What is considered "Success" for DeBoner?
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there will be no success
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Win the North year 1
There's not many 4 stars we have that were can't miss top-shelf 4 star guys and/or can be considered overrated at this point. Most of them are gone and Savell was a 5 star.fouchpotato said:
Perhaps our cup runneth over with overrated 4 stars and shitty coaching??CallMeBigErn said:
Hey perhaps it was shitty coaching. Food for thought.PasadenaHuskyFan said:
A lot of the talented four stars on the roster looked like shit this year. There’s a real chance the team isn’t as talented as you think it is or based on the “blue chip” ratiobackthepack said:
Good. You're a fag. Win or gtfo, it's not hard to win here with our current roster.PasadenaHuskyFan said:
Prepare to be disappointed buddy. It’s going to be a rebuilding year. Set your expectations too high and you’ll hate DeBoer before you have to.backthepack said:
fagPasadenaHuskyFan said:The team just went 4-8… if DeBoer finishes above .500 and wins his bowl game, I’ll consider that a successful first season and my expectations will jumpy significantly for year 2.
Contenders:
- McMillan, Odunze - Jury still out imo. Give them an OC and a quarterback not named Dylan Morris. The usher in section 224 idgaf.
- Sam Adams - Rated 287. Buried in depth. Maybe he switches positions or thrives as a pass-catching back, but yeah, very overrated at this point. May quit and pursue cinematography.
- The 2018 DL (Tuli, Taki, DRACO BYNUM). Def most overrated. JFC SMH. Wtf happened here?
- Asa - Some say he's still running into blocks to this day. If he cuts his hair, tacks on 20 lbs, and starts drinking before games and smashing himself in the face with helmets like Owen Schmitt, maybe. Not counting on it.
- Heimuli - dunno, maybe?
- Cam Davis - He is not a visionary yet. Overrated, but again, the offense. I have shreds of hope remaining.
- Irvin - Dude has been a walking talking injury so I dont know
Man, the 2018 class sucked ass in hindsight, holy shitballs.
https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2018-Football/Commits/
I don't think the 4* linemen from 2019/2020 can be considered overrated at this point (Tuitele, Bandes, Buelow, Kalepo, Fautanu, Murao, RoseGarden, Hatchett). Not many 4* linemen come in as underclassmen and dominate. They need marinating, especially with a lost year (two? three?). That excuse is gone for Tuli/Taki tho. Much disappoint.
Then there's Jacobe, Redman, Prentice, Tinae, Fabiculanan. The jury is still deliberating.
Man, many 4* recruits aint round no mo. Spiker, Yankoff, QB Sirmon, Osborne, Lowe, Latu, Nacua, Dylan Morris (wishful thinking), Calvert, Paama, Garbers, Jack Yary RIP, the other Latu... Woof.
The 4* slate has sucked the last few years, but not many remain who we can say are overrated. I can say that I'm excited about the futures of the 3* who have proven to be/may prove to be underrated (Hampton, ZTF, Curne, Trice, Sawyer, Bruener, Sunday, Esteen, GAAARD, Spears, Peihopa, Moore, Wyrsch, Heims). And who knows what the future holds for your friend and mine, Samuel Peacock? Only time will tell.
I don't know what to expect next year but we should have the horses to contend in the Norf. May the best team win. -
I just want clean games where everyone has funWith all of the parity in the PAC-12, with every game being close and tough, I don't see why this Dwags squad can't make it to at least the NFC Championship Game.
For real, though, there are some massive roster holes that I just don't see being fixed. We're about to see DBU devolve into one of the worst secondaries in the conference in record tim. The quarterback situation is downright dire. The receivers catch more than they drop. Barely. Jake Westover is the #1 tight end. The only hope for the offensive line is that it was criminally mismanaged this season.
The 2019 team lost a shitload from the 2018 Wose Bow quitter squad, but I still saw what was coming up through the ranks and dooged (learned a valuable lesson there): BDGS quarterback, experienced OL, all of those 4-star receivers that DDY and Dennis jacked it to but never amounted to anything, Otton, every 4-star DT in the conference, and a bunch of young DB talent that I expected to step up immediately. Almost none of that "talent" was ready yet (or were just ranked improperly and sucked), and the team shit the bed.
