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Obama and misinformation
SFGbob
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From the fucking asshole who let his party and his supporters in the media repeat the fucking lie about "hands up don't shoot" when he and Holder both knew it was a lie and he never said a word.
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Obama had a hand in the Russian collusion lie that they used to trash Trump and cripple his Presidency. Fucker has a lot of gall complaining about misinformation.
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Obama is a Marxist POS. His staff told him the $2000 yearly HC savings per family wasn’t real and he might want to stop saying it. He continued the lie. Raw sewage.
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What are you talking about? I’m confused.RaceBannon said: -
Did you watch the clip?RatherBeBrewing said:
What are you talking about? I’m confused.RaceBannon said: -
He is confusedRaceBannon said:
Did you watch the clip?RatherBeBrewing said:
What are you talking about? I’m confused.RaceBannon said: -
I'm not trying to be H here. Rather is smart and it seems obvious
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Obama in 2012 gets a message to Putin to wait for his reelection so he could move
2014 Crimea is annexed
And in the darndest coincidence in 2022 with Obama sock puppet Biden in office we get the full invasion
And today Obama calls anyone who disagrees with the narrative a Putin disinformer
My opinion is that the Obama cabal played Zelensky. The war is what matters not who wins -
September 16 – Susan Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, on CNN’s “State of the Union” with Candy Crowley
“There was a hateful video that was disseminated on the Internet. It had nothing to do with the United States government, and it’s one that we find disgusting and reprehensible. It’s been offensive to many, many people around the world. That sparked violence in various parts of the world, including violence directed against Western facilities including our embassies and consulates.”
On CBS’ “Face the Nation,” Rice also said that, “We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.”
September 18 – Jay Carney
“Our belief, based on the information we have, is it was the video that caused the unrest in Cairo, and the video and the unrest in Cairo that helped – that precipitated some of the unrest in Benghazi and elsewhere. What other factors were involved is a matter of investigation.”
September 19 – Jay Carney
“It is a simple fact that there are, in post-revolution, postwar Libya, armed groups, there are bad actors hostile to the government, hostile to the West, hostile to the United States. And as has been the case in other countries in the region, it is certainly conceivable that these groups take advantage of and exploit situations that develop, when they develop, to protest against or attack either Westerners, Americans, Western sites or American sites. … Right now I’m saying we don’t have evidence at this point that this was premeditated or preplanned to coincide on a – to happen on a specific date or coincide with that anniversary.” -
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I saw it back when it happened.RaceBannon said:
Did you watch the clip?RatherBeBrewing said:
What are you talking about? I’m confused.RaceBannon said:
I’m confused on why you’re showing me this and who you think my ally is. Because if you’re saying it’s Obama then I’m doubly confused, as I’m fairly sure I have explained how US foreign policy fucked this up in 2014. Obama’s and Hillary’s foreign policy in regards to Russia was a disaster.
There’s even a picture of the exact moment that Russia realized that those they consider to be their main adversary is fucking stupid. The “reset” button, where they didn’t even use the proper Russian word for reset - they went with one that translates better as “overload”
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You’re right in that the annexation of Crimea was partially due to a weak US State Department and Obama personally. Missing some other stuff, but that Putin knew a feckless response was coming gave him the will to do it. He doesn’t give a fuck which side of US history he’s on, I have no idea why anyone at State thought otherwise.RaceBannon said:I'm not trying to be H here. Rather is smart and it seems obvious
But
Obama in 2012 gets a message to Putin to wait for his reelection so he could move
2014 Crimea is annexed
And in the darndest coincidence in 2022 with Obama sock puppet Biden in office we get the full invasion
And today Obama calls anyone who disagrees with the narrative a Putin disinformer
My opinion is that the Obama cabal played Zelensky. The war is what matters not who wins
You are making the mistake of discounting Europe - they are the appeasers who helped make it happen. Led by Russophile former young communist, and once-a-upon a time butterface nudist, Reichskanzler Merkel. Their austerity programs, the polarized political spectrum, Russian energy, propaganda, and bribes, Ukraine’s own incompetence - all that added up to the perfect storm. Combined with US inaction after Georgia in 2008, they chose the end of Bush era and they knew we were warred out with no cohesive policy. Then Syria. And many transgressions in between.
