Kyle Seagar (Seattle Mariners) Announces Retirement
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I agree with both of you. I don’t dive into advanced stats really, but as a coach, run production is my bag. Good chit!
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It is probable that many players truly worth $19 million would have had more run production than Seager had in 2021. He hit third 110 games and fourth 46 games with JP Crawford (.345 OBP hitting lead off) and the excellent Mitch Haniger hitting 2nd.Fishpo31 said:I agree with both of you. I don’t dive into advanced stats really, but as a coach, run production is my bag. Good chit!
In fact, one could argue that Seager often occupied the best slot in the batting order. He had good players in front of him to get on base, and thus available to be driven in while then he had Ty France behind him to make sure he saw good pitches.
Probably the worst indictment of him and similar to 2018, he didn't show up when needed most. In September when pushing for a playoff spot, he slashed .200 / .267 / .382 with just 16 RBIs (and 11 runs) in 28 games.
And the highest paid player really needs to be consistent but he only hit .159 / .245 / .329 with in 79 games at home with just 13 HRs and 34 RBIs (and 82 strikeouts). While that is certainly better than I could have done, it is shockingly bad. -
I think the best order would have been France third and Haniger fifth behind Seager. Can't recall but I thought I saw that lineup at times.HFNY said:
It is probable that many players truly worth $19 million would have had more run production than Seager had in 2021. He hit third 110 games and fourth 46 games with JP Crawford (.345 OBP hitting lead off) and the excellent Mitch Haniger hitting 2nd.Fishpo31 said:I agree with both of you. I don’t dive into advanced stats really, but as a coach, run production is my bag. Good chit!
In fact, one could argue that Seager often occupied the best slot in the batting order. He had good players in front of him to get on base, and thus available to be driven in while then he had Ty France behind him to make sure he saw good pitches.
Probably the worst indictment of him and similar to 2018, he didn't show up when needed most. In September when pushing for a playoff spot, he slashed .200 / .267 / .382 with just 16 RBIs (and 11 runs) in 28 games.
And the highest paid player really needs to be consistent but he only hit .159 / .245 / .329 with in 79 games at home with just 13 HRs and 34 RBIs (and 82 strikeouts). While that is certainly better than I could have done, it is shockingly bad.
This year there will be a pretty legit #2 hitter, and France in the third spot is going to kill it. That's what I hope happens. -
I see why you ran him...
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I would stay away from Bryant. It’s not talked about much, but most baseball players are just about done by the time they reach free agency. Most the time the big contracts are a waste.Fishpo31 said:Seager is a run producer, and run producers are 1. hard to find and, 2. very expensive. Lot of smoke about Kris Bryant coming here. According to Baseball Reference calculations, they project Seags (if he were to play in 2022) with 27 HR and 84 RBI. Bryant's projecting 21 HR and 62 RBI, with a most recent salary of $19.5mm.
The last few years Seager's BA dropped, but his run production increased. Agree about avoiding the payout, but they are gonna pay (or go without) one way or another. Expecting Toro to replace that production is a big reach, as is anyone replacing it in the immediate for under $20mm+...I've told my players for years, "Talk is cheap; runs are expensive"...
The new 2B and Toro for much less than Seager is a net win IMO. -
Yep. Pay 5 (or more) years at a premium for 2-3 years of premium production. I heard Sewald on the radio saying something to the effect that 50+% of the players in MLB last year made less than the minimum, due to prorated salaries…bring up the young’uns, use them, let them walk when they hit arbitration…works for Tampa…RoadDawg55 said:
I would stay away from Bryant. It’s not talked about much, but most baseball players are just about done by the time they reach free agency. Most the time the big contracts are a waste.Fishpo31 said:Seager is a run producer, and run producers are 1. hard to find and, 2. very expensive. Lot of smoke about Kris Bryant coming here. According to Baseball Reference calculations, they project Seags (if he were to play in 2022) with 27 HR and 84 RBI. Bryant's projecting 21 HR and 62 RBI, with a most recent salary of $19.5mm.
The last few years Seager's BA dropped, but his run production increased. Agree about avoiding the payout, but they are gonna pay (or go without) one way or another. Expecting Toro to replace that production is a big reach, as is anyone replacing it in the immediate for under $20mm+...I've told my players for years, "Talk is cheap; runs are expensive"...
The new 2B and Toro for much less than Seager is a net win IMO. -
I'm not a fan if signing Bryant to a long, bloated contract for maybe two good years.RoadDawg55 said:
I would stay away from Bryant. It’s not talked about much, but most baseball players are just about done by the time they reach free agency. Most the time the big contracts are a waste.Fishpo31 said:Seager is a run producer, and run producers are 1. hard to find and, 2. very expensive. Lot of smoke about Kris Bryant coming here. According to Baseball Reference calculations, they project Seags (if he were to play in 2022) with 27 HR and 84 RBI. Bryant's projecting 21 HR and 62 RBI, with a most recent salary of $19.5mm.
