The thing about Lanning
The thing about Lanning though is that he already has a serious red flag in staying on with Georgia through the playoffs. Brian Kelly left Notre Dame with a playoff berth still in the cards because he knows there isn't a moment to waste. I would be concerned about his sense of urgency and how well he understands what is required to run a program. Maybe his involvement with Georgia will actually be negligible and he is actually hitting the ground running. The next few weeks should be very telling in terms of your next few years' trajectory. If he isn't in recruits' homes and the staff isn't filled out shortly that is a damning sign.
Not to say there isn't hope, there is a lot more to hiring a bad coach than finding someone to start the next day, but being a head coach is more than being charming and knowing x's and o's.
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According to the UGA site Muschamp and another defensive coach are taking over the D heavy lifting prep for their playoff game.
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Would be best for Oregon if he dropped UGA cold turkey, but I doubt anyone blames him if he stays on until they lose to Bama again.
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Many of the UGA fans think he should just walk now because he can't focus on their playoff run solely. Agreed.
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He needs to stay on because this is his only chance at a Natty.46XiJCAB said:Many of the UGA fans think he should just walk now because he can't focus on their playoff run solely. Agreed.
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Assistant TO the Natty.Goduckies said: -
You're not properly appreciating the value of the FREE PUB that comes from Georgia's CFP appearance. You just can't put a price on something like that.
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Haie still wanking to JStew getting stuffed for a loss, doesn’t realize Dennis Dixon is 30 yards upfield.haie said:
He needs to stay on because this is his only chance at a Natty.46XiJCAB said:Many of the UGA fans think he should just walk now because he can't focus on their playoff run solely. Agreed.
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Think of the Free Pub Oregon is going to get
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Free Pub U > No Pub U
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The odds are even more so stacked he's worse than Meat is/was since he was a more or less known quantity. It's chaos and unnecessary risk for a program that was arguably trending in the right directions and in that, Doogs can rejoice.
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Better to hire potential than known mediocrity.UW_Doog_Bot said:The odds are even more so stacked he's worse than Meat is/was since he was a more or less known quantity. It's chaos and unnecessary risk for a program that was arguably trending in the right directions and in that, Doogs can rejoice.
Still better to take a shot than settle for Wilcucks.
Meat was a tremendous recruiter. Lanning will have an extremely difficult time matching what Meat did on that front. But in regards to in game coaching, Meat left an extremely low bar. It won't take much to improve on that front. As long as Lanning is 80%-90% what Meat was in recruiting, and is "competent" in game, then it's a net plus for Oregon. But nothing has been seen yet. -
Always better to take a shot IMHO. All but two or three guys are a shot. This guy is either Stoops or Will Muschamp. You just never know.UW_Doog_Bot said:The odds are even more so stacked he's worse than Meat is/was since he was a more or less known quantity. It's chaos and unnecessary risk for a program that was arguably trending in the right directions and in that, Doogs can rejoice.
Still better to take a shot than settle for Wilcucks.
The randomness of success and the overwhelming odds in favor of failure, for everybody, is such that the market for their services is completely detached from reality. It is very clear that in Division 1 coaching, the demand side is full of irrational actors. -
I'd take any risk on a newbie than hiring a retread. Retreads very rarely work out if ever. Kiffin being the one exception I'd make.UW_Doog_Bot said:The odds are even more so stacked he's worse than Meat is/was since he was a more or less known quantity. It's chaos and unnecessary risk for a program that was arguably trending in the right directions and in that, Doogs can rejoice.
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TLDR: Wrong, as usual. Meticulous examples follow.greenblood said:
I'd take any risk on a newbie than hiring a retread. Retreads very rarely work out if ever. Kiffin being the one exception I'd make.UW_Doog_Bot said:The odds are even more so stacked he's worse than Meat is/was since he was a more or less known quantity. It's chaos and unnecessary risk for a program that was arguably trending in the right directions and in that, Doogs can rejoice.
Still better to take a shot than settle for Wilcucks.
I’d like to hear your definition of a retread, because in my definition they’ve won most of the national titles in the last two decades.
Retreads or underachieving coach promotions to better programs have worked plenty of times. Gene Chizik was 5-19 at Iowa State, but let’s credit his national title to Cam Newton and Auburn’s pyramid bank scheme booster. Without mentioning Pete Carroll, here’s a few others who worked:
Ed Orgeron was fired after 10-25 at Ole Piss.
Meanwhile, Tommy Tuberville was 25-20 at Ole Piss and 12-20 in SEC play. At Auburn he went 85-40 (52-30 in SEC) and had a 13-0 season. But before you think it’s just Oxford and want even more Kiffin, there are others.