2022? Seriously, what position do you feel good about? What cupboards are full? Both starting corners are gone. Next guy up (multiple game starter when Gordon was in the nickel) was a walk-on. I don't even remember seeing a fourth guy play at all outside. Speed at linebacker is just not there. DTs are not keeping the linebackers clean. DEs lose contain constantly and don't produce sacks. No need to even get specific about the offensive side of the ball.
This isn't just a Lake problem. This team is suffering from multiple years of poor evaluations and getting "starstruck," apparently. There's shockingly little evident talent relative to TBS talent. I've been wondering to myself about Chuck's S&C deficiencies theory myself since at least 2019. There's some kind of combination of absolute shit coaching, gaping holes in the talent pool, and a broken S&C program. That doesn't get fixed overnight, transfer portal or not.
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Win the North year 1For years all we heard was that UW was the most talented team in the conference. The defense is still good, despite the whinging here, and I think Huard will beat out Morris and be good. Who knows how Oregon ends up. Winning the north year 1 should be the minimum expectation. This conference fucking sucks.
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Janet Reno/OtherDoogs just want to have fun again
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Win the North year 2
Big results would be 8-4 which shouldn't be enough to win the North. Personally, I don't see a ton of talent on the team and QB is a gaping hole on the roster if he doesn't get a portal transfer.Swaye said:If a VP gets hired over a major division do they get to miss financial targets for a year while they figure it out? Um, not at any successful company. When you get paid big money results are expected. Not in two years, but now. Win or GTFO, same as it ever was. This place is full of doogs (new version) now. Have some fucking standards. Christ.
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Win the North year 1
So get the portal transfer and figure it the fuck out. Win or EMFA Deboner.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Big results would be 8-4 which shouldn't be enough to win the North. Personally, I don't see a ton of talent on the team and QB is a gaping hole on the roster if he doesn't get a portal transfer.Swaye said:If a VP gets hired over a major division do they get to miss financial targets for a year while they figure it out? Um, not at any successful company. When you get paid big money results are expected. Not in two years, but now. Win or GTFO, same as it ever was. This place is full of doogs (new version) now. Have some fucking standards. Christ.
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Win the North year 2We have zero depth at certain positions. And what… 7 commits? DeBoer has his work cut out for him. All you message board incels are used to instant gratification with HD internet porn.. if you want to go out and bang a real girl it takes a minute. The kids portaling into a 4-8 team won’t be the top rated portal kids even if DeBoer is an elite recruiter. Let him finish hiring a staff, show improvement on the field, rack up more wins than loses then win a bowl. Now He has something to recruit guys off of. Chill…
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Win the North year 2I think year one’s success should be defined by the product on the field.
Fundamentals I want to see improved:
- blocking
- tackling
- route-running
- through-the-whistle effort on every down
- defense swarming to the ball
- QB not throwing the ball into the defensive line
If those improve enough, I could see us winning the North the first year, but I don’t hold that as the measure of this team’s success. Just play better. -
Win the North year 2
I swear so many posters here instantly forgot how fucking shit this team was this year the second DeBoer was hired. One day he was the coach of a GOOD Fresno team the next the coach of the (arguably) shittiest Washington team since 0-12. Anyone expecting an instant turnaround to win the north year 1 is going to be disappointed.BCoveysLifeInsPolicy said:I think year one’s success should be defined by the product on the field.
Fundamentals I want to see improved:
- blocking
- tackling
- route-running
- through-the-whistle effort on every down
- defense swarming to the ball
- QB not throwing the ball into the defensive line
If those improve enough, I could see us winning the North the first year, but I don’t hold that as the measure of this team’s success. Just play better. -
Win the North year 1
It was, but it was also with F level QB play and the team quit after ASU.PasadenaHuskyFan said:
I swear so many posters here instantly forgot how fucking shit this team was this year the second DeBoer was hired. One day he was the coach of a GOOD Fresno team the next the coach of the (arguably) shittiest Washington team since 0-12. Anyone expecting an instant turnaround to win the north year 1 is going to be disappointed.BCoveysLifeInsPolicy said:I think year one’s success should be defined by the product on the field.
