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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,375 Founders Club

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  • RatherBeBrewing
    RatherBeBrewing Member Posts: 1,557
    RaceBannon said:

    I'm not trying to be H here. Rather is smart and it seems obvious

    But

    Obama in 2012 gets a message to Putin to wait for his reelection so he could move

    2014 Crimea is annexed

    And in the darndest coincidence in 2022 with Obama sock puppet Biden in office we get the full invasion

    And today Obama calls anyone who disagrees with the narrative a Putin disinformer

    My opinion is that the Obama cabal played Zelensky. The war is what matters not who wins

    You’re right in that the annexation of Crimea was partially due to a weak US State Department and Obama personally. Missing some other stuff, but that Putin knew a feckless response was coming gave him the will to do it. He doesn’t give a fuck which side of US history he’s on, I have no idea why anyone at State thought otherwise.

    You are making the mistake of discounting Europe - they are the appeasers who helped make it happen. Led by Russophile former young communist, and once-a-upon a time butterface nudist, Reichskanzler Merkel. Their austerity programs, the polarized political spectrum, Russian energy, propaganda, and bribes, Ukraine’s own incompetence - all that added up to the perfect storm. Combined with US inaction after Georgia in 2008, they chose the end of Bush era and they knew we were warred out with no cohesive policy. Then Syria. And many transgressions in between.

    You’re also taking away agency from the Russians and Ukrainians. This conflict predates any of us, possibly even you. But as usual I’m rambling.
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  • trublue
    trublue Member Posts: 3,042
    edited April 2022
    RBBrewing:

    Where are our NATO allies in all of this (other than taking in a ton of refugees and dispensing humanitarian aid)?

    Are Germany, France et al going to provide armed troops if it comes down to NATO sending in ground troops or air support?

    Is Turkey an American ally?

    What’s the Live Update on the ground in Afghanistan?
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  • trublue
    trublue Member Posts: 3,042
    edited April 2022
    September 16 – Susan Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, on CNN’s “State of the Union” with Candy Crowley

    “There was a hateful video that was disseminated on the Internet. It had nothing to do with the United States government, and it’s one that we find disgusting and reprehensible. It’s been offensive to many, many people around the world. That sparked violence in various parts of the world, including violence directed against Western facilities including our embassies and consulates.”

    On CBS’ “Face the Nation,” Rice also said that, “We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.”

    September 18 – Jay Carney

    “Our belief, based on the information we have, is it was the video that caused the unrest in Cairo, and the video and the unrest in Cairo that helped – that precipitated some of the unrest in Benghazi and elsewhere. What other factors were involved is a matter of investigation.”

    September 19 – Jay Carney

    “It is a simple fact that there are, in post-revolution, postwar Libya, armed groups, there are bad actors hostile to the government, hostile to the West, hostile to the United States. And as has been the case in other countries in the region, it is certainly conceivable that these groups take advantage of and exploit situations that develop, when they develop, to protest against or attack either Westerners, Americans, Western sites or American sites. … Right now I’m saying we don’t have evidence at this point that this was premeditated or preplanned to coincide on a – to happen on a specific date or coincide with that anniversary.”

    Perhaps, Obama can circle back and address this BS when addressing his new campaign against “misinformation” . . .
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,708 Standard Supporter
    They let them die to hide arming ISIS.
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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,974 Standard Supporter
    RatherBeBrewing said:

    RaceBannon said:

    RatherBeBrewing said:

    RaceBannon said:

    RaceBannon said:

    https://youtu.be/raHyRNvHXgI

    @RatherBeBrewing

    Here's your ally

    Handing over the Crimea
    What are you talking about? I’m confused.
    Did you watch the clip?
    I saw it back when it happened.

    I’m confused on why you’re showing me this and who you think my ally is. Because if you’re saying it’s Obama then I’m doubly confused, as I’m fairly sure I have explained how US foreign policy fucked this up in 2014. Obama’s and Hillary’s foreign policy in regards to Russia was a disaster.

    There’s even a picture of the exact moment that Russia realized that those they consider to be their main adversary is fucking stupid. The “reset” button, where they didn’t even use the proper Russian word for reset - they went with one that translates better as “overload”

    Anyone believing that Putin wanted Trump to be US president over the appeaser PIPS is dumber than a bag of hammers. That includes almost the entire US MSM.
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  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344


    "It's Steve Bannon's fault that my podcast has low ratings"
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  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    hardhat said:



    "It's Steve Bannon's fault that my podcast has low ratings"
    I hear they left over creative differences so Spotify didn’t offer a new contract. It was all the Obama’s decision.

    Fact Check- Mostly false. Disinformation.
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