Mack Brown had a 53% winning percentage before Texas. He started off 2-20 at UNC and was 19-48 in his first six seasons as a head coach. At Texas he won 77% of his games.
For the first 12 of his 16 seasons at Texas it was at 83% wins with a national title. Mack rode four top-20 draft picks on the DL, plus multiple time All-Pros Jeff Saturday and Dre Bly, to two 10 win seasons, but before that he was average.
Nick Saban’s first four years at Michigan State he was 25-22-1 He coached there for five seasons, going 9-2 in the last one after those 6, 6, 7, 6 win seasons. Before that 9 win season, which was aided by Herman Ho-Fumble, his best season was 7-5, before LSU hired him to replace Gerry DiNardo.
Fun fact: DiNardo was 19-25 at Vandy before LSU hired him. His first year in 1995 LSU had their first winning record since 1988. He went 26-9-1 in his first three seasons at LSU. Shit was going so good that he opened an Italian restaurant in Baton Rouge before he was fired after two losing seasons in the midst of a third, so I’m not calling him a success but showing how a retread turned that program around. Saban’s replacement Les Miles was 16-16 in the tuff Big-12. He went 116-34 at LSU. With a title.
Lou Holththtthz was great at Arkansas, but when Notre Dame hired him he was coming off a 10-12 tenure at Minnesota.
Does Mike Riley count? 8-15 at Boov, shat out by the NFL, comes back and goes 85-65, which you know is a miracle.
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What has Orgeron done without Burrow?
Nick Saban actually made Michigan into a program. Michigan st isn’t where they are at now, without the foundation Saban made
Typically fired coaches don’t work out at new programs.
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Huh? Michigan state absolutely bottomed out after Saban left…thanks to our own Bobby Williams and then John l Smith. Dantonio took over a 1 conference win team 8 years post-Saban and built that program from the ground up.greenblood said:What has Orgeron done without Burrow?
Nick Saban actually made Michigan into a program. Michigan st isn’t where they are at now, without the foundation Saban made
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Didn’t realize how bad they got the Lambo treatment. Because it was trending up when Saban left.ntxduck said:
Huh? Michigan state absolutely bottomed out after Saban left…thanks to our own Bobby Williams and then John l Smith. Dantonio took over a 1 conference win team 8 years post-Saban and built that program from the ground up.greenblood said:What has Orgeron done without Burrow?
Nick Saban actually made Michigan into a program. Michigan st isn’t where they are at now, without the foundation Saban made
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Then Mario let the guy who helf’d their program run the worst special teams unit in p5 for 4 yearsgreenblood said:
Didn’t realize how bad they got the Lambo treatment. Because it was trending up when Saban left.ntxduck said:
Huh? Michigan state absolutely bottomed out after Saban left…thanks to our own Bobby Williams and then John l Smith. Dantonio took over a 1 conference win team 8 years post-Saban and built that program from the ground up.greenblood said:What has Orgeron done without Burrow?
Nick Saban actually made Michigan into a program. Michigan st isn’t where they are at now, without the foundation Saban made
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The kick coverage was horrible, and I can't remember the last time we had a decent kickoff return since maybe Wright at USC.ntxduck said:
Then Mario let the guy who helf’d their program run the worst special teams unit in p5 for 4 yearsgreenblood said:
Didn’t realize how bad they got the Lambo treatment. Because it was trending up when Saban left.ntxduck said:
Huh? Michigan state absolutely bottomed out after Saban left…thanks to our own Bobby Williams and then John l Smith. Dantonio took over a 1 conference win team 8 years post-Saban and built that program from the ground up.greenblood said:What has Orgeron done without Burrow?
Nick Saban actually made Michigan into a program. Michigan st isn’t where they are at now, without the foundation Saban made
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You’re right. The only reason Ed O won that Natty is because of the talented players he brought in.greenblood said:What has Orgeron done without Burrow?
Nick Saban actually made Michigan into a program. Michigan st isn’t where they are at now, without the foundation Saban made
Typically fired coaches don’t work out at new programs.
What has COACH done without PLAYER is a really dumb question when coach brought in the player, from the portal no less, after Urban Meyer didn’t start him in favor of JT Barrett.
Not defending Ed O, just saying he sucked at Ole Miss and he didn’t suck at LSU until he stopped caring. LSU takes that deal every time.
The topic at hand was retreads and Wilcocks. You said they rarely, if ever, work out. The fact is they do - at the same clip as any other coaching hire besides an in his prime future hall-of-famer. A coach with a mediocre record at a shit program can be very successful at a good program.