Fundamentals I want to see improved:
- blocking
- tackling
- route-running
- through-the-whistle effort on every down
- defense swarming to the ball
- QB not throwing the ball into the defensive line
If those improve enough, I could see us winning the North the first year, but I don’t hold that as the measure of this team’s success. Just play better. -
Win the North year 1
Lost to Beavs by 3, UCLA by 7, Oregon by 10, ASU by 5, Colorado by 3, and Wazzu by 27.PasadenaHuskyFan said:
I swear so many posters here instantly forgot how fucking shit this team was this year the second DeBoer was hired. One day he was the coach of a GOOD Fresno team the next the coach of the (arguably) shittiest Washington team since 0-12. Anyone expecting an instant turnaround to win the north year 1 is going to be disappointed.BCoveysLifeInsPolicy said:I think year one’s success should be defined by the product on the field.
Fundamentals I want to see improved:
- blocking
- tackling
- route-running
- through-the-whistle effort on every down
- defense swarming to the ball
- QB not throwing the ball into the defensive line
If those improve enough, I could see us winning the North the first year, but I don’t hold that as the measure of this team’s success. Just play better.
If DeBoer and his offense can't turn those first 5 Lake losses into wins, then he's the wrong coach.
Win those 5 games and we win the north. Shouldn't be that hard in Year 1 -
Win the North year 1This reminds me of the hollow praise Sark got his first year for turning around a winless team, when in reality, that winless team gave up on Willingham early and didn’t give a shit. Even with the shitty roster, that team should have won four games minimum.
Jump ahead to 2022, and doogs will be crowning DeBoner as the next Don James when UW goes 8-4 and plays in the Holiday Bowel.
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Win the North year 1
0-12 had 5 win talent.PasadenaHuskyFan said:
I swear so many posters here instantly forgot how fucking shit this team was this year the second DeBoer was hired. One day he was the coach of a GOOD Fresno team the next the coach of the (arguably) shittiest Washington team since 0-12. Anyone expecting an instant turnaround to win the north year 1 is going to be disappointed.BCoveysLifeInsPolicy said:I think year one’s success should be defined by the product on the field.
Fundamentals I want to see improved:
- blocking
- tackling
- route-running
- through-the-whistle effort on every down
- defense swarming to the ball
- QB not throwing the ball into the defensive line
If those improve enough, I could see us winning the North the first year, but I don’t hold that as the measure of this team’s success. Just play better.
4-8 had 9 or 10 win talent.
Win or GTFO
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Win the North year 2
the pac was way stronger overall during 0-12... hththeknowledge said:
0-12 had 5 win talent.PasadenaHuskyFan said:
I swear so many posters here instantly forgot how fucking shit this team was this year the second DeBoer was hired. One day he was the coach of a GOOD Fresno team the next the coach of the (arguably) shittiest Washington team since 0-12. Anyone expecting an instant turnaround to win the north year 1 is going to be disappointed.BCoveysLifeInsPolicy said:I think year one’s success should be defined by the product on the field.
Fundamentals I want to see improved:
- blocking
- tackling
- route-running
- through-the-whistle effort on every down
- defense swarming to the ball
- QB not throwing the ball into the defensive line
If those improve enough, I could see us winning the North the first year, but I don’t hold that as the measure of this team’s success. Just play better.
4-8 had 9 or 10 win talent.
Win or GTFO
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Win the North year 1
Which means it's easier to hit 9 wins now.PasadenaHuskyFan said:
the pac was way stronger overall during 0-12... hththeknowledge said:
0-12 had 5 win talent.PasadenaHuskyFan said:
I swear so many posters here instantly forgot how fucking shit this team was this year the second DeBoer was hired. One day he was the coach of a GOOD Fresno team the next the coach of the (arguably) shittiest Washington team since 0-12. Anyone expecting an instant turnaround to win the north year 1 is going to be disappointed.BCoveysLifeInsPolicy said:I think year one’s success should be defined by the product on the field.