You’re also taking away agency from the Russians and Ukrainians. This conflict predates any of us, possibly even you. But as usual I’m rambling. -
I just find it interesting that the people screaming the loudest about supporting the Ukraine are the ones who sold them outRatherBeBrewing said:
I saw it back when it happened.RaceBannon said:
Did you watch the clip?RatherBeBrewing said:
What are you talking about? I’m confused.RaceBannon said:
I’m confused on why you’re showing me this and who you think my ally is. Because if you’re saying it’s Obama then I’m doubly confused, as I’m fairly sure I have explained how US foreign policy fucked this up in 2014. Obama’s and Hillary’s foreign policy in regards to Russia was a disaster.
There’s even a picture of the exact moment that Russia realized that those they consider to be their main adversary is fucking stupid. The “reset” button, where they didn’t even use the proper Russian word for reset - they went with one that translates better as “overload”
Goes to motive and character
I do care that millions of civilians are paying for this
I also thought democracy in the Mid East was a good idea
But as you say, these conflicts are decades old and ultimately between the two players
The West is happy as always to arm both sides
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RBBrewing:
Where are our NATO allies in all of this (other than taking in a ton of refugees and dispensing humanitarian aid)?
Are Germany, France et al going to provide armed troops if it comes down to NATO sending in ground troops or air support?
Is Turkey an American ally?
What’s the Live Update on the ground in Afghanistan? -
September 16 – Susan Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, on CNN’s “State of the Union” with Candy Crowley
“There was a hateful video that was disseminated on the Internet. It had nothing to do with the United States government, and it’s one that we find disgusting and reprehensible. It’s been offensive to many, many people around the world. That sparked violence in various parts of the world, including violence directed against Western facilities including our embassies and consulates.”
On CBS’ “Face the Nation,” Rice also said that, “We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.”
September 18 – Jay Carney
“Our belief, based on the information we have, is it was the video that caused the unrest in Cairo, and the video and the unrest in Cairo that helped – that precipitated some of the unrest in Benghazi and elsewhere. What other factors were involved is a matter of investigation.”
September 19 – Jay Carney
“It is a simple fact that there are, in post-revolution, postwar Libya, armed groups, there are bad actors hostile to the government, hostile to the West, hostile to the United States. And as has been the case in other countries in the region, it is certainly conceivable that these groups take advantage of and exploit situations that develop, when they develop, to protest against or attack either Westerners, Americans, Western sites or American sites. … Right now I’m saying we don’t have evidence at this point that this was premeditated or preplanned to coincide on a – to happen on a specific date or coincide with that anniversary.”
Perhaps, Obama can circle back and address this BS when addressing his new campaign against “misinformation” . . .
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They let them die to hide arming ISIS.
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Anyone believing that Putin wanted Trump to be US president over the appeaser PIPS is dumber than a bag of hammers. That includes almost the entire US MSM.RatherBeBrewing said:
I saw it back when it happened.RaceBannon said:
Did you watch the clip?RatherBeBrewing said:
What are you talking about? I’m confused.RaceBannon said:
I’m confused on why you’re showing me this and who you think my ally is. Because if you’re saying it’s Obama then I’m doubly confused, as I’m fairly sure I have explained how US foreign policy fucked this up in 2014. Obama’s and Hillary’s foreign policy in regards to Russia was a disaster.
There’s even a picture of the exact moment that Russia realized that those they consider to be their main adversary is fucking stupid. The “reset” button, where they didn’t even use the proper Russian word for reset - they went with one that translates better as “overload” -
"It's Steve Bannon's fault that my podcast has low ratings" -
I hear they left over creative differences so Spotify didn’t offer a new contract. It was all the Obama’s decision.hardhat said:
"It's Steve Bannon's fault that my podcast has low ratings"
Fact Check- Mostly false. Disinformation. -
"Progressive" talk radio/podcasts go nowhere. Even leftards don't want to listen to barry. Remember Air America the left's answer to Rush Limbaugh and conservative talk radio? AZDuck went hyperbolic when it debuted in 2004 when in its opening week, it outdrew Rush in NYC. Then it was all downhill as leftards aren't really interested in actual facts on the ground and have the attention span of a gnat.hardhat said:
"It's Steve Bannon's fault that my podcast has low ratings" -
I opposed that war but was also of the “hey at least we’ll get rid of Saddam and they’ll have democracy” mindset. I still can’t judge the accomplishments or lack thereof because I don’t *understand* Iraq the way I do the US, Russia, and Ukraine. There’s a limit to how many cultures one can be familiar with before it becomes diluted. Of course the threshold is much higher for national/regional cultures compared to hobby cultures, etc. Some are not available unless you’re born into them. I won’t ever get to be a part of the Sentinelese society and thus truly understand the culture of killing missionaries and stranded fishermen as an extreme example.RaceBannon said:
I just find it interesting that the people screaming the loudest about supporting the Ukraine are the ones who sold them outRatherBeBrewing said:
I saw it back when it happened.RaceBannon said:
Did you watch the clip?RatherBeBrewing said:
What are you talking about? I’m confused.RaceBannon said:
I’m confused on why you’re showing me this and who you think my ally is. Because if you’re saying it’s Obama then I’m doubly confused, as I’m fairly sure I have explained how US foreign policy fucked this up in 2014. Obama’s and Hillary’s foreign policy in regards to Russia was a disaster.
