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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,337
    MikeDamone said:

    creepycoug said:

    RaceBannon said:

    We're not a theocracy

    Trite but true

    I would be crushed if I got a gal preggers and she got an abortion. Against everything I believe in

    Prohibition was also good. Before it Americans were basically drunk if they were awake

    Drugs are bad for you and the country

    But back ally abortion would return and that's bad secular policy

    Prohibition doesn't work. Not even in Iran

    People still murder people but we keep it illegal.

    Back alleys will back alley. It’s a person or it’s not. No line? Then it is. Can’t kill it. Period. No circumstances. The Catholics nailed this one.
    Has there every been an abortion performed in and alley? Front alley or back alley?

    I doubt it.
    Good poont!
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,337
    edited May 2022
    RaceBannon said:

    Technology is the biggest reason the first trimester is BACK

    After that you can't argue it's not life

    I think murder should be legal in some cases as well

    Slow drivers in the fast lane for example

    If a fetus could drive, and drove slow in the fast lane, then that would be my one exception.

    In all states btw.
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,804 Standard Supporter
    In a statement, King County Executive Dow Constantine said he was “disgusted, yet unsurprised.”

    “I believe in and am committed to the right of every woman to make the choice be persuaded that is best for herself and her family, and I will never stop fighting to ensure that abortion and family planning care are available, without barriers and unnecessary restrictions, in King County and Washington State,” Constantine said in prepared remarks.
    Sources said:

    creepycoug said:

    There are some weird takes on this issue. It's one thing to want to protect state's rights, but some things are pretty fundamental. That's why you can't have slaves in some states and not others.

    I've done some thinking about this, and my views have evolved. As much as it sucks to have more derelicts born into society every day and inevitably increase the welfare state, nobody has been able to make a thought-provoking argument to draw the line anywhere. If you can't draw the line, the Catholics are right: at conception. The rest, my body, viability, rape, incest, save the mother, etc, is just mental masturbation. There is no reconciling it. It is morally unacceptable.

    There is literally no justification for it. Human life at conception, period. No ifs, ands or butts. Are you allowed to kill an innocent bystander to save yourself? Or because the bystander has inconvenienced you? Did the fetus rape you? Is the fetus responsible for threatening your life? No, no, no and no.

    States rights is perhaps the most retarded of arguments. We don't leave it to state legislatures to define what life is and where it begins, and we certainly don't leave it to the voters to decide that it's ok to just randomly kill somebody. "Watch out on your vacation to Glacier Sammy! The voters in Montana have approved the right of citizens to randomly kill people that they view as inconvenient." Please. Stop with this business.

    Roe v. Wade should be overturned, and abortion should be ruled unconstitutional throughout the land.

    So, no abortion, ever, in any circumstances. That's the right answer. I can draw no other conclusion.

    I think if you're looking for a clear, brightline rule, this is the one. But I can't help but think at a minimum that people that have had circumstances thrust on them deserve some sort of exception.

    I know rape is the scenario everyone loves to point to because it's extreme, but I think it's a valid example. And quite honestly, I wouldn't want a rapist procreating anyway. Same can be said for minor abuse, etc.

    More broadly, as someone who thinks our population levels are fucked anyway, I'm all for culling the herd a bit. I'm not religious, so I don't worry about any of that side of things,

    For me, the issue is:when does an abortion blur into something that could be considered murder. I land on viability. By then, there's no longer an excuse - plenty of time to have "addressed" the problem and the unborn child is just that - a child.

    YMMV (but if you disagree, fuck off)
    There's likely a bigger risk of population collapse than overpopulating the earth.

    If a baby is not considered viable until 12 weeks - whatever the line is - why can someone be charged with murder of a baby in the womb?
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  • Prestonluv
    Prestonluv Member Posts: 275
    Listen. I'm pro choice.

    But all these women are insistent that this is about controlling women instead of just not wanting to abort a heart beat.

    It's actually pissing me off. I realize there is a chunk of men who want to control women. There is also a chunk who want the baby to be born and don't want to hold women back.

     
    do they not realize that many of these aborted babies are females?  Wouldn’t saving these potential females be considered pro women?
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  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,052 Standard Supporter
    Adding to Creepy's logic-based explanation is the fact that premature babies commonly survive at ever more shorter gestation periods than in 1973, so this problem of when the state's interest overrides the mother's has been bearing down upon the Roe standards and time periods for at least 3 decades now. Lefty-Libs have satisfied themselves for decades by distinguishing between a baby and a fetus. Well, if it can survive outside the womb, then it's a baby folks. A viable, living, human baby. So abortion at that point is, to me, taking a life, and I don't see how any thoughtful person can argue otherwise.

    That said, I think it's a woman's right to choose and if they choose to kill their unborn child, that's up to them. But killing is killing, and there's no way around it IMO.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,433
    There are freezers filled with fertilized ova scattered around the country. All are life.

    Obviously conscription of the female population will be required to carry them.
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  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,052 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    There are freezers filled with fertilized ova scattered around the country. All are life.

    Obviously conscription of the female population will be required to carry them.

    Pipsqueak Beta-Males spoken for.
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  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    I have binders of women, and freezers full of ova
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