Fundamentals I want to see improved:
- blocking
- tackling
- route-running
- through-the-whistle effort on every down
- defense swarming to the ball
- QB not throwing the ball into the defensive line
If those improve enough, I could see us winning the North the first year, but I don’t hold that as the measure of this team’s success. Just play better.
4-8 had 9 or 10 win talent.
Win or GTFO
HTH
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Win the North year 2
not arguing against any take I had. arguing against the idea that the 0-12 team was significantly worse than 4-8. Reading comprehension is hard.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Which means it's easier to hit 9 wins now.PasadenaHuskyFan said:
the pac was way stronger overall during 0-12... hththeknowledge said:
0-12 had 5 win talent.PasadenaHuskyFan said:
I swear so many posters here instantly forgot how fucking shit this team was this year the second DeBoer was hired. One day he was the coach of a GOOD Fresno team the next the coach of the (arguably) shittiest Washington team since 0-12. Anyone expecting an instant turnaround to win the north year 1 is going to be disappointed.BCoveysLifeInsPolicy said:I think year one’s success should be defined by the product on the field.
Fundamentals I want to see improved:
- blocking
- tackling
- route-running
- through-the-whistle effort on every down
- defense swarming to the ball
- QB not throwing the ball into the defensive line
If those improve enough, I could see us winning the North the first year, but I don’t hold that as the measure of this team’s success. Just play better.
4-8 had 9 or 10 win talent.
Win or GTFO
HTH
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Win the North year 2If Haener was coming in I'd feel very confident we at least tie for 1st in the North next year. Huard hasn't been coached in literally years so I can doog myself into hoping, but in my heart of hearts I am extremely worried that he is actually pretty damn awful. I think we're in trouble, barring another transfer portal QB savior.
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Win the North year 1I'm going to need to see the blue chip ratio
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Win the North year 2Year 1 is all about instilling the culture change, developing the roster, and getting people bought in or bought out
8-4 is a really good bar … anything less and we should be really concerned
There’s reasons to be overly optimistic but there will be steps backwards before taking steps forward
The offense should turn the corner next year IMO … the talent is there
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Win the North year 1
Agree for the most part but….Tequilla said:Year 1 is all about instilling the culture change, developing the roster, and getting people bought in or bought out
8-4 is a really good bar … anything less and we should be really concerned
There’s reasons to be overly optimistic but there will be steps backwards before taking steps forward
The offense should turn the corner next year IMO … the talent is there
The defense is going to be a concern until proven otherwise … could be looking at a 1-3 year rebuild there to be honest
Wazzu had a decent defense with far less talent. It doesn’t take 3 years to build a defense. That’s crazy.
If uw has good quarterback play and an avg defense there’s enough on this roster to win the north. That’s more about how shitty the conference is more than anything else. This may require finding a starter via the portal.
Utah had a shitty offense and their best player died in the off season, their best wideout transferred and they figured out how to improve and dominated the conference. They hit the portal for 3 tailbacks and improved. Coaching matters, especially when the majority of programs really do suck. -
Win the North year 2
In fairness I said 1-3 years on the defenseAtomicDawg said:
Agree for the most part but….Tequilla said:Year 1 is all about instilling the culture change, developing the roster, and getting people bought in or bought out
8-4 is a really good bar … anything less and we should be really concerned
There’s reasons to be overly optimistic but there will be steps backwards before taking steps forward
The offense should turn the corner next year IMO … the talent is there
The defense is going to be a concern until proven otherwise … could be looking at a 1-3 year rebuild there to be honest
Wazzu had a decent defense with far less talent. It doesn’t take 3 years to build a defense. That’s crazy.
If uw has good quarterback play and an avg defense there’s enough on this roster to win the north. That’s more about how shitty the conference is more than anything else. This may require finding a starter via the portal.