There’s even a picture of the exact moment that Russia realized that those they consider to be their main adversary is fucking stupid. The “reset” button, where they didn’t even use the proper Russian word for reset - they went with one that translates better as “overload”
Goes to motive and character
I do care that millions of civilians are paying for this
I also thought democracy in the Mid East was a good idea
But as you say, these conflicts are decades old and ultimately between the two players
The West is happy as always to arm both sides
The ones who backstabbed Ukraine are numerous in number. Many of the ones who did it were Ukrainian themselves, some are in Germany doing the opposite of screaming, some are in Russia and never bothered to go for the back. But I’m assuming you’re referencing Americans. All of the US Presidents since the fall of the USSR, and plenty of politicians, military officials, economists, journalists, etc deserve blame. Fucking Poland and Ukraine is a centuries old tradition among all European/American countries, it’s always been done regardless of political affiliation. It’s rarely fully understood outside of the region, might as well be me and Iraq.
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My limited understanding is that Stalin et al forcibly sent millions (or a lot) of Russians to eastern Ukraine and created a Fifth Column. I don't think there was a large settlement of Russians sent to Poland.RatherBeBrewing said:
I opposed that war but was also of the “hey at least we’ll get rid of Saddam and they’ll have democracy” mindset. I still can’t judge the accomplishments or lack thereof because I don’t *understand* Iraq the way I do the US, Russia, and Ukraine. There’s a limit to how many cultures one can be familiar with before it becomes diluted. Of course the threshold is much higher for national/regional cultures compared to hobby cultures, etc. Some are not available unless you’re born into them. I won’t ever get to be a part of the Sentinelese society and thus truly understand the culture of killing missionaries and stranded fishermen as an extreme example.RaceBannon said:
I just find it interesting that the people screaming the loudest about supporting the Ukraine are the ones who sold them outRatherBeBrewing said:
I saw it back when it happened.RaceBannon said:
Did you watch the clip?RatherBeBrewing said:
What are you talking about? I’m confused.RaceBannon said:
I’m confused on why you’re showing me this and who you think my ally is. Because if you’re saying it’s Obama then I’m doubly confused, as I’m fairly sure I have explained how US foreign policy fucked this up in 2014. Obama’s and Hillary’s foreign policy in regards to Russia was a disaster.
There’s even a picture of the exact moment that Russia realized that those they consider to be their main adversary is fucking stupid. The “reset” button, where they didn’t even use the proper Russian word for reset - they went with one that translates better as “overload”
Goes to motive and character
I do care that millions of civilians are paying for this
I also thought democracy in the Mid East was a good idea
But as you say, these conflicts are decades old and ultimately between the two players
The West is happy as always to arm both sides
The ones who backstabbed Ukraine are numerous in number. Many of the ones who did it were Ukrainian themselves, some are in Germany doing the opposite of screaming, some are in Russia and never bothered to go for the back. But I’m assuming you’re referencing Americans. All of the US Presidents since the fall of the USSR, and plenty of politicians, military officials, economists, journalists, etc deserve blame. Fucking Poland and Ukraine is a centuries old tradition among all European/American countries, it’s always been done regardless of political affiliation. It’s rarely fully understood outside of the region, might as well be me and Iraq. -
I do appreciate your perspectiveRatherBeBrewing said:
I opposed that war but was also of the “hey at least we’ll get rid of Saddam and they’ll have democracy” mindset. I still can’t judge the accomplishments or lack thereof because I don’t *understand* Iraq the way I do the US, Russia, and Ukraine. There’s a limit to how many cultures one can be familiar with before it becomes diluted. Of course the threshold is much higher for national/regional cultures compared to hobby cultures, etc. Some are not available unless you’re born into them. I won’t ever get to be a part of the Sentinelese society and thus truly understand the culture of killing missionaries and stranded fishermen as an extreme example.RaceBannon said:
I just find it interesting that the people screaming the loudest about supporting the Ukraine are the ones who sold them outRatherBeBrewing said:
I saw it back when it happened.RaceBannon said:
Did you watch the clip?RatherBeBrewing said:
What are you talking about? I’m confused.RaceBannon said:
I’m confused on why you’re showing me this and who you think my ally is. Because if you’re saying it’s Obama then I’m doubly confused, as I’m fairly sure I have explained how US foreign policy fucked this up in 2014. Obama’s and Hillary’s foreign policy in regards to Russia was a disaster.
