Russian Generals dropping like flies

RaceBannon said:

White people fighting white people is the most violent war you can have

Brutal people. CRT taught me that

50 million dead or so the last time whitey went at it and the overall population was way less

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RatherBeBrewing said:

HoustonHusky said:

PurpleThrobber said:

Neither the Ukrainians nor the Russians are telling the truth.o

Yup.

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1510608236134735872?s=21&t=uMlyyNw12GufbkUPZ29ZVg

https://twitter.com/spriter99880/status/1510996139868405768?s=21&t=uMlyyNw12GufbkUPZ29ZVg

I hate to besmirch the two twitter accounts that mirror the Russian governments stance on everything. Especially since the one that slips up and uses Russian language syntax every now then was just created last month, but -

A droplet of water on a windshield is not a moving arm: https://mobile.twitter.com/AuroraIntel/status/1510641101643919368

The other tweet doesn’t have any dead bodies because it’s a different street, in another part of the same town. As seen in the video posted at the link. It’s the English language version, and there are plenty of other dead bodies they do see: https://web.archive.org/web/20220402185448/https://en.lb.ua/news/2022/04/02/12441_special_forces_regiment_safari.html

Reuters has a picture of the exact same location...one of the guys decided to get up or not lie down for that picture or for some crazy reason he was removed and the others weren't:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-street-corpse-with-hands-bound-bullet-wound-head-2022-04-03/

Who knows. The mayor of the town was all over the news 2 days before and didn't say a word about it. The Ukrainian police show up and the propaganda began. And if you want to get technical the street is part of the area Ukraine was shelling for most of March to try and push the Russians out. Add to that one of the Azov crazies Sergey Korotkikh had to delete a video he posted while in Bucha around that time of his folks murdering anyone not in blue armbands.

Who knows what the truth is there or anywhere in Ukraine...I just guarantee its not whatever they are telling you it is. It is easy to justify anything you don't like seeing as propaganda from the other side and anything you agree with as the truth...its how the human mind works. Rationalization is a powerful thing. If you believe anything being pushed out of there from either side for the news cycle you are allowing yourself to be manipulated...that's the purpose of propaganda. On both sides.

RatherBeBrewing said:

Sledog said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

WestlinnDuck said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

WestlinnDuck said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

War crime update: the scale is unfathomable. Russians never expected to retreat from the occupied areas. Western media holds back the worst of it, and the brutality is everything that was expected and then some. Makes the Yugoslav wars seem like a miniature version with restraint. In the last 24 hours 400+ civilian corpses found just between two liberated suburban towns by Kyiv with a combined prewar population of ~60,000.

Mass graves, people with their hands tied and shot, people hiding in basements blown up with hand grenades or set in fire, children dead from bleeding caused by gang rapes, thousands of women subjected to sexual violence, stomach turning torture, people killed just for fun, civil leaders and officials slaughtered with their families. Old people saying that the German blitzkrieg and occupation was nowhere near this horrific.

Human Rights Watch is fairly mild, but I figure for the gentle American consumer this is more appropriate versus other sources: https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-crimes-russia-controlled-areas

It's almost like the American founders with the 2A had a plan other than being slaughtered and raped.

I don’t think my guns would help me against a Russian battalion tactical group. With my rifle I could probably take out a fair number of red coats before they could reload their smooth bore muskets for a second volley, but a T-72 tank might be another matter.

If infantry is going house to house rounding up civilians to rape and zip tie and slaughter then a AR-15 would be pretty handy. I'd rather be shot in a fire fight than be raped to death. But that's just me and plenty of other Americans.

If a band of catalytic converter stealing tweakers has invaded, then yeah. If an elite VDV unit invaded then that doesn’t accomplish much beyond guaranteeing a more torturous death for anyone around you. I’ll agree that it’s better than dying while doing nothing. It just seems that people think they’re Rambo, when the reality is that civilians are basically helpless in this scenario.

Let’s say they killed ~10% of civilians in this town. What do you think would happen if they got to your house and you managed to empty a 30 round magazine into their detachment? The subsequent houses wouldn’t be treated as nicely, is my guess. You got to die on your own terms, in a blaze of glory. Everyone they encounter after you gets automatically slaughtered because they’re not going to risk a repeat. Those are rhetorical questions and something for an ethics class.

I’m named for a great-grandfather who was executed by the Germans for being a partisan. He did what he did knowing the German policy was to kill some number of civilians as retribution for every Nazi soldier killed by the partisans or every act of sabotage. The residents supported the partisans while being aware of the consequences. I’m fucking glad I don’t have to make choices like that.

The founders were all well off white guys who didn't have to have a revolution. They risked everything and had large bounties oin their head. Freedom isn't free and it is not won by cowering in corners. The other guy doesn't want to die for his dictator. Make them pay in blood. Sitting around waiting to be rounded up and executed or shipped to a Gulag to be worked and starved to death isn't attractive to me. Remember that a few Jews with guns held the NAZI's out of the Warsaw ghetto for months because the soldiers were afraid of being shot.