My bigger point is that at least initially what success looks like for UW probably is going to reside in games going over the total
The secondary looks like a mess to me … good news is that creates opportunity in recruiting and it’s a position you can start early
LB is a bit of a LIPO to me as I don’t think we are terrible but probably lack some athleticism
DL we are big but not really athletic enough IMO … perhaps some scheme change will help here but it’s also a large concern
OLB/DE we have some guys there that could hit if they continue to develop
It’s probably an average at best Unit across the board
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Win the North year 2I agree with Tequilla though 7-5 is a possibility depending on who the QB is and how good Michigan State is in 2022.
I actually feel pretty good about the D except for the corners. The DL does have talent and the LBs will be good / experienced. Dom Hampton is a bad man at SS and there are some decent options for FS.
Covid eligibility rules helped UW due to the small 2021 and 2022 classes and the 2023 class can then be a loaded one.
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Win the North year 2
It’s imperative that we have a massive 2023 class … lots of opportunity for this staff to sellHFNY said:I agree with Tequilla though 7-5 is a possibility depending on who the QB is and how good Michigan State is in 2022.
I actually feel pretty good about the D except for the corners. The DL does have talent and the LBs will be good / experienced. Dom Hampton is a bad man at SS and there are some decent options for FS.
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Win the North year 1
8-4 could be good enough to win the North next year...Tequilla said:Year 1 is all about instilling the culture change, developing the roster, and getting people bought in or bought out
8-4 is a really good bar … anything less and we should be really concerned
There’s reasons to be overly optimistic but there will be steps backwards before taking steps forward
The offense should turn the corner next year IMO … the talent is there
The defense is going to be a concern until proven otherwise … could be looking at a 1-3 year rebuild there to be honest -
I just want clean games where everyone has fun
I've pointed this out as well, and I think it's a really underrated aspect of the challenge for next year. There are two corners off to the NFL. What was behind them? Mishael Powell, who I thought played pretty well for a young walk-on, but there's a big difference between that and a pair of NFL guys. I didn't watch ever game, and punished my liver when I was stupid enough to watch, but I don't recall even seeing a fourth corner put into the games. Surely it happened, but it must have been awfully rare. What does that suggest to me about the guys like Covington, who many here seem to think will pop right in there and be fine? It means that they couldn't be trusted on the field. At least not as much as the walk-on.Tequilla said:The secondary looks like a mess to me … good news is that creates opportunity in recruiting and it’s a position you can start early
That's what's coming up at corner.
As for the safeties, I liked Bookie, but he's gone. I didn't see anybody else who wasn't a liability against either run or pass. Those hoping that it was just terrible scheme holding these guys back are setting themselves up for disappointment.
The front six has not proven to be able to cover every gap and stop the run, but I just don't see a secondary that's good enough to move out of base nickel on all but the most obvious run downs. Not enough strength/explosiveness at DT, not enough speed at LB, and a secondary without a single player who has demonstrated three-down reliability and upper tier playmaking. -
Win the North year 2
A lot of things have to get a lot better or UW is a .500 team next year. Secondary play I'm coverage and run support both have to be huge concerns, along with ILB, OLB, and DL.1to392831weretaken said:
I've pointed this out as well, and I think it's a really underrated aspect of the challenge for next year. There are two corners off to the NFL. What was behind them? Mishael Powell, who I thought played pretty well for a young walk-on, but there's a big difference between that and a pair of NFL guys. I didn't watch ever game, and punished my liver when I was stupid enough to watch, but I don't recall even seeing a fourth corner put into the games. Surely it happened, but it must have been awfully rare. What does that suggest to me about the guys like Covington, who many here seem to think will pop right in there and be fine? It means that they couldn't be trusted on the field. At least not as much as the walk-on.Tequilla said:The secondary looks like a mess to me … good news is that creates opportunity in recruiting and it’s a position you can start early
That's what's coming up at corner.
As for the safeties, I liked Bookie, but he's gone. I didn't see anybody else who wasn't a liability against either run or pass. Those hoping that it was just terrible scheme holding these guys back are setting themselves up for disappointment.
The front six has not proven to be able to cover every gap and stop the run, but I just don't see a secondary that's good enough to move out of base nickel on all but the most obvious run downs. Not enough strength/explosiveness at DT, not enough speed at LB, and a secondary without a single player who has demonstrated three-down reliability and upper tier playmaking.
