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$50 gas per week, only a 21 year payback with 0% discount rate. Where else can you get that kind of return?

WestlinnDuck said:

46XiJCAB said:

But now you can go get up to 300mi on a full charge. In CA they shut shut down to avoid wildfires. No charging. What say you Petey Boy

Provided it isn't raining and you have to use the heat and the wiper blades. Or it's hot and you don't use the A/C. Or it is flat with no hills. Or there isn't a traffic accident and you have a three hour delay.

This is absolutely nowhere close to reality. 1. The new batteries can get up to 500 miles. 2. What goes up must come down. When I go to Tahoe and charge for free (one of the only reasons I bought my model S) while I'm skiing, I use almost no energy coming down the mountain. 3. A/C use, heater etc. have almost no effect on the main battery. 4. Sitting idle, the battery won't drain much.

WestlinnDuck said:

RoadTrip said:

WestlinnDuck said:

46XiJCAB said:

But now you can go get up to 300mi on a full charge. In CA they shut shut down to avoid wildfires. No charging. What say you Petey Boy

Provided it isn't raining and you have to use the heat and the wiper blades. Or it's hot and you don't use the A/C. Or it is flat with no hills. Or there isn't a traffic accident and you have a three hour delay.

This is absolutely nowhere close to reality. 1. The new batteries can get up to 500 miles. 2. What goes up must come down. When I go to Tahoe and charge for free (one of the only reasons I bought my model S) while I'm skiing, I use almost no energy coming down the mountain. 3. A/C use, heater etc. have almost no effect on the main battery. 4. Sitting idle, the battery won't drain much.

I'm still not sure what "can get up to 500 miles" actually means with actual drivers not trying to set mileage records. I'd like to know what's the actual mileage with a standard driver. The only thing that I don't like about EVs are the massive tax subsidies and the "free" electricity and then toss in the renewable energy standards that will make ICEs artificially more expensive.

Oh I understand your concern and yes it's somewhat a real one with smaller batteries like mine. I drive like a maniac and probably much faster than 97% of this board so I'm a perfect example. My model S is 6 years old. I have 220,000 miles on it. When I first bought it, I could charge the battery to 290. A full charge today will get me almost 240 miles. If you drive like me and take a 100 mile drive, you'll use 150 - 160 miles. But if you drive like a responsible human should, you'll use 120-130 miles on that full charge. You only want to charge to 80/90% anyway to reduce degradation over time. Needless to say, I charge a lot but it's free to me so I'm driving this baby into the grave. In 3-4 years, I might buy a slightly used Plaid with say 30k on it and drive it the rest of my life. 200mph with a racing suspension that rivals Porche and does 0-60 in 2.8 seconds.