There’s even a picture of the exact moment that Russia realized that those they consider to be their main adversary is fucking stupid. The “reset” button, where they didn’t even use the proper Russian word for reset - they went with one that translates better as “overload”
Goes to motive and character
I do care that millions of civilians are paying for this
I also thought democracy in the Mid East was a good idea
But as you say, these conflicts are decades old and ultimately between the two players
The West is happy as always to arm both sides
The ones who backstabbed Ukraine are numerous in number. Many of the ones who did it were Ukrainian themselves, some are in Germany doing the opposite of screaming, some are in Russia and never bothered to go for the back. But I’m assuming you’re referencing Americans. All of the US Presidents since the fall of the USSR, and plenty of politicians, military officials, economists, journalists, etc deserve blame. Fucking Poland and Ukraine is a centuries old tradition among all European/American countries, it’s always been done regardless of political affiliation. It’s rarely fully understood outside of the region, might as well be me and Iraq.
We're not always animals here -
No offense, but you may be making the mistake of believing the Obama cabal was just a bunch of bumbling fools and Putin took advantage of them. There are more dots to be connected and the corruption within the swamp in the United States is perhaps not something you're willing to admit?RatherBeBrewing said:
You’re right in that the annexation of Crimea was partially due to a weak US State Department and Obama personally. Missing some other stuff, but that Putin knew a feckless response was coming gave him the will to do it. He doesn’t give a fuck which side of US history he’s on, I have no idea why anyone at State thought otherwise.RaceBannon said:I'm not trying to be H here. Rather is smart and it seems obvious
But
Obama in 2012 gets a message to Putin to wait for his reelection so he could move
2014 Crimea is annexed
And in the darndest coincidence in 2022 with Obama sock puppet Biden in office we get the full invasion
And today Obama calls anyone who disagrees with the narrative a Putin disinformer
My opinion is that the Obama cabal played Zelensky. The war is what matters not who wins
You are making the mistake of discounting Europe - they are the appeasers who helped make it happen. Led by Russophile former young communist, and once-a-upon a time butterface nudist, Reichskanzler Merkel. Their austerity programs, the polarized political spectrum, Russian energy, propaganda, and bribes, Ukraine’s own incompetence - all that added up to the perfect storm. Combined with US inaction after Georgia in 2008, they chose the end of Bush era and they knew we were warred out with no cohesive policy. Then Syria. And many transgressions in between.
You’re also taking away agency from the Russians and Ukrainians. This conflict predates any of us, possibly even you. But as usual I’m rambling. -
WrongRaceBannon said:
I do appreciate your perspectiveRatherBeBrewing said:
I opposed that war but was also of the “hey at least we’ll get rid of Saddam and they’ll have democracy” mindset. I still can’t judge the accomplishments or lack thereof because I don’t *understand* Iraq the way I do the US, Russia, and Ukraine. There’s a limit to how many cultures one can be familiar with before it becomes diluted. Of course the threshold is much higher for national/regional cultures compared to hobby cultures, etc. Some are not available unless you’re born into them. I won’t ever get to be a part of the Sentinelese society and thus truly understand the culture of killing missionaries and stranded fishermen as an extreme example.RaceBannon said:
I just find it interesting that the people screaming the loudest about supporting the Ukraine are the ones who sold them outRatherBeBrewing said:
I saw it back when it happened.RaceBannon said:
Did you watch the clip?RatherBeBrewing said:
What are you talking about? I’m confused.RaceBannon said:
I’m confused on why you’re showing me this and who you think my ally is. Because if you’re saying it’s Obama then I’m doubly confused, as I’m fairly sure I have explained how US foreign policy fucked this up in 2014. Obama’s and Hillary’s foreign policy in regards to Russia was a disaster.
There’s even a picture of the exact moment that Russia realized that those they consider to be their main adversary is fucking stupid. The “reset” button, where they didn’t even use the proper Russian word for reset - they went with one that translates better as “overload”
Goes to motive and character
I do care that millions of civilians are paying for this
I also thought democracy in the Mid East was a good idea
But as you say, these conflicts are decades old and ultimately between the two players
The West is happy as always to arm both sides
The ones who backstabbed Ukraine are numerous in number. Many of the ones who did it were Ukrainian themselves, some are in Germany doing the opposite of screaming, some are in Russia and never bothered to go for the back. But I’m assuming you’re referencing Americans. All of the US Presidents since the fall of the USSR, and plenty of politicians, military officials, economists, journalists, etc deserve blame. Fucking Poland and Ukraine is a centuries old tradition among all European/American countries, it’s always been done regardless of political affiliation. It’s rarely fully understood outside of the region, might as well be me and Iraq.