I think the long snapper should make a huge leap and Henry is really good at getting touch backs. It's just all the other units that need a near total turnaround. Piece of cake. -
I just want clean games where everyone has fun
Not sure I agree. This limp dick team was already close to .500 as it was. Going 8-4 or worse is really fucking easy when you play in a conference like this. If you have a coach who isn't a raging retard then you're already 81% of the way there.chuck said:
A lot of things have to get a lot better or UW is a .500 team next year. Secondary play I'm coverage and run support both have to be huge concerns, along with ILB, OLB, and DL.1to392831weretaken said:
I've pointed this out as well, and I think it's a really underrated aspect of the challenge for next year. There are two corners off to the NFL. What was behind them? Mishael Powell, who I thought played pretty well for a young walk-on, but there's a big difference between that and a pair of NFL guys. I didn't watch ever game, and punished my liver when I was stupid enough to watch, but I don't recall even seeing a fourth corner put into the games. Surely it happened, but it must have been awfully rare. What does that suggest to me about the guys like Covington, who many here seem to think will pop right in there and be fine? It means that they couldn't be trusted on the field. At least not as much as the walk-on.Tequilla said:The secondary looks like a mess to me … good news is that creates opportunity in recruiting and it’s a position you can start early
That's what's coming up at corner.
As for the safeties, I liked Bookie, but he's gone. I didn't see anybody else who wasn't a liability against either run or pass. Those hoping that it was just terrible scheme holding these guys back are setting themselves up for disappointment.
The front six has not proven to be able to cover every gap and stop the run, but I just don't see a secondary that's good enough to move out of base nickel on all but the most obvious run downs. Not enough strength/explosiveness at DT, not enough speed at LB, and a secondary without a single player who has demonstrated three-down reliability and upper tier playmaking.
I think the long snapper should make a huge leap and Henry is really good at getting touch backs. It's just all the other units that need a near total turnaround. Piece of cake. -
Win the North year 2
I was joking but it's a big task to shake off the lose that set in. If UW had gotten up at least a bit for the AC and not turned it into the ugliest loss since the Sark days I'd be a little less concerned. That was my last image of the team though.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not sure I agree. This limp dick team was already close to .500 as it was. Going 8-4 or worse is really fucking easy when you play in a conference like this. If you have a coach who isn't a raging retard then you're already 81% of the way there.chuck said:
A lot of things have to get a lot better or UW is a .500 team next year. Secondary play I'm coverage and run support both have to be huge concerns, along with ILB, OLB, and DL.1to392831weretaken said:
I've pointed this out as well, and I think it's a really underrated aspect of the challenge for next year. There are two corners off to the NFL. What was behind them? Mishael Powell, who I thought played pretty well for a young walk-on, but there's a big difference between that and a pair of NFL guys. I didn't watch ever game, and punished my liver when I was stupid enough to watch, but I don't recall even seeing a fourth corner put into the games. Surely it happened, but it must have been awfully rare. What does that suggest to me about the guys like Covington, who many here seem to think will pop right in there and be fine? It means that they couldn't be trusted on the field. At least not as much as the walk-on.Tequilla said:The secondary looks like a mess to me … good news is that creates opportunity in recruiting and it’s a position you can start early
That's what's coming up at corner.
As for the safeties, I liked Bookie, but he's gone. I didn't see anybody else who wasn't a liability against either run or pass. Those hoping that it was just terrible scheme holding these guys back are setting themselves up for disappointment.
The front six has not proven to be able to cover every gap and stop the run, but I just don't see a secondary that's good enough to move out of base nickel on all but the most obvious run downs. Not enough strength/explosiveness at DT, not enough speed at LB, and a secondary without a single player who has demonstrated three-down reliability and upper tier playmaking.
I think the long snapper should make a huge leap and Henry is really good at getting touch backs. It's just all the other units that need a near total turnaround. Piece of cake. -
Janet Reno/OtherSame as it ever was with a new HC: Win the conference by the third season. Anything less, cut bait, and start over.