The last few years Seager's BA dropped, but his run production increased. Agree about avoiding the payout, but they are gonna pay (or go without) one way or another. Expecting Toro to replace that production is a big reach, as is anyone replacing it in the immediate for under $20mm+...I've told my players for years, "Talk is cheap; runs are expensive"...
The new 2B and Toro for much less than Seager is a net win IMO.
I dont know if it's at all possible, but the Ms top targets right now both play for the As in my mind. I'd be fully on board with risking a couple of good prospects and a regular like Toro if it could bring Chapman and Olson from Oakland. That could be a win now move that doesn't kill the farm system or the payroll.
3rd base is the only position they can add someone without disrupting the direction of the roster as I see it. Adding an outfielder creates a log jam in the event that Kelenic and Haniger continue where they left off, Lewis gets healthy, and Rodriguez proves ready.
Olson only costs about $12 mil per for two years and Chapman something like $18 for one iirc and Oakland wants to get rid of them. That's barely more than they would pay someone like Story or Bryant, for way more production, and neither would stand in the way of the young talent on the roster or in the system. Olson and France could platoon DH/1b. It's beautiful.
Spend any remaining free agent money to upgrade depth or just save it. This roster desperately needs more run producers and the two best fits are not free agents. -
Olson would be great. Chapman is good too but the bat is a little too streaky. It’s never too wise to count on young guys but Julio should be a legit bat from day 1. Of the service time aspect changes with the lockout, he needs to be in the lineup opening day. Otherwise, bring him up the first day possible.chuck said:
I'm not a fan if signing Bryant to a long, bloated contract for maybe two good years.RoadDawg55 said:
I would stay away from Bryant. It’s not talked about much, but most baseball players are just about done by the time they reach free agency. Most the time the big contracts are a waste.Fishpo31 said:Seager is a run producer, and run producers are 1. hard to find and, 2. very expensive. Lot of smoke about Kris Bryant coming here. According to Baseball Reference calculations, they project Seags (if he were to play in 2022) with 27 HR and 84 RBI. Bryant's projecting 21 HR and 62 RBI, with a most recent salary of $19.5mm.
The last few years Seager's BA dropped, but his run production increased. Agree about avoiding the payout, but they are gonna pay (or go without) one way or another. Expecting Toro to replace that production is a big reach, as is anyone replacing it in the immediate for under $20mm+...I've told my players for years, "Talk is cheap; runs are expensive"...
The new 2B and Toro for much less than Seager is a net win IMO.
I dont know if it's at all possible, but the Ms top targets right now both play for the As in my mind. I'd be fully on board with risking a couple of good prospects and a regular like Toro if it could bring Chapman and Olson from Oakland. That could be a win now move that doesn't kill the farm system or the payroll.
3rd base is the only position they can add someone without disrupting the direction of the roster as I see it. Adding an outfielder creates a log jam in the event that Kelenic and Haniger continue where they left off, Lewis gets healthy, and Rodriguez proves ready.
Olson only costs about $12 mil per for two years and Chapman something like $18 for one iirc and Oakland wants to get rid of them. That's barely more than they would pay someone like Story or Bryant, for way more production, and neither would stand in the way of the young talent on the roster or in the system. Olson and France could platoon DH/1b. It's beautiful.
Spend any remaining free agent money to upgrade depth or just save it. This roster desperately needs more run producers and the two best fits are not free agents.
I think Kelenic is more of a AAAA player than a quality big leaguer but he will hit 25+ HR’s. The problem is he will probably hit .200 and strike out a ton too.
Mariners have a decent team but they are still the Mariners. A typical Mariners team finishes under .500 after last year’s record. We’ll see. -
I still think Kelenic will exceed your expectations.RoadDawg55 said:
Olson would be great. Chapman is good too but the bat is a little too streaky. It’s never too wise to count on young guys but Julio should be a legit bat from day 1. Of the service time aspect changes with the lockout, he needs to be in the lineup opening day. Otherwise, bring him up the first day possible.chuck said:
I'm not a fan if signing Bryant to a long, bloated contract for maybe two good years.RoadDawg55 said:
I would stay away from Bryant. It’s not talked about much, but most baseball players are just about done by the time they reach free agency. Most the time the big contracts are a waste.Fishpo31 said:Seager is a run producer, and run producers are 1. hard to find and, 2. very expensive. Lot of smoke about Kris Bryant coming here. According to Baseball Reference calculations, they project Seags (if he were to play in 2022) with 27 HR and 84 RBI. Bryant's projecting 21 HR and 62 RBI, with a most recent salary of $19.5mm.