I was going to go with one of usual replies, which are much like my penis; too long for many and not intended for you. Instead I’ll try to be like the underwear I can’t wear, brief. Or to the extent that I can... Let’s just be grateful I’m not picking apart your suboptimal historical analogies or their incorrect details.

You have no idea how you would truly react or behave in any of those situations unless you have been in them previously.

If it helps you to imagine that you’ll fight to the death for your freedom, even in a scenario where you don’t know your freedom or life are in danger, then that’s great. Let’s be thankful we live in a country where that’s unlikely to ever be tested the way that Ukraine is seeing, and have compassion for those that are less fortunate in that regard.

Actually, I have a real good idea of how I would react. And so did the American founders. Given your background and comments, I'm not sure if you have a problem with an armed citizenry or not. It's clear that authoritarian governments and leftards everywhere have a huge problem with an armed citizenry. If the dazzler and the slobberer don't want me to have an AR-15, that's good enough for me that I need to have one.

Sledog said:

WestlinnDuck said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

Sledog said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

WestlinnDuck said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

WestlinnDuck said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

War crime update: the scale is unfathomable. Russians never expected to retreat from the occupied areas. Western media holds back the worst of it, and the brutality is everything that was expected and then some. Makes the Yugoslav wars seem like a miniature version with restraint. In the last 24 hours 400+ civilian corpses found just between two liberated suburban towns by Kyiv with a combined prewar population of ~60,000.

Mass graves, people with their hands tied and shot, people hiding in basements blown up with hand grenades or set in fire, children dead from bleeding caused by gang rapes, thousands of women subjected to sexual violence, stomach turning torture, people killed just for fun, civil leaders and officials slaughtered with their families. Old people saying that the German blitzkrieg and occupation was nowhere near this horrific.

Human Rights Watch is fairly mild, but I figure for the gentle American consumer this is more appropriate versus other sources: https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-crimes-russia-controlled-areas

It's almost like the American founders with the 2A had a plan other than being slaughtered and raped.

I don’t think my guns would help me against a Russian battalion tactical group. With my rifle I could probably take out a fair number of red coats before they could reload their smooth bore muskets for a second volley, but a T-72 tank might be another matter.

If infantry is going house to house rounding up civilians to rape and zip tie and slaughter then a AR-15 would be pretty handy. I'd rather be shot in a fire fight than be raped to death. But that's just me and plenty of other Americans.

If a band of catalytic converter stealing tweakers has invaded, then yeah. If an elite VDV unit invaded then that doesn’t accomplish much beyond guaranteeing a more torturous death for anyone around you. I’ll agree that it’s better than dying while doing nothing. It just seems that people think they’re Rambo, when the reality is that civilians are basically helpless in this scenario.

Let’s say they killed ~10% of civilians in this town. What do you think would happen if they got to your house and you managed to empty a 30 round magazine into their detachment? The subsequent houses wouldn’t be treated as nicely, is my guess. You got to die on your own terms, in a blaze of glory. Everyone they encounter after you gets automatically slaughtered because they’re not going to risk a repeat. Those are rhetorical questions and something for an ethics class.

I’m named for a great-grandfather who was executed by the Germans for being a partisan. He did what he did knowing the German policy was to kill some number of civilians as retribution for every Nazi soldier killed by the partisans or every act of sabotage. The residents supported the partisans while being aware of the consequences. I’m fucking glad I don’t have to make choices like that.

The founders were all well off white guys who didn't have to have a revolution. They risked everything and had large bounties oin their head. Freedom isn't free and it is not won by cowering in corners. The other guy doesn't want to die for his dictator. Make them pay in blood. Sitting around waiting to be rounded up and executed or shipped to a Gulag to be worked and starved to death isn't attractive to me. Remember that a few Jews with guns held the NAZI's out of the Warsaw ghetto for months because the soldiers were afraid of being shot.

I was going to go with one of usual replies, which are much like my penis; too long for many and not intended for you. Instead I’ll try to be like the underwear I can’t wear, brief. Or to the extent that I can... Let’s just be grateful I’m not picking apart your suboptimal historical analogies or their incorrect details.

You have no idea how you would truly react or behave in any of those situations unless you have been in them previously.

If it helps you to imagine that you’ll fight to the death for your freedom, even in a scenario where you don’t know your freedom or life are in danger, then that’s great. Let’s be thankful we live in a country where that’s unlikely to ever be tested the way that Ukraine is seeing, and have compassion for those that are less fortunate in that regard.

Actually, I have a real good idea of how I would react. And so did the American founders. Given your background and comments, I'm not sure if you have a problem with an armed citizenry or not. It's clear that authoritarian governments and leftards everywhere have a huge problem with an armed citizenry. If the dazzler and the slobberer don't want me to have an AR-15, that's good enough for me that I need to have one.

