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So these sanctions appear to be pathetically weak

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  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 45,859 Standard Supporter
    Swaye said:

    Read an article on Rueters (can't find link) that basically said it was a combo of uncertainty over future regulatory environment (specifically with methane off gassing from wells), and a fear over overexuberant drilling until prices stabilized more uniformly.

    My uneducated read on it was Joe didn't do anything "specifically" that cut production, but the inability to expand leases on federal land and the Keystone decision did compel drillers to think more carefully about exploratory drilling for fear of future regulation from Team Biden. So no, Biden didn;t specifically do anything, but the threat of Biden is enough to cool drilling. ATBS, article also mentioned oil prices have gathered so much steam that they believe drilling will commence in a big way in 2022 and should easily surpass 2021 levels. Enough to make up 800K barrels per day? I have no idea...
    Yup. The BLM and USFS can fuck things up when it comes to extraction industries.

    FUCK THINGS UP. And they take their marching orders directly from whoever is at the top of the crime family Executive Branch.

  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    Anecdotal. When

    Still don't know what specific policies by Biden caused production to fall last year.

    His green energy push has many in the industry uneasy with his administration. Then his energy Secretary went out and blasted the industry for their enormous profits. Basically demanding they increase production. I remember her presser.

    So you added to the existing uncertainty that has caused the industry to not increase supply and then blast them when they won’t.

    You tell them to invest in a time of uncertainty of demand and what regulations may be coming down the road once you’ve helped reduce the cost to consumers. Joey is a leftist radical now.

    There are many other factors of course but things over the last 13 months have not helped. The industry wasn’t facing this under Trump. Many of the factors were in play when he was in office.

    Covid. Lockdowns. Demand. Keystone. Russia. OPEC reducing production.

    Gas $2.76 a gal. for me. I’m paying $1 or more per gal. now. Since Joey.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,845 Swaye's Wigwam
    Biden's directions to all sorts of regulatory bodies was to curb domestic production. We? Are facing all kinds of increasing regulatory oversight, audits, and fines. Guess where those costs show up?

    C'mon Mike, you know economics well enough, what happens to current production when the cost of capital goes through the roof? Why are US oil stocks still trading for shit with high oil prices?

    I can name at least three major pipeline/production projects in California that were shutdown once Biden entered office. Not from Covid. And Nesom talks big but parties with the Ghetty's, do the math.

    It's basic futures trading where everyone in the industry is pricing in tomorrow to today. Combine that with Covid killing existing production and you have a drastically reduced supply.

    Biden didn't cause *all of it but his actions are contributing to it and exacerbating the effects.

    *Board energy superiority guy
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    IIRC his attempt to stop new drilling of federal land was overturned but wasn't that only for leases under contract?
  • hardhathardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    But these are TOUGH sanctions
  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967


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  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    46XiJCAB said:

    Anecdotal. When

    His green energy push has many in the industry uneasy with his administration. Then his energy Secretary went out and blasted the industry for their enormous profits. Basically demanding they increase production. I remember her presser.

    So you added to the existing uncertainty that has caused the industry to not increase supply and then blast them when they won’t.

    You tell them to invest in a time of uncertainty of demand and what regulations may be coming down the road once you’ve helped reduce the cost to consumers. Joey is a leftist radical now.

    There are many other factors of course but things over the last 13 months have not helped. The industry wasn’t facing this under Trump. Many of the factors were in play when he was in office.

    Covid. Lockdowns. Demand. Keystone. Russia. OPEC reducing production.

    Gas $2.76 a gal. for me. I’m paying $1 or more per gal. now. Since Joey.
    After Covid and lockdowns is a pretty fucking big drop off to cancelling a pipeline that was years away from carrying oil. The lefts hyperbole and hypocrisy is what I hate about them the most. If the right does it, it needs to be called out as well.

    Biden is president, he owns it like all presidents have. But please be about the BidenBros with their cunt act.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited February 2022

    Biden's directions to all sorts of regulatory bodies was to curb domestic production. We? Are facing all kinds of increasing regulatory oversight, audits, and fines. Guess where those costs show up?

    C'mon Mike, you know economics well enough, what happens to current production when the cost of capital goes through the roof? Why are US oil stocks still trading for shit with high oil prices?

    I can name at least three major pipeline/production projects in California that were shutdown once Biden entered office. Not from Covid. And Nesom talks big but parties with the Ghetty's, do the math.

    It's basic futures trading where everyone in the industry is pricing in tomorrow to today. Combine that with Covid killing existing production and you have a drastically reduced supply.

    Biden didn't cause *all of it but his actions are contributing to it and exacerbating the effects.