The last few years Seager's BA dropped, but his run production increased. Agree about avoiding the payout, but they are gonna pay (or go without) one way or another. Expecting Toro to replace that production is a big reach, as is anyone replacing it in the immediate for under $20mm+...I've told my players for years, "Talk is cheap; runs are expensive"...
The new 2B and Toro for much less than Seager is a net win IMO.
I dont know if it's at all possible, but the Ms top targets right now both play for the As in my mind. I'd be fully on board with risking a couple of good prospects and a regular like Toro if it could bring Chapman and Olson from Oakland. That could be a win now move that doesn't kill the farm system or the payroll.
3rd base is the only position they can add someone without disrupting the direction of the roster as I see it. Adding an outfielder creates a log jam in the event that Kelenic and Haniger continue where they left off, Lewis gets healthy, and Rodriguez proves ready.
Olson only costs about $12 mil per for two years and Chapman something like $18 for one iirc and Oakland wants to get rid of them. That's barely more than they would pay someone like Story or Bryant, for way more production, and neither would stand in the way of the young talent on the roster or in the system. Olson and France could platoon DH/1b. It's beautiful.
Spend any remaining free agent money to upgrade depth or just save it. This roster desperately needs more run producers and the two best fits are not free agents.
I think Kelenic is more of a AAAA player than a quality big leaguer but he will hit 25+ HR’s. The problem is he will probably hit .200 and strike out a ton too.
Mariners have a decent team but they are still the Mariners. A typical Mariners team finishes under .500 after last year’s record. We’ll see.
Chapman would be a rental. Olson has two years of club control and who knows? Maybe he could be extended?
They aren't quite there but they're still in a position to build both for right now and the long term if they do it right. The key is to not get saddled with any aging has-beens for the long term. -
I think one day Kelenic will be a solid big leaguer. I don’t have high hopes for him in a Mariners uniform. He was really bad last year. .181 over 300+ at bats isn’t a fluke.chuck said:
I still think Kelenic will exceed your expectations.RoadDawg55 said:
Olson would be great. Chapman is good too but the bat is a little too streaky. It’s never too wise to count on young guys but Julio should be a legit bat from day 1. Of the service time aspect changes with the lockout, he needs to be in the lineup opening day. Otherwise, bring him up the first day possible.chuck said:
I'm not a fan if signing Bryant to a long, bloated contract for maybe two good years.RoadDawg55 said:
I would stay away from Bryant. It’s not talked about much, but most baseball players are just about done by the time they reach free agency. Most the time the big contracts are a waste.Fishpo31 said:Seager is a run producer, and run producers are 1. hard to find and, 2. very expensive. Lot of smoke about Kris Bryant coming here. According to Baseball Reference calculations, they project Seags (if he were to play in 2022) with 27 HR and 84 RBI. Bryant's projecting 21 HR and 62 RBI, with a most recent salary of $19.5mm.
The last few years Seager's BA dropped, but his run production increased. Agree about avoiding the payout, but they are gonna pay (or go without) one way or another. Expecting Toro to replace that production is a big reach, as is anyone replacing it in the immediate for under $20mm+...I've told my players for years, "Talk is cheap; runs are expensive"...
The new 2B and Toro for much less than Seager is a net win IMO.
I dont know if it's at all possible, but the Ms top targets right now both play for the As in my mind. I'd be fully on board with risking a couple of good prospects and a regular like Toro if it could bring Chapman and Olson from Oakland. That could be a win now move that doesn't kill the farm system or the payroll.
3rd base is the only position they can add someone without disrupting the direction of the roster as I see it. Adding an outfielder creates a log jam in the event that Kelenic and Haniger continue where they left off, Lewis gets healthy, and Rodriguez proves ready.
Olson only costs about $12 mil per for two years and Chapman something like $18 for one iirc and Oakland wants to get rid of them. That's barely more than they would pay someone like Story or Bryant, for way more production, and neither would stand in the way of the young talent on the roster or in the system. Olson and France could platoon DH/1b. It's beautiful.
Spend any remaining free agent money to upgrade depth or just save it. This roster desperately needs more run producers and the two best fits are not free agents.
I think Kelenic is more of a AAAA player than a quality big leaguer but he will hit 25+ HR’s. The problem is he will probably hit .200 and strike out a ton too.
Mariners have a decent team but they are still the Mariners. A typical Mariners team finishes under .500 after last year’s record. We’ll see.
Chapman would be a rental. Olson has two years of club control and who knows? Maybe he could be extended?
They aren't quite there but they're still in a position to build both for right now and the long term if they do it right. The key is to not get saddled with any aging has-beens for the long term.
