Biden wants $33B more to help Ukraine battle Russia

I actually don't have a huge problem with this. The longer the Ukraine war goes, the more likely Russia is to crumble from the inside out. Russia collapsing isn't directly great, because nobody views Russia as an economic threat anyway. The real benefit is indirectly, as it puts a lot more pressure on China. China was gravitating more and more with Russia, thinking they could use Russia to help strongarm military objectives in the south pacific. China now seeing that their new "buddy" is nothing more than a paper army, has to scare the shit out of them. This may force China to calm itself, and realize that it needs to know it's place.

RoadTrip said:

greenblood said:

I actually don't have a huge problem with this. The longer the Ukraine war goes, the more likely Russia is to crumble from the inside out. Russia collapsing isn't directly great, because nobody views Russia as an economic threat anyway. The real benefit is indirectly, as it puts a lot more pressure on China. China was gravitating more and more with Russia, thinking they could use Russia to help strongarm military objectives in the south pacific. China now seeing that their new "buddy" is nothing more than a paper army, has to scare the shit out of them. This may force China to calm itself, and realize that it needs to know it's place.

Do you have a red line number? Why not a trillion dollars? How about $10 trillion? FMfyfe. As if even a fraction of the money is actually going in to fighting Russia. But as long as it makes you feel good.

Remember the trillions we spent on Afghanistan and Iraq? Money well spent. If you are Raytheon.

Lots of cash for everyone. So, if Putin decided to mine the Strait of Hormuz as a retaliation, then what? That would cripple the West. At this point, I don't see the US working to give Putin an off ramp.

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As AP reports, Biden’s latest proposal - which the officials said was expected to last for five months - has more than $20 billion in military assistance for Ukraine and for bolstering defenses in nearby countries.

There is also $8.5 billion in economic aid to help keep Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s government functioning and $3 billion for food and humanitarian programs to help civilians and other spending, said the officials, who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to speak publicly.

The proposal would more than double the initial $13.6 billion package of defense and economic aid for Ukraine and Western allies that Congress enacted last month.

Biden last week warned that $6.5 billion earmarked for security assistance for Ukraine could soon be “exhausted” and that Congress would need to approve supplemental funding. More than half of the approved money for weapons and equipment for Ukraine’s military has already been drawn down.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-live-president-biden-explains-why-ukraine-needs-another-33-billion-us-taxpayer

greenblood said:

RoadTrip said:

greenblood said:

I actually don't have a huge problem with this. The longer the Ukraine war goes, the more likely Russia is to crumble from the inside out. Russia collapsing isn't directly great, because nobody views Russia as an economic threat anyway. The real benefit is indirectly, as it puts a lot more pressure on China. China was gravitating more and more with Russia, thinking they could use Russia to help strongarm military objectives in the south pacific. China now seeing that their new "buddy" is nothing more than a paper army, has to scare the shit out of them. This may force China to calm itself, and realize that it needs to know it's place.

Do you have a red line number? Why not a trillion dollars? How about $10 trillion? FMfyfe. As if even a fraction of the money is actually going in to fighting Russia. But as long as it makes you feel good.

We aren't giving them money directly. Aren't we using this money to provide them with anti tank and anti aircraft missiles? $33B is a drop in the bucket when it comes to the costs facing Russia. If the US can help cripple Russia, it will take an immediate military threat away. Ideally, this can lead to being able to cut back on some military spending, even though we probably won't. I don't have a hardline figure. I think it's LIPO time. We'll spend based on Russia's progress or lack there of.

SFGbob said:

jecornel said:

You think 33 billion will be the last donation? How much is the next one? The government just spent a trillion on covid. At some point people on the edges of society will go nuts. The economy was -1.4% Complete disaster.

What are you talking about? We're loaded. We about ready to forgive rich people's student load debt. We can print money with the best of them.

Thank god that Milton Friedman isn't in charge anymore and the dementia patient has repealed the law of gravity and printing money will no longer be the cause of inflation.

Let's play reverse the players. We are in Iraq and the Russian's are giving long range missiles to Iran who import them into Iraq and then are launching missiles into American military bases in Poland and Germany. They also take out a US aircraft carrier operating in international waters which Russian intelligence identified and located for Iran. What then happens?

SFGbob said:

WestlinnDuck said:

Lots of cash for everyone. So, if Putin decided to mine the Strait of Hormuz as a retaliation, then what? That would cripple the West. At this point, I don't see the US working to give Putin an off ramp.

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As AP reports, Biden’s latest proposal - which the officials said was expected to last for five months - has more than $20 billion in military assistance for Ukraine and for bolstering defenses in nearby countries.

There is also $8.5 billion in economic aid to help keep Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s government functioning and $3 billion for food and humanitarian programs to help civilians and other spending, said the officials, who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to speak publicly.

The proposal would more than double the initial $13.6 billion package of defense and economic aid for Ukraine and Western allies that Congress enacted last month.

Biden last week warned that $6.5 billion earmarked for security assistance for Ukraine could soon be “exhausted” and that Congress would need to approve supplemental funding. More than half of the approved money for weapons and equipment for Ukraine’s military has already been drawn down.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-live-president-biden-explains-why-ukraine-needs-another-33-billion-us-taxpayer

greenblood said:

RoadTrip said:

greenblood said:

I actually don't have a huge problem with this. The longer the Ukraine war goes, the more likely Russia is to crumble from the inside out. Russia collapsing isn't directly great, because nobody views Russia as an economic threat anyway. The real benefit is indirectly, as it puts a lot more pressure on China. China was gravitating more and more with Russia, thinking they could use Russia to help strongarm military objectives in the south pacific. China now seeing that their new "buddy" is nothing more than a paper army, has to scare the shit out of them. This may force China to calm itself, and realize that it needs to know it's place.

Do you have a red line number? Why not a trillion dollars? How about $10 trillion? FMfyfe. As if even a fraction of the money is actually going in to fighting Russia. But as long as it makes you feel good.

We aren't giving them money directly. Aren't we using this money to provide them with anti tank and anti aircraft missiles? $33B is a drop in the bucket when it comes to the costs facing Russia. If the US can help cripple Russia, it will take an immediate military threat away. Ideally, this can lead to being able to cut back on some military spending, even though we probably won't. I don't have a hardline figure. I think it's LIPO time. We'll spend based on Russia's progress or lack there of.

Are we even trying to negotiate a cease fire?

Sledog said:

Biden admin is leaking that they have helped Ukraine by providing tech/intel for killing the generals, sink Moskva etc. They really are trying to start a war.

Yeah that's dumb to admit... we all knew it, but don't announce it you idiots.