    *Board energy superiority guy

    All I asked for was specifics rather than "Keystone, 800k barrels a day, his polices!!!"

    I don't think you can tie any of what you said to a spike in prices. They would lead to a long term gradual rise. We are experiencing a shock.

    In the long term the restrictions on financing will be a major concern in future supply .

    Markets don't react with a shock in a few months to things that are 10 years down the road.

    By the way, one of my best holdings is $XOM. It closed today at almost 78. Up form 50 a year ago. It's barley off it's high. I don't think
    It's trading for shit
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 16,322 Standard Supporter

    After Covid and lockdowns is a pretty fucking big drop off to cancelling a pipeline that was years away from carrying oil. The lefts hyperbole and hypocrisy is what I hate about them the most. If the right does it, it needs to be called out as well.

    Biden is president, he owns it like all presidents have. But please be about the BidenBros with their cunt act.
    Barry and Cho Bai Den added years of delay to the Keystone XL pipeling. Years of delay to the building of other pipelines and LNG export terminals. Years of delay to offshore drilling and drilling in ANWR. The dementia patient didn't support any of this while he was senator and VP. He still owns it.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited February 2022

    Barry and Cho Bai Den added years of delay to the Keystone XL pipeling. Years of delay to the building of other pipelines and LNG export terminals. Years of delay to offshore drilling and drilling in ANWR. The dementia patient didn't support any of this while he was senator and VP. He still owns it.
    I'm fine with him owning it. But we are talking about a current shock in the short term. The things you are talkng about will result in a long term slower increase.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/30/us-oil-production-to-increase-further-in-2022-oil-expert-dan-yergin.html
    Yergin also predicted oil prices will stay in the $65 to $85 per barrel range and that $100 oil is unlikely “unless some big geopolitical turmoil happens.”


    Whoops
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 16,322 Standard Supporter

    I'm fine with him owning it. But we are talking about a current shock in the short term. The things you are talkng about will result in a long term slower increase.
    I'll agree with that. But the phuckers that put us in this mess should pay the price and they won't unless the American public makes them own it.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,322 Standard Supporter
    Shit we need a full forensic audit of the last election then we'd be rid of this clown with the actual winner in office. Fasted way to do it and prevent another loon from running our country into the ground.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,845 Swaye's Wigwam

    All I asked for was specifics rather than "Keystone, 800k barrels a day, his polices!!!"

    I don't think you can tie any of what you said to a spike in prices. They would lead to a long term gradual rise. We are experiencing a shock.

    In the long term the restrictions on financing will be a major concern in future supply .

    Markets don't react with a shock in a few months to things that are 10 years down the road.

    By the way, one of my best holdings is $XOM. It closed today at almost 78. Up form 50 a year ago. It's barley off it's high. I don't think
    It's trading for shit
    You don't think curbing current production has any impact on pricing?

    Let me say it again, I know of at least 3 major pipeline projects that were canceled due to the heightened cost of compliance and permitting. And yes, these would have been completed(or nearly) by now which does affect current pricing. This isn't anecdotal, it's indicative across the country. We are shutting in production lines while oil is sky high.

    EPA and DOT are out for blood right now and the DOE is at best "reluctant" to help. Death by a thousand audits. Aka Socialism by regulation.

    Then there's the whole swath of production that heald their breath and produced at a loss during covid counting on the upside swing on the other side. Guess what happened to them when Biden was elected and extended Covid insanity for another year plus and put them through the regulatory wringer? Production is easy to kill and hard to bring back online. Aka it's easy to drive prices up but hard to bring them back down.

    I understand the sentiment of being factual and honest. It's hugely important to have integrity in our claims unlike the BidenBros. This ain't that hill though, Biden owns a huge chunk of this mess, and that's before we even tie him back to his previous political record with Obama.

    I'm not sure what more you want, the alphabet bois bureaucracy is hugely impactful to current production and prices and serves at the pleasure of the executive. That alone is a huge driver of pricing domestically.

    This is literally what he ran on, curbing current domestic production. He owns it.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 45,859 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2022
    Sledog said:

    Shit we need a full forensic audit of the last election then we'd be rid of this clown with the actual winner in office. Fasted way to do it and prevent another loon from running our country into the ground.

    I don't give a fuck about the last election. It's over. Time to mock every move the leftists make until November when the adults get put back in charge.

    The audit needs to be procedural and controls put in place so one citizen, one vote. That's it.

    If it's purple fingerprints in person with ID, so be it. But this bullshit has to end or we fucked fucked fucked as a country.

    We may already be fucked.


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