One?

It’s a start.

WestlinnDuck said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

Sledog said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

WestlinnDuck said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

WestlinnDuck said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

War crime update: the scale is unfathomable. Russians never expected to retreat from the occupied areas. Western media holds back the worst of it, and the brutality is everything that was expected and then some. Makes the Yugoslav wars seem like a miniature version with restraint. In the last 24 hours 400+ civilian corpses found just between two liberated suburban towns by Kyiv with a combined prewar population of ~60,000.

Mass graves, people with their hands tied and shot, people hiding in basements blown up with hand grenades or set in fire, children dead from bleeding caused by gang rapes, thousands of women subjected to sexual violence, stomach turning torture, people killed just for fun, civil leaders and officials slaughtered with their families. Old people saying that the German blitzkrieg and occupation was nowhere near this horrific.

Human Rights Watch is fairly mild, but I figure for the gentle American consumer this is more appropriate versus other sources: https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-crimes-russia-controlled-areas

It's almost like the American founders with the 2A had a plan other than being slaughtered and raped.

I don’t think my guns would help me against a Russian battalion tactical group. With my rifle I could probably take out a fair number of red coats before they could reload their smooth bore muskets for a second volley, but a T-72 tank might be another matter.

If infantry is going house to house rounding up civilians to rape and zip tie and slaughter then a AR-15 would be pretty handy. I'd rather be shot in a fire fight than be raped to death. But that's just me and plenty of other Americans.

If a band of catalytic converter stealing tweakers has invaded, then yeah. If an elite VDV unit invaded then that doesn’t accomplish much beyond guaranteeing a more torturous death for anyone around you. I’ll agree that it’s better than dying while doing nothing. It just seems that people think they’re Rambo, when the reality is that civilians are basically helpless in this scenario.

Let’s say they killed ~10% of civilians in this town. What do you think would happen if they got to your house and you managed to empty a 30 round magazine into their detachment? The subsequent houses wouldn’t be treated as nicely, is my guess. You got to die on your own terms, in a blaze of glory. Everyone they encounter after you gets automatically slaughtered because they’re not going to risk a repeat. Those are rhetorical questions and something for an ethics class.

I’m named for a great-grandfather who was executed by the Germans for being a partisan. He did what he did knowing the German policy was to kill some number of civilians as retribution for every Nazi soldier killed by the partisans or every act of sabotage. The residents supported the partisans while being aware of the consequences. I’m fucking glad I don’t have to make choices like that.

The founders were all well off white guys who didn't have to have a revolution. They risked everything and had large bounties oin their head. Freedom isn't free and it is not won by cowering in corners. The other guy doesn't want to die for his dictator. Make them pay in blood. Sitting around waiting to be rounded up and executed or shipped to a Gulag to be worked and starved to death isn't attractive to me. Remember that a few Jews with guns held the NAZI's out of the Warsaw ghetto for months because the soldiers were afraid of being shot.

I was going to go with one of usual replies, which are much like my penis; too long for many and not intended for you. Instead I’ll try to be like the underwear I can’t wear, brief. Or to the extent that I can... Let’s just be grateful I’m not picking apart your suboptimal historical analogies or their incorrect details.

You have no idea how you would truly react or behave in any of those situations unless you have been in them previously.

If it helps you to imagine that you’ll fight to the death for your freedom, even in a scenario where you don’t know your freedom or life are in danger, then that’s great. Let’s be thankful we live in a country where that’s unlikely to ever be tested the way that Ukraine is seeing, and have compassion for those that are less fortunate in that regard.

Actually, I have a real good idea of how I would react. And so did the American founders. Given your background and comments, I'm not sure if you have a problem with an armed citizenry or not. It's clear that authoritarian governments and leftards everywhere have a huge problem with an armed citizenry. If the dazzler and the slobberer don't want me to have an AR-15, that's good enough for me that I need to have one.

You can imagine how you would react, but you won’t know for sure how you will until the opportunity arises. You also have to take into consideration the safety of your loved ones, the chances you’re taken by surprise, away from an area you’re comfortable with, etc. But feel free to cosplay your Rambo fantasies. I’m not being the least bit facetious, it’s good that not everyone is a pussy. Most men in the US and Western Europe are.

I’m not sure what in my background or comments makes you wonder if I’m anti-gun. My father was Soviet special forces, then military intelligence. One of the things he did was teach firearms to new recruits; I’ve been shooting for as long as I can remember. My stepdad was a USAF pilot who also loved to go shooting and bought me my first handgun, shit we used to pick off soup cans from my bedroom window with a little .22 rifle. I have a CHL. A few handguns, a few rifles, and a shotgun. I even have a functional flintlock pistol, in case I ever have to kill an Alexander Hamilton, Aleksandr Pushkin or any other early 19th century dick. My issue was with someone needlessly injecting that into the conversation, but I have enjoyed seeing how many people think they can conduct guerrilla warfare against a modern army.