We're not always animals here -
TLDR: Yes, you’re correct on the re-settlement. Russification. It’s still a factor in today’s conflict. Both Ukraine and Poland are victims of geography, physical and geopolitical.WestlinnDuck said:My limited understanding is that Stalin et al forcibly sent millions (or a lot) of Russians to eastern Ukraine and created a Fifth Column. I don't think there was a large settlement of Russians sent to Poland.
RatherBeBrewing said:
I opposed that war but was also of the “hey at least we’ll get rid of Saddam and they’ll have democracy” mindset. I still can’t judge the accomplishments or lack thereof because I don’t *understand* Iraq the way I do the US, Russia, and Ukraine. There’s a limit to how many cultures one can be familiar with before it becomes diluted. Of course the threshold is much higher for national/regional cultures compared to hobby cultures, etc. Some are not available unless you’re born into them. I won’t ever get to be a part of the Sentinelese society and thus truly understand the culture of killing missionaries and stranded fishermen as an extreme example.RaceBannon said:
I just find it interesting that the people screaming the loudest about supporting the Ukraine are the ones who sold them outRatherBeBrewing said:
I saw it back when it happened.RaceBannon said:
Did you watch the clip?RatherBeBrewing said:
What are you talking about? I’m confused.RaceBannon said:
I’m confused on why you’re showing me this and who you think my ally is. Because if you’re saying it’s Obama then I’m doubly confused, as I’m fairly sure I have explained how US foreign policy fucked this up in 2014. Obama’s and Hillary’s foreign policy in regards to Russia was a disaster.
There’s even a picture of the exact moment that Russia realized that those they consider to be their main adversary is fucking stupid. The “reset” button, where they didn’t even use the proper Russian word for reset - they went with one that translates better as “overload”
Goes to motive and character
I do care that millions of civilians are paying for this
I also thought democracy in the Mid East was a good idea
But as you say, these conflicts are decades old and ultimately between the two players
The West is happy as always to arm both sides
The ones who backstabbed Ukraine are numerous in number. Many of the ones who did it were Ukrainian themselves, some are in Germany doing the opposite of screaming, some are in Russia and never bothered to go for the back. But I’m assuming you’re referencing Americans. All of the US Presidents since the fall of the USSR, and plenty of politicians, military officials, economists, journalists, etc deserve blame. Fucking Poland and Ukraine is a centuries old tradition among all European/American countries, it’s always been done regardless of political affiliation. It’s rarely fully understood outside of the region, might as well be me and Iraq.
More in depth but still simplistic overview, if anyone is curious:
What used to be considered Ukraine was also bigger than what it is now. Not just your standard Soviet social engineering, but the lands needed to be repopulated. Why did they need to be repopulated? Ukrainians don’t love to give away free borscht unless it’s a great celebration. Stalin killed 5-7 million Ukrainians from 1931-33 in the genocide known as the Holodomor, a portmanteau that roughly translates as “murder by hunger” and then another 5-7 million in WWII and the Holocaust. Since Ukrainian farmers resisted communism and collectivization too much Stalin killed them and replaced them with more subservient Russians. They’re still a minority, even in Donbas. The language issue is a Russian propaganda success story, overblown by Western media to where I’m tired of answering questions from Ukrainians about it.
Crimea is different, that was wholesale bringing in Russians for the Black Sea fleet, and Russians retiring to it. At the expense of the 500,000 Crimean Tatars who got their own genocide, exiled to Uzbekistan where one third died before they even got there. The Crimean Tatars were the only Soviet minority not allowed to return to their homeland - until it became Ukraine when almost the entire remaining population of 300,000 returned. Since Russia took over they shut down the Tatar self government administration, tortured and killed some prominent leaders, and many (if not most) fled to Ukraine. Tatars don’t need to go to Russia, not when Russia comes to them.
As for Poland, the Soviet Union gave them parts of what was 50/50 Pole/German land for giving 50/50 land to Ukraine and Belarus. They shifted the borders, basically. Also deported a bunch of Poles. There’s a reason that former Russian/Soviet controlled republics joined NATO as soon as they could.
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