, I hear. What is to be done?

    So long as those frozen persons are not discarded and are eventually given the chance to develop in the/a womb, I see no issue here.

    Discarding them would be murder of Holocaust proportions. Can't do it.
    I believe they get murdered if you don't pay the storage fees.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,273
    HHusky said:

    creepycoug said:

    HHusky said:

    Sorry to have interrupted your weepy, sentimental circle jerk. The point stands. We have an entire fertility industry that includes freezing pre-born human life. Papists are right, I hear. What is to be done?

    So long as those frozen persons are not discarded and are eventually given the chance to develop in the/a womb, I see no issue here.

    Discarding them would be murder of Holocaust proportions. Can't do it.
    I believe they get murdered if you don't pay the storage fees.
    Then those people should be held to full account. I would not take the death penalty off the table either.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,332
    creepycoug said:

    HHusky said:

    creepycoug said:

    HHusky said:

    Sorry to have interrupted your weepy, sentimental circle jerk. The point stands. We have an entire fertility industry that includes freezing pre-born human life. Papists are right, I hear. What is to be done?

    So long as those frozen persons are not discarded and are eventually given the chance to develop in the/a womb, I see no issue here.

    Discarding them would be murder of Holocaust proportions. Can't do it.
    I believe they get murdered if you don't pay the storage fees.
    Then those people should be held to full account. I would not take the death penalty off the table either.
    Do the others know it's satire?
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,435 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    creepycoug said:

    HHusky said:

    creepycoug said:

    HHusky said:

    Sorry to have interrupted your weepy, sentimental circle jerk. The point stands. We have an entire fertility industry that includes freezing pre-born human life. Papists are right, I hear. What is to be done?

    So long as those frozen persons are not discarded and are eventually given the chance to develop in the/a womb, I see no issue here.

    Discarding them would be murder of Holocaust proportions. Can't do it.
    I believe they get murdered if you don't pay the storage fees.
    Then those people should be held to full account. I would not take the death penalty off the table either.
    Do the others know it's satire?
    You mean from the guy that thinks the religious right is a threat more than the leftist gaia religion?

    Nooooo

    Only you are smart enough to see the ruse
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