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YellowSnow
YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,318 Founders Club

Would you rather 32 votes

Have N.I.L. Wild West?
31%
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Have a set salary cap (kids paid to play directly by the athletic department)?
68%
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  • ntxduck
    ntxduck Member Posts: 6,145
    Have N.I.L. Wild West?

    How would you envision scenario 2 playing out? You think USC and Oregon would play by the rules dictated by what coug and beav can afford?
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,318 Founders Club
    edited April 2022
    Have a set salary cap (kids paid to play directly by the athletic department)?
    ntxduck said:

    How would you envision scenario 2 playing out? You think USC and Oregon would play by the rules dictated by what coug and beav can afford?
    Set salary cap nationally. Say $10,000,000 per year, per school or something like that.

    Move Kewgs and Beavers into Division 2.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    Have a set salary cap (kids paid to play directly by the athletic department)?
    ntxduck said:

    How would you envision scenario 2 playing out? You think USC and Oregon would play by the rules dictated by what coug and beav can afford?
    How does it work in professional sports? NIL is akin to advertising dollars

    Those dollars are more prevalent in some markets more than others

    Not all players want to dog/pony show advertising and marketing … right now you have to do that to get paid
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,805 Founders Club
    The Alliance will probably police themselves to punish for direct pay-for-play (you can't have inducements in a contract, you must show that a player is performing the services paid for).

    The SEC will keep everything the same as it is now unless the networks put pressure on them to do the same.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,560
    Have N.I.L. Wild West?
    haie said:

    The Alliance will probably police themselves to punish for direct pay-for-play (you can't have inducements in a contract, you must show that a player is performing the services paid for).

    The SEC will keep everything the same as it is now unless the networks put pressure on them to do the same.

    The networks work for the SEC not the other way around.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,529 Founders Club

    haie said:

    The Alliance will probably police themselves to punish for direct pay-for-play (you can't have inducements in a contract, you must show that a player is performing the services paid for).

    The SEC will keep everything the same as it is now unless the networks put pressure on them to do the same.

    The networks work for the SEC not the other way around.
    SEC can always shop around
  • dtd
    dtd Member Posts: 5,316 Standard Supporter
    Have a set salary cap (kids paid to play directly by the athletic department)?
    The NCAA continues to kick this can while raking in billions, when they should be the entity regulating and enforcing everything.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,529 Founders Club
    dtd said:

    The NCAA continues to kick this can while raking in billions, when they should be the entity regulating and enforcing everything.

    When push comes to shove, the NCAA has no legal authority, while Emmert is a weak leader.
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,311 Standard Supporter
    Have a set salary cap (kids paid to play directly by the athletic department)?
    Give them their set stipend and call it a day. It's the only possibility of the sport not dissolving in to two super leagues and everyone else is out in the cold. I give it 5 years before the public acknowledgment by Dear Leader Emmert that Bama and Ohio State have left the NCAA and taken 30 other schools with them.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,318 Founders Club
    Have a set salary cap (kids paid to play directly by the athletic department)?

    dtd said:

    The NCAA continues to kick this can while raking in billions, when they should be the entity regulating and enforcing everything.

    When push comes to shove, the NCAA has no legal authority, while Emmert is a weak leader.
    Get college football the fuck out of the NCAA already. Us row peter puffers told them to fuck off over 100 years ago.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,318 Founders Club
    edited April 2022
    Have a set salary cap (kids paid to play directly by the athletic department)?

    Give them their set stipend and call it a day. It's the only possibility of the sport not dissolving in to two super leagues and everyone else is out in the cold. I give it 5 years before the public acknowledgment by Dear Leader Emmert that Bama and Ohio State have left the NCAA and taken 30 other schools with them.

    I hate the idea of professional college football, but it's what everyone seems to want these days, so fuck it.

    But do it fucking right like the NFL. 4 divisions with 32 team league. Salary cap so there still be some degree of parity. Also, scheduling parity.

    College football playoff games are shit as fuck, whereas the NFL ones are great. The sport will still be ruined but at least it will be compelling viewing.
  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,639
    Have N.I.L. Wild West?
    The “top tier”, and those who are serious about getting there, will always be about bag men, no matter what the rules are. The “rules followers” will have to shit or get off the pot, the sooner the better…
  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,274
    Have a set salary cap (kids paid to play directly by the athletic department)?
    It’s not a sustainable model to funnel everything to the very top. The strong need the weak to be strong enough. If the weak die then there is nothing for the strong to lord over.

    The only way to do that is with some set of fair rules of the game. This is why the NFL gets it right. Sure the strong have been paying and cheating all along (same as the NFL) but there were enough rules to keep it mostly in check.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,318 Founders Club
    Have a set salary cap (kids paid to play directly by the athletic department)?
    whlinder said:

    It’s not a sustainable model to funnel everything to the very top. The strong need the weak to be strong enough. If the weak die then there is nothing for the strong to lord over.

    The only way to do that is with some set of fair rules of the game. This is why the NFL gets it right. Sure the strong have been paying and cheating all along (same as the NFL) but there were enough rules to keep it mostly in check.

    Even with bag men and cheating, some sort of structured, college salary cap, would be enough to help spread the talent around.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    dtd said:

    The NCAA continues to kick this can while raking in billions, when they should be the entity regulating and enforcing everything.

    When push comes to shove, the NCAA has no legal authority, while Emmert is a weak leader.
    Get college football the fuck out of the NCAA already. Us row peter puffers told them to fuck off over 100 years ago.
    Agree. The players will be free to accept a salary that reflects what they are really worth.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,560
    Have N.I.L. Wild West?

    haie said:

    The Alliance will probably police themselves to punish for direct pay-for-play (you can't have inducements in a contract, you must show that a player is performing the services paid for).

    The SEC will keep everything the same as it is now unless the networks put pressure on them to do the same.

    The networks work for the SEC not the other way around.
    SEC can always shop around
    Like you said a little later. Forget about networks, as the SEC has enough power to start their own league. The NCAA needs the SEC more than the SEC needs the NCAA, let's not forget that.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,318 Founders Club
    Have a set salary cap (kids paid to play directly by the athletic department)?

    I’d rather everything go back to the way it was pre BCS


    College football had no rival on how great it was.

    The assholes in charge won’t let us.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,108 Founders Club

    I’d rather everything go back to the way it was pre BCS


    College football had no rival on how great it was.

    That's why it had to be improved

    Colleges don't need football and football don't need college

    Keep improving until it's dead
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,318 Founders Club
    edited April 2022
    Have a set salary cap (kids paid to play directly by the athletic department)?

    I’d rather everything go back to the way it was pre BCS


    College football had no rival on how great it was.

    That's why it had to be improved

    Colleges don't need football and football don't need college

    Keep improving until it's dead
    This is my preferred solution. Fuck them kids.

  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    Have N.I.L. Wild West?
    Whatever ends the NCAA the fastest
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,476 Founders Club
    How is the Salary Cap option materially different than the scholarship model?

  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,318 Founders Club
    edited April 2022
    Have a set salary cap (kids paid to play directly by the athletic department)?
    pawz said:

    How is the Salary Cap option materially different than the scholarship model?

    I would think (regulated) cash pay for play on top of scholarship, would like quite different than scholarship only model. Maybe 2nd stringer guys get like an extra 20K per year? Starting QB of a big time program would be worth many hundreds of thousands per year?


    If we're gonna pay the fucking kids and continue with college as NFL farm system, let's, at